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Subject: Reply to Merv~

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 01:11:35 01/08/04 Thu

Hi Merv,

I think you misunderstood what I mean by open. I don't have Roy in mind when I say this. It is open for anyone to read that subscribes and anyone to reply. If a person doesn't want criticism or help for what they write, WHY are they writing? It is implied consent to a reply. Either people want honest replies, or they have wrong motive. Therefore, we all have not only the right, but a responsibility to reply with what the person honestly needs to hear, maybe even if not what they want to hear.

We don't have to "be Roy" to share tough love. I assure you, Roy isn't the first person I have met that knows how to give it. Surely you know others, too. If the boards are not for the betterment, and growth of people, then they are there for entertainment and socializing. We know better, we know what their intent is. I do agree with you that tough love is tough to discern in the written word, sometimes. Those that have a problem with this don't belong on forums that utilize the written word for serious discourse.

Subject: discussion board

Author:
Merv
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Date Posted: 00:34:01 01/08/04 Thu

"Merv: Yes. However Roy is on a radio program answering inqueries from listeners who are looking for help from him. The list members are not answering questions and they are not the authority that is dishing out "tough love". When you call Roy you know the possibilities if you have listened to him before. I don't think tough love works as well in writing."

Sunny: The boards are an open forum. I think everyone contributing knows they are, to have their ideas shared with others. If not, WHAT is their motive for putting their thoughts in the public arena?

Merv: That is the point. It is not an open forum. If it was an open forum, Roy would be championing free speech and animosity would not be an issue. He is not. He doesn't like some of what is being written on the board evidently and that is why he took the board down.

Merv: As far as tough love goes, we are not Roy. There are times for it, I agree, but I tend to be reluctant on a message board. It would be better in a live situation. This is like driving a car. People are more courageous when they are in a safe place. :)

Subject: discussion board

Author:
Merv
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Date Posted: 00:16:49 01/08/04 Thu

There are serious problem with having a disccusion group on the website. If the members pay money to be on the website, how can you ban them from using the discussion group? If you can't ban them or moderate what goes in, you can't control it at all.

***Al - The problem is borne out of worrying what paying members think. Of all places that I would least expect anyone to worry about what paying members think, it would be the FHU....I can attest to you that I have thrown boorish people out of my gas stations on several occasions for being drunk, rude, possibly violent towards another customer etc...any business needs new clients..but a business doesnt want *all* new business. You *can* moderate them..in fact good people LOVE good moderation. SO while i understand the point you are attempting. I do not agree that it is valid. I say give back the money..in fact Roy himself has given donation money back...that would not be anything new.***

Merv: That is fine. Roy might want to give back the money. Still he has a problem. The website has alienated a customer and lost a buck, and money matters. Roy is always looking for it because he needs it. I can't help but think like a business man. :) The person who pays $60 a year will think he has a right to post on the discussion board. That is probably why the chat room is now outside the pay area. They can kick you off without thinking about it.

When you ban a paying member or stop his posts from going in, you are going to create an enemy who wants his money back. That is fine but it is still a problem.

Roy wants to attract new people in order to get the information about the meditation out. There are people entering the website from all parts of the world now. If the main drift of the meditation is to give up anger and resentment, how does a board with angry people trying to bash one another over the head with the truth come in?

***Al - clear minded people see through everything...and what you are declaring could also be said of his radio program....he moderates it himself and with a call screener....so it can be done...basically it was left like this..hey you office folks just check in once in awhile. Imagine Roy's radio program being run like this....there are ten phone lines...everyone can talk at once and essentially say anything they want....what would happen? You have employees...you are a moderator of sorts..you have to provide direction for the greater good. You know it can be done***

