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Subject: Re: Women’s Ivy Madness Author: M3 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:17:34 03/17/25 Mon In reply to: M3 's message, "Re: Women’s Ivy Madness" on 15:23:10 03/16/25 Sun 3/7 Ivy teams in NCAA tourney Takes the sting out of being league champion and one year and not winning the tournament- so no bid (not directed at Columbia so hold your ire). What are the women doing right that the men aren't (1/7 seemingly forever). For the men win the tournament or else. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Women’s Ivy Madness Author: C89 (Ancient 8) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:02:20 03/17/25 Mon last i checked there were 8 IL BB teams [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Women’s Ivy Madness Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:44:19 03/17/25 Mon DOGE at work. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: It's Not Even Apples to Oranges Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:41:02 03/17/25 Mon M3, Whether there are 7 teams in the Ivy League or 8, there is no comparability at all between placing three teams into the NCAA women's tournament and only one team into the men's. It is often said that men's/boys' lacrosse and women's/girls' lacrosse are two completely different sports that happen to use the same ball. In terms of qualifying for their respective NCAA tournaments, men's and women's basketball are two completely different sports. And they don't even use the same ball. As you know, the women use a smaller, lighter ball to account for their smaller, DJT-sized hands. The Ivy League cannot realistically hope to be a two-bid conference on the men's side. Our self-imposed academic restrictions make that impossible. The women's field is much, MUCH weaker than the men's. In terms of on-the-court competitiveness, the NCAA women's tournament should really have a 32-team bracket. But for the sake of political correctness, the NCAA matched the men's size of 64. And then to add to the ridiculousness, when the men went to 68, the women went right along even though 64 was already too large. Don't compare the Ivies' three bids on the women's side to our sole Yale bid on the men's side. Apples to oranges. Or more aptly, it's like comparing apples to tomatoes. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: It's Not Even Apples to Oranges Author: M3 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:20:50 03/17/25 Mon "The Ivy League cannot realistically hope to be a two-bid conference on the men's side. Our self-imposed academic restrictions make that impossible." The women are subject to the same academic restrictions as the men There are 351 NCAA Division I (1A) women's basketball programs and 352 men's basketball programs. What else is going on $$$ ? as per joisey? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Women’s Ivy Madness Author: joiseyfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:03:49 03/17/25 Mon M3 — See my response to SD76 above. As it’s already the short version, I won’t repeat. [Applause of thousands of cheering extras.] I’d like to thank the Academy…… [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Continuation of the Lacrosse, Men's versus Women's Basketball Tournament Subthread Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:21:52 03/17/25 Mon Spuyten Duyvil76, I'm sorry that I missed your reply to my post immediately above about the difference between men's and women's lacrosse, compared to the difference between men's and women's basketball. My response to your reply is along the lines of what Joisey has already said (up the thread, after your reply) but I would go further. You have focused on the size of the court and the height of the basket in basketball. Sure, those are the same between the men and the women. I was not talking about the size and height of the basket. I was referring to the larger money and feeder ecosystems within which the NCAA tournaments exist. There are three enormous differences between men's and women's college basketball: (1) Money (as Joisey said) (2) The size and quality of the high school player pool, relative to the number of college athletic departments which sponsor women's basketball (3) The academic qualifications of the high school player pool, which affects the Ivy League in particular because of our self-imposed AI rules I've got to jump right now to take care of some work. I'll be back in a few hours, but you can extrapolate from my three points above. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Continuation of the Lacrosse, Men's versus Women's Basketball Tournament Subthread Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 (verily) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:00:55 03/18/25 Tue Thanks AO. You took the time to seek out my comment, which somehow got misaligned, as I intended to respond to your apples vs oranges comment. (How'd that happen?!) Yes, I was contending the lax games are fundamentally different, while basketball essentially the same for both genders. I can understand the view that the men's game is so much more developed such that competition levels that much higher, so that the academic requirement of the IL hinders the Ivy men's competitiveness. My contention is that within the universe of women's Basketball-which is all that there is-the Ivy women would appear to be more consistently competitive vs the men. At the moment at least, the women are doing better than the men within their respective spheres. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Continuation of the Lacrosse, Men's versus Women's Basketball Tournament Subthread Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:38:56 03/20/25 Thu But to An Observer's point, there are also cultural factors at play here, too. Given the fact that a potential pro career in women's basketball doesn't have the same lottery potential as the NBA, the fallback of an Ivy education is a much bigger carrot to talented women's basketball players who benefit from the Ivy finaid wars. Plus the redshirt/transfer portal/grad option is available for those who want it, see Kaitlyns Davis and Chen. There were 2 Ivies drafted by the WNBA last year (Hsu, Davis), and one more probably this year (Turner), if not 2 (Chen). While Miye Oni made a sort of history being drafted in 2019, the last NBA Ivy draftee before him was Jerome Allen in 1995. Without serious NIL, Ivy Men's Basketball will continue to fall backwards relative to the rest of NCAA Division 1. But then again, we are probably looking at 1980 all over again. Enjoy the NCAA D1 Tournament this year and next... when the CBS/Turner rights expire, don't be surprised if the next version of the college basketball postseason doesn't feature AQs from all "Division I" schools. Get ready for the "College Basketball Playoffs." It's coming. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]