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Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
Red Ivy
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Date Posted: 06:29:50 11/30/25 Sun
In reply to: Boola Boola 's message, "And you would be wrong..." on 15:14:35 11/29/25 Sat

Let me put it this way, Ivy League teams will never win an FCS championship until they start giving out athletic scholarships and financial incentives irregardless of parents income. Also will probably need to give some NIL money too. Ivies need to get into the 21st century if they want to win football titles.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
Boola Boola
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Date Posted: 07:59:21 11/30/25 Sun

Now it's switched from not competing, to winning the FCS championship? Ivy League schools aren't going to offer with athletic scholarships and financial incentives.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 18:39:20 11/30/25 Sun

Then the Ivy League will be Division 3 like the NESCAC. Great for those who love that cute stuff.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
Boola Boola
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Date Posted: 19:00:08 11/30/25 Sun

We've heard this song before, and no the Ivy League won't be Div 3 either.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 22:40:36 11/30/25 Sun

It's perilously close now. So many educated people don't believe in Darwin's theory. Evolve or die.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: evolution and the football analogy.


Author:
valmas (stoic)
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Date Posted: 23:05:44 11/30/25 Sun

i'll say the youngstown state environment certainly offered yale little choice but to evolve or die during the second half of play yesterday! and i'm so glad that our advocate, boola boola, now has one more game to look forward to - at montana state on december 6th. trust he'll enjoy it.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I will enjoy it


Author:
Boola Boola
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Date Posted: 08:34:43 12/01/25 Mon

win or lose. And we aren't "perilously close to Div 3" either. :)
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I will enjoy it. . . . A Word About Elite Universities and Sample Size


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 12:44:00 12/01/25 Mon

The 2025 Yale team showed us more in the last third of Saturday's game than a variety of better Ivy League champions over the last two decades.

As Boola said, next Saturday's game will be a treat, win or lose.

As far as the "evolve or die" dictum is concerned, I agree with this general premise. That is without a doubt how the world in general works. Darwin was correct. On the other hand, as I posted in another thread recently, always consider the longest and broadest perspective that makes sense.

"Ivy League" has connoted academic excellence and a ticket to a better life since the term was invented during the Depression. HYP have been valuable brand names since the early nineteenth century.

I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but these are durable brand names. Over the last two centuries, the only notable change in the pecking order is the ascendance of Stanford. How many other industries have such slow-moving supertanker dynamics?

No doubt the Ivies currently face a perilous challenges but, if we're going to go down now, it'll be because the federal government has declared war on us, not because our football co-champions fall way behind Villanova and Youngstown State in the first half of two playoff games.

Sample size. Don't forget it.

Two first halves do not a meaningful sample size constitute.

I've seen with my own two eyes Ivy League football champions in the last two decades that could have *won* the national FCS tournament with a fortuitous bounce or two of the pigskin. We'll be fine.

I predict that most of posters on this board will be around to enjoy an Ivy League co-champion make it to the Final Four of the FCS playoffs. Don't you worry about that, folks.

Personally, I hope to live long enough for one of the Ivy football programs to add at least one to the long list of national champions we claim. In contrast to parts of the existing list, this next one will be legitimate.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 21:30:14 12/01/25 Mon

The FCS title isn't a "National Championship"

It's a consolation prize. Ain't nobody can remember which team won last year's FCS title, except fans of the East Dakota State Jackhammers or whatever.

There are only 12 teams that are competing for the National College Football Championship this year.

HYP's brand advantage is eroding more quickly than people on this board care to imagine. The wannabe 5 are already falling behind other private schools. If you don't think Coach K and Jim Harbaugh helped boost the academic standing of Duke and Michigan by enticing Prep School A+ students to look beyond the Ivy League, you're kidding yourself.

This board is Ostrichville.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
Boola Boola
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Date Posted: 22:23:33 12/01/25 Mon

And still not going to Div 3 like it or not :)
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Harbaugh? Seriously?


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 05:59:22 12/02/25 Tue


First, he was at Stanford for five minutes.

Second, he did NOT entice Prep School A+ students to Stanford. His predecessors (including Teevens) tried to, but were not successful in putting a competitive team on the field.

Stanford fired the admissions director when Harbaugh was hired. The new admisssions director let Harbaugh have recruits that never would have gotten in for his predecessors.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
dplmont
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Date Posted: 03:07:06 12/01/25 Mon

What an archaic concept......go to college with a priority emphasis on getting a top education and playing football as an extracurricular activity.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 21:32:54 12/01/25 Mon

As long as football is considered an extracurricular activity, you're playing by D3 rules.

And nobody who has been around the campuses in the past 20 years can testify that the kids are getting the type of well-rounded liberal arts education that they used to get in the 80s, let alone the 50s, when the Ivies officially banded together.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
Questioning
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Date Posted: 14:13:37 12/02/25 Tue

What exactly are you angry about here?
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
observer
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Date Posted: 18:38:09 12/04/25 Thu

Hubris. Shortsightedness. Snobbery. Lost opportunities.

Lots of things.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And you would be wrong...


Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 19:24:09 12/04/25 Thu

“Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.”

St. Augustine


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