Merv: If people wers so clear minded they would not be seeking help from Roy. Yes it can be done but it would take a lot of moderation on the pay board and that would cause problems as I said. You would have to step in every time you thought someone was being too aggressive or jumping to conclusions because if you let one person be too aggressive you have to let the other one respond in kind, and they would do that. When you moderate them they will not agree with you. They would say they were just making a point, standing up for principles, or correcting a wrong. Bad feelings would result from it. You may say the Foundation should not care, but it is still a business of sorts trying to make the customers happy to some degree, and there is no need to create problems when it is not necessary....especially problems that keep coming back. :)

Overall, it is a difficult situation for those who run the website. I can understand why Roy was hesitant to get into it and why he shut it down. He simply wants to get the word out to the world if possible and anything that does not further that goal and may work the other way is something to be concerned about. Without it he has one less problem.

***Al _ Agreed one less problem(self created)...but I would weigh that against the benefits that many experienced by knowing other meditators...I benefit by knowing you for instance..there is a confidence factor in knowing you are not alone......anyway I value your thoughts..I just do not see eye to eye with you on this. ***

Merv: Ok. We don't have to all agree. :) You can know other meditators off the web site board also. I am saying it makes problems for Roy that he has to deal with. If he thinks the value outweighs the problems, he should have it. If not, he may go another way or put the discussion board in the non pay area. That would solve some problems because you could throw off the offenders without being concerned about what they paid for, but it would not help the PR problems with the newcomers if the people tend to misbehave. Roy is trying to get the word out to the world....his words, not necessarily ours. :)

Merv: It all depends on what Roy wants for the board. What does he want?

Merv: It seems like a similar problem to the one Roy has always had regarding getting people together. He tried it some years ago but stopped after he found that they were forming groups with strong leaders and weak followers and the end result was not good as Roy saw it.

Merv: Roy could probably make a lot of money right now if he would give lectures designed to get singles together like Dennis Praeger does.....and maybe he should do that because I think there are many singles that would want it. He has always avoided it up to this point.

Subject: Reply to Merv's latest~

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 00:06:03 01/08/04 Thu

"Merv: Yes. However Roy is on a radio program answering inqueries from listeners who are looking for help from him. The list members are not answering questions and they are not the authority that is dishing out "tough love". When you call Roy you know the possibilities if you have listened to him before. I don't think tough love works as well in writing."

The boards are an open forum. I think everyone contributing knows they are, to have their ideas shared with others. If not, WHAT is their motive for putting their thoughts in the public arena?

List memebers CAN be an authority on something and we all CAN dish out tough love. We have as much right, and we should be willing to do so. However, I agree that it is much more difficult a task in writing, which brings us back to our the drawing board, so to speak.

I think every one of us rocks, for TRYING, in writing. Thanks for the dialogue, it is appreciated.

Subject: Martin Luther

Author:
Evan
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Date Posted: 23:17:36 01/07/04 Wed

Alo! Roy just mentioned Martin Luther and his nailing the 99 theses to the door of the Roman Cathedral on his radio station! Awesome! I think he was a bit misinformed, because Martin didn't exactly abolish the concept of verses and chapters, but Roy is right, he was the start in a righter as opposed to wronger direction, if you will.

He did teach faith and faith alone, however, it should be known that he could've been interpreted as meaning fruits do come from that faith if it is true. I just thought it was cool that he mentioned my man. I actually have a lot of respect and no respect at all for the fat guy who started the Reformation, but whatever.

I suggest to all of you this movie, Luther. Simple as that, watch it when it comes out or watch it in theatre, an excellent show of how the Catholic Church was back then, sort of sad actually.

Subject: Hey Merv, thanks for the thoughts

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 22:49:09 01/07/04 Wed

Subject: Discussion board

Author:
Merv
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Date Posted: 22:40:44 01/07/04 Wed

Sunny Wrote:

Written communication is also conducive, even victim of MISUNDERSTANDING/misinterpretation very often! Surely every reader can remember a time when they were told they were arrogant, judgemental, resentful or something that they absolutely, honestly 100% were not...at the time! I know I have, and this further brought my awareness to the fact that we write from our frame of mind and heart, and every individual reader reads it filtering it through their frame of mind at the moment. OY VEY..indeed! I have been accused of having emotions I DID NOT have, by some posters I respect and know are pretty savvy...so...

Merv: Yes. That is true....and this can cause anger which then starts to bounce back and forth. There is a tendency to misinterpret and accuse falsely on a message board depending on how hostile your mind set is in the first place.

Sunny:
proves to me that the written word is at the mercy of gross misunderstanding. I can't say it enough, that if Roy had never been on radio and we had never heard his voice, and he had started posting all of his strongest LOVE on his board, at various times each of us would have thought he sounded venomous, at least once, etc...surely you get my point.

Merv: Yes. However Roy is on a radio program answering inqueries from listeners who are looking for help from him. The list members are not answering questions and they are not the authority that is dishing out "tough love". When you call Roy you know the possibilities if you have listened to him before. I don't think tough love works as well in writing.

Subject: Chat Room
Author: Suzanne [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:57:53 01/07/04 Wed I have noticed that the Chat Room is still available at FHU.com for those who do not sign in through their subsciption.

Subject: Amen to Merv's entire post~

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 21:21:52 01/07/04 Wed

Communicating in writing is conducive to arguing. That is just the way it is. Words are thrown back and forth by people who are sitting safely behind their computers. An open discussion board will almost always have arguments and eventually someone will get hostile. It just happens. The website will have to deal with this somehow."

Written communication is also conducive, even victim of MISUNDERSTANDING/misinterpretation very often! Surely every reader can remember a time when they were told they were arrogant, judgemental, resentful or something that they absolutely, honestly 100% were not...at the time! I know I have, and this further brought my awareness to the fact that we write from our frame of mind and heart, and every individual reader reads it filtering it through their frame of mind at the moment. OY VEY..indeed! I have been accused of having emotions I DID NOT have, by some posters I respect and know are pretty savvy...so...

proves to me that the written word is at the mercy of gross misunderstanding. I can't say it enough, that if Roy had never been on radio and we had never heard his voice, and he had started posting all of his strongest LOVE on his board, at various times each of us would have thought he sounded venomous, at least once, etc...surely you get my point.

I also feel confident that if we all had voice chat and EVERY post had been us talking, even though we were still void of facial experssions, body language and seeing the eyes of the speaker which surely contribute a lot that the written word misses, we would NOT have had the problems the board had, for the most part.

The written word...a land mine at times, and at best...pitifully lacking. Just some things to keep in mind as we begin this endeavor at the new boards.

Subject: Discussion board

Author:
Merv
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Date Posted: 21:06:51 01/07/04 Wed

There are serious problem with having a disccusion group on the website. If the members pay money to be on the website, how can you ban them from using the discussion group? If you can't ban them or moderate what goes in, you can't control it at all.

When you ban a paying member or stop his posts from going in, you are going to create an enemy who wants his money back. That is fine but it is still a problem.

Roy wants to attract new people in order to get the information about the meditation out. There are people entering the website from all parts of the world now. If the main drift of the meditation is to give up anger and resentment, how does a board with angry people trying to bash one another over the head with the truth come in?

Also Roy would probably not want a mutual admiration society either, so what kind of discussion board would the Foundation really want or expect?

In addition there will be from time to time those who hate what Roy is offering to the world and will come in to the avenues of communication in order to hurt Roy.

Communicating in writing is conducive to arguing. That is just the way it is. Words are thrown back and forth by people who are sitting safely behind their computers. An open discussion board will almost always have arguments and eventually someone will get hostile. It just happens. The website will have to deal with this somehow.

Overall, it is a difficult situation for those who run the website. I can understand why Roy was hesitant to get into it and why he shut it down. He simply wants to get the word out to the world if possible and anything that does not further that goal and may work the other way is something to be concerned about. Without it he has one less problem.

Subject: the Board

Author:
Tim
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Date Posted: 12:33:41 01/07/04 Wed

I think Al is right about the board and Roy's comments were undeserved by the majority of the posters. It was a very good board for serious meditators and the detractors were what you might expect from people who just don't get it or don't care to get it. The board was valuable for meditators since there are so few of us, scattered here and there, we never get a chance to discuss things that are important to us as mediatators. I personally got a lot from it and hope this board grows to that level. I was on the FHU board when it was taken down, I had just viewed a post by Setfree which was just about pornographic. I was about to post a reply objecting to it, but all of a sudden I couldn't access the board at all. Because of the nature of the post I can understand why the plug was pulled, but the board should have come back after the post was removed. To just yank the plug as if we were all a bunch of bad children was a mistake on the part of FHU and I think Roy was ill advised by staff who probably only presented the bad stuff to him. There were some very worthy discussions and I think that should be aknowledged by the FHU as well.

Subject: Aha
Author: Evan Herberth [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:34:01 01/07/04 Wed Ok, I'll give you guys that, they did do it pretty brutally and abruptly. And then BAM, the Chat Secion disappears too... the nerve of it all.

Subject: RoyBot

Author:
Evan Herberth
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Date Posted: 11:32:10 01/07/04 Wed

Roybot, come now, don't be a Roybot. I don't think he's ever claimed to have been a shepherd, but rather the way to the way to the way. Or the way to the way, or maybe it was the way to the way to the way to the way to the way. Either WAY, I think you can simply appreciate that Al and fellow FHU members were so annexed that they were willing to fight to still have a pad to discuss at.

Subject: Dear JAB, I mean Just An Observation :)

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 11:04:46 01/07/04 Wed

Let us say that all you say about me us true for a moment. We then must still seperate my motives from the FHU's actions...Let us now examine what the FHU did...was it gracious? Was it a well directed and supervised forum? Was it not true that non-paying malcontents enjoyed ripping the forum up?

If you can say that these questions are answered in the affirmative then I believe you have a case against me.

you can say whatever you wish about me...the issue remains die the FHU fully understand what it meant to opearte a discussion baord and would they tolerate what they did there on the radio program? I think the answer is plain.

Subject:

Glad to see you

Author:
Rhonda
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Date Posted: 06:39:30 01/07/04 Wed

Hi Everyone!

So nice to see most of the regular posters have found their way here. I thought I might have lost touch with most of you since I only have a few of your e-mail addresses in my address book. Don't know much about what happened except for what a couple people have been kind enough to e-mail me about it. I hadn't been posting for the few days just before this happened so I missed the whole controversy.

Thank you Al for setting up this great message board. I agree with you that the FHU could have handled the dismantling of the board more graciously. I still don't understand why Roy had to dismantle the whole board. Why not just bar the offending party or parties from the board for a week or two or longer if need be. It's the way it was done without a word of explanation that is puzzling. We are some of Roy's most loyal supporters. It just seems like we deserve better than that.

I know Roy is always saying he doesn't want people to be caught up emotionally with him. That's all well and good but it seems like he could have at least given us the reason. He is the mentor to many of us and maybe we could have learned something from this if he had said specifically what caused him to make that move. Now all we can do is wonder about it.

Nice to see Jim here too. Looks like you are planning on bringing it back? That would be great. I hope you will also share with us more details about how or why this decision was made. Maybe we can learn something from all this, but not if nobody speaks to us about it.

Rhonda

Subject: Roy speak

Author:
RoybotX71
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Date Posted: 03:23:26 01/07/04 Wed

Has Roy lost credibility because of his seemingly "knee jerk" reaction of shutting down the fhu discussion boards?

Truth does not hide in the shadows. It sounds more like a political move on the part of Roy, than a disciplinary measure for the wayward meditators.

The shepard abandons his sheep in a moment of crisis, that is not even a crisis???

The truth comes out?

Please don't be mad at me because I search for truth...

Subject: PS

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 02:39:58 01/07/04 Wed

Hi Al, et al...

Just heard today's show online, and Roy's further, yet very short comments. He seemed to be talking more generically today, about the poisonous people all over the world wide web. Didn't sound like anything new here. He said he's talked with other website owners, if I understood who he was talking about, and repeated that there's just so many poisonous people out there.

He then mentioned he may bring it back, but with some safe guards. See, Al...what you allude to is correct. The FHU just threw this one out there without safeguards, or watching, for the most part. Poor webmaster did try, asking for people to watch and tell him about problems.

Goodnight, y'all~

Subject: FHU board of days gone by (g)

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 02:17:38 01/07/04 Wed

Hi Al,

You sure aren't in the wrong for speaking your mind, and I am sure your conscience has assured you of this. I applaud your being honest and open, not "going along to get along." I just remain a bit baffled by some of Roy's comments, when he himself may not have even read his own boards, but gone on what others have told him.

FILTH? Where was that, EVER, on the board? I didn't see any, but maybe I missed some thread. Venom? maybe...didn't see all threads, but I didn't call most of the blunt talk venom. In a world where most people smile and gossip behind peoples' backs, I found friend or foe of mine, both refreshing when talking BLUNTLY to my face, or others.

Roy has told us STRONGLY to get a bucket load of guts and speak up, all the while telling us that sure, we may do it in the wrong way at first, but it's better to have the guts and DO It, speak up, in confrontation, than to sit idly by, and be a coward, NOT speaking up. I therefore didn't see VENOM, personally. Maybe I missed what someone else calls venom, cuz I would be there several days in a row, then absent a couple or three days, always having my time off, more quiet time, and just being more busy with family, etc, as it should be.

I still stand by the fact that the written word is much harder to read than hearing someone speak. I insist that if Roy weren't who he is and we hadn't heard him SPEAK of so many things, and that if he came and posted his more blunt stuff that he says on radio and in person, on a forum, he would sound venomous at times, very possibly. Anyone would and I bet all of us did, or could have, at one time or another. I intentionally read many posts one day with an intentional bad tone, and read the same ones with a kinder, more cheerful, or intentionally read them as if the person was just being motherly, fatherly and loving and I insist that a person's written words, when being blunt and corrective, can sound BOTH WAYS.

I still feel that what Roy has SAID, is NOT the whole picture of why the board went down. For now, my best guess is that he just admited to himself that a board was a bad idea from the get-go. He himself knows he draws the best and worst to himself; the best for obvious reasons, and the worst for the venomous hate and reactions they have to the light.

Bottom line is that board was NOT so bad, not by anything I could ever see, and all it needed was a strict hand of saying that as the original mission said, we were there to discuss ROY's ideas and teachings, so erase the new age way out there goofball stuff, we were there to POST, so erase all artwork, cartoons and stuff that WASTED space, and ban anyone obviously stirring up discord.

Am I sad or bummed out the board is gone? Nah...this place will be better moderated and we all will get back to hashing out the issues, beyond the puzzle of why and how the board really went down.

Subject: Was Life So Bad Before The Board?

Author:
JustAnObservation
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Date Posted: 01:48:53 01/07/04 Wed

Al,

You sound like a little child who got his cookies taken away from him. Do you feel better now that you�ve vented your repressed anger?

My observation while on the list: You were a self-anointed moderator who spent way too much time on the list engaging in meaningless arguments.

Your little kingdom has been taken away from you.

Can you deal with that graciously?

Subject: No Pride and Others re: the FHU Board Demise

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 23:49:30 01/06/04 Tue

Hi, I just got through typing an email to someone who asked me about the mess with the FHU board..and now that I see your message, I think I will post some of these same thoughts here and then copy it into the discussion area via the link above. So hang on..I have some views :)

First, I must say that I have NOT heard Roy's own comments. But having said that, let me share what I see, because I consider myself smart enough, fair enough and aware enough to make some valid comments on this particular matter.

Given the resources allocated to the FHU Discussion Board BY THE FHU, and that is money and manpower and *rules*, I have ONE question.

"What did the FHU expect longterm?"

It is a public board. It DID have NON-PAYING particpants who knew of a 'back door in" tweaking people who were sincere. Problems were bound to happen. BUT was it all really that bad? The answer is no...the board was public....Roy above all people should have known what would happen...EVEN HE uses a call screener on his program to give the program some form of direction. Yes it is true he can handle troublemakers....well we did as well..but the call screener was needed....some direction was needed, because in the end no one on the board, even the very wisest could properly challenge the childishness. The FHU was asking people, wise people, common sense people to *handle* the irrational with hands tied. And in the end that was not a smart decision...the Webmaster had only so much at his disposal after the board was set up. Sound like an apology for him? It is...his hands were tied after the set up.

Listen, let me be clear. I love and respect beyond words what the message of the FHU is and more importantly I love its ties to the messages of truth and love carried in the Bible. Let me also say that I believe my life is of value SIMPLY because of the direction provided by the FHU and Mr Masters. Let me also say that I have become a HUGELY confident person over time and I am exteremly confident that in this case I owe it to the FHU, you all and myself to say that the FHU fell short on this matter. Are they terrible people? No, not at all. Collectively they are irreplaceable in my mind. Have I conveyed my respect properly about them? I believ the answer is a resounding YES. But on ths FHU board matter, they shortchanged the whole affair.

We are not a stupid group. That is why we so valued talking with each other on that FHU board. We longed to share things...so many of us had no one they knew who thought the things we think...there was a LOT of wonderful soulful discussion on that board....so what of the party poopers!!!...even the people that I had no respect for or the people who gave the baord a bad name were not a big deal in any way whatsoever..in fact the whole thing behind the FHU message was to show us how to properly deal with nonsense..how many of you really worried too much about the strange things they saw on the board when they went to sleep? Not I and I doubt mnany of you did either...again I ask..."What did the FHU expect?" It was an OPEN board mostly undirected ...silly, just plain silly and I owe it as I have said to speak my view. Even the people who got worked up about the baord and left, were only half right...yes they saw the nonsense accurately..but where they were wrong is that it literally and emnotionally bothered them..I mean get serious...it was just a discussion board...for some of them you would think that the world of Roy was ending...heck Roy himself has issues with his family..he doesnt leave..he makes the world a better place....those that left the board lacked stamina..(my view, tough cookies), The real Roy would have booted teh bad and kept the good.

I sincerely have reason to believe, and I want this said PUBLICLY, that the overseers in the office missed the boat on this. They can dispute it with me of course, but what did THEY expect!!!..they had people from all over including NON PAYING members..woudld they allow that on the radio program? Surely you know that that is a BIG NO...so why the judgement on the board? It is JUDGEMENT when you break it right down...and in fact, if any of you understand what the setting up for someone to fail means, then THIS is an example. I mean how disrespectful of paying members is it when you say that you expect everyone to be graceful and then you allow riff raff in to steal the board space? What did the FHU expect? I mean this is all pretty simple...and it is a very accurate assessment of what has transpired.

The FHU made a mistake. The FHU is wrong on this matter. I call for their personal introspection..not to bring the board back...I will live without it..but because they wronged decent people. They asked good people to put up with riff raff and then called it the fault of ALL the particpants.

Do I still love Roy and the FHU?...of course, but do I need to kow tow...nope..the FHU in a better moment has taught me better than to kowtow.

Yes, they asked good people to put up with riff raff and then called it the fault of ALL the particpants.

That is wrong.And for their sake they need to own up to it. If that makes me an unwelcome FHU donater, listener etc etc etc, then that tells me something else...but I will not regret what I have said.

Regards,

Al

Subject: reply to "no pride"

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 23:43:44 01/06/04 Tue

Hi there, and you are so right! The chat room can be logged into any time, and he may be found a nut, or two that logged in together precisely in the hopes of messing the place up.

I do not know if the chat room has always been accessible for anyone, without having to be a paid member, because I didn't pay attention to the chat room. I only notice now that the chat room is not only still up, after he said he had both taken down, but that it is only acessible before one logs in as a memeber.

I was very surprised one night when I stayed logged into the chatroom, in the past few days, and found, late at night for I am in the earliest time zone of most of us, that six or so names I had never seen before logged into chat in an hour's time. No telling who and what has come and gone in the room. I am glad you thought of that, for I hadn't.

Subject: My take on Roy's message about boards

Author:
nopride
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Date Posted: 23:02:37 01/06/04 Tue

I think Roy might have looked in one night at the
chat board and the message boards. He didn't distinguish
which had the "profane" language. But it's possible
he read something he didn't approve of at the chat
room. He was not specific on if the profanity was
at the "chat" or "message board". So it's possible
he looked in at the chat and saw something inappropriate
and checked the message boards and saw some of the
"bickering" in some of the posts.
In any case the lesson is "lets don't destroy this
message board".

Subject: FHU Tape 3130 and 3131
Author: Rick Hurst [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:45:03 01/06/04 Tue The tape with Roys comments about closing the board is on todays FHU home page. Ref. tape #3130 and #3131

Subject: Shared authority here

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 10:26:04 01/06/04 Tue

One thing I have known from the start is that this is NOT to be my board...I do not want it...it has to be a people's board...four people generously have offered help so I have given them the passwords..now I can be over ruled in an instant!!! :) Anyway, over time, i think it wise for others to jump in and others out as appropriate. Teh bottom line i sto share what we know, understand and love.

Subject: Email
Author: Al Fulchino [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 09:40:51 01/06/04 Tue I have a problem retrieving email from one acct..if anyone has tried to reach me, please use fulchinos@prodigy.net as a back up....sorry not trying to ignore anyone...it hopefully is a temp issue. - Al

Subject: Roy's comments today's radio show...

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 01:39:04 01/06/04 Tue

Well, just heard Roy's comments about why he took the board down. First off, he thinks he took the chat room down, too! I guess it will disppear any time, now. He said the boards had people cussing each other, venom & I forget what other term he used. Did he or his source view OLD threads,or what?! Hmmm....something doesn't compute, not quite. The timing of the room coming down, and some other things we know make me think there's some things being left UNsaid.

Subject: Thank you Mary T
Author: louise [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:19:40 01/05/04 Mon I posted and it didn't show up so this is a duplicate. Thank you Mary but I think Roy is right so I will decline in joining you guys here as I feel we may need time to reflect and I would not want to go against his better judgement. Thank you again Louise

Subject: Thank you Mary T
Author: louise [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:18:34 01/05/04 Mon I posted and it didn't show up so this is a duplicate. Thank you Mary but I think Roy is right so I will decline in joining you guys here as I feel we may need time to reflect and I would not want to go against his better judgement. Thankd you again Louise

Subject: Thanks for the invitation Mary/
Author: Louise [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:07:21 01/05/04 Mon Thanks you Mary for the invitation, but I think I will go along with Roy on this. Time to take inventory. Have fun. Who knows better than Roy. I feel like I would be going against his better judgement. Louise

Subject: Reminder
Author: Al Fulchino [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:03:44 01/05/04 Mon If you Click on the "LINK TO DISCUSSION TOPICS", you will find much more. I hope you all find this format usable. Several folks have offered their services as to help out and I greatly appreciate this. I believe that the body of the posters are very responsible and will make our time here enjoyable.

Subject: Oops...a post of mine from last night

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 16:24:23 01/05/04 Mon

Hi y'all! I said the Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve shows online are great. WELL..it is Dec. 29, not the 31st. that is also online and great. Roy started the show of the 29th. asking what date it was, and my mind did something goofy in my memory, thinking he had referred to the date cuz it was the last day of the year, and that isn't so.

I simply didn't want to leave my posted mistake a mistake, on here. The Christmas Eve show IS on there, and remains as wonderful as I suggested.

Hope you're having a great Monday.

Subject: WELL...grin...chat room still exists, I shall explain

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 04:02:08 01/05/04 Mon

I just discovered that the chatroom still exists! they just need to repair the page we first view when we log in as a subscriber. For some reason, once you log in and see yourself welcomed by name, and you look at the menu in the upper left corner of THAT page, there is no longer any chat room listing to log onto, as it is gone, along with the listing of discussion board.

Naturally I thought the chat room was taken down when, as a logged in person, it was gone, BUT...I just discovered that when you first go to fhu.com, and look at the menu without being logged in, it says chatroom in the menu, and I clicked and entered. Now I am a bit confused! Was the chatroom open to ANYone, non-subscribing members, before this? It is tonight, in fact, the only way to see chat room on a menu is to not be logged in. Hmmm..

I gotta get to bed, it is almost Monday here.

Subject: PS...to my last post, hope I don't give you a headache (G)

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 01:52:24 01/05/04 Mon

Roy's radio show comes on here in the islands during our dinner hour, 7-9 PM half the year, and I think, will have to check, at 8-10 PM the other, and I am always busy in kitchen, then cleaning up, grading homeschooling, or simply doing the most important thing, having family time before bed, etc. Point is, I miss his show often, and can only listen in the car if out and about, or online.

Please any of you that do get to listen more regularly, listen closely the next few days to see if he talks about having to take down the board and chat feature of his website. It would be like him to speak about it in blunt fashion. We might learn a lot more directly from him, and please post here about it, if you do. I sure appreciate this VERY much, if such does happen.

Goodnight, again~

Subject: FHU Chat room gone now, too~

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 01:47:45 01/05/04 Mon

Hey y'all, any of you that haven't checked in at FHU.com, just letting you know that the chat room is now gone, too! since I posted here & as I was posting, was logged into the chat room, you can check the time of my posts, and it is still Sunday night, I just went to see if any nightowls were in the chat room, and as I logged in and my name came up, I noticed there was/is no "discussion board" or "chat room" to click on in the list to the left of the main screen!

Sigh..thanks again for starting this place up and glad Jim is planning on doing so, as well as Merv has his email list. I suspect Roy said "enough!"

God bless and talk soon, I hope.

Subject: Jim - Thanks
Author: Al Fulchino [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:59:40 01/05/04 Mon Thanks for your efforts re the FHU website. And all the energy expended on behalf the FHU. - AL

Subject: Webmaster Jim here
Author: Jim [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:13:03 01/05/04 Mon Hi all... I want to let you know that I will start up a message board soon. I thought you all were awesome in your posts and the FHU discussion board was the best on the web! Stay tuned. And Happy 2004! May all your dreams come true this year.

Subject: Sunday night, more of the chat room....
Author: Sunny [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:53:29 01/04/04 Sun I feel like a kid right now, this is fun! I am still in the chat room, and a guy named Jim came in, saw me and this gal Goldie, and he left, or was disconnected before chatting, but see, even at this hour...it is almost nine PM PST...people are dropping in. This is great! Just had to share with y'all.

Subject: The chat room of FHU~

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 23:42:19 01/04/04 Sun

Hi you guys, thanks for the thoughtful replies, as they are appreciated a lot. Right now it is 8:38 PM PST, Sunday night, and I logged into the chat room but was the only one there, so I stayed logged in, and did a little shopping online, and waited to hear from our older daughter on AIM. Well, I am glad to report that the chat room does get traffic, so it seems, on a regular basis. I missed two people that came in, but when I didn't speak to them, they left. The first was a gal named Lisa, then the nickname Handyman.

Just wanted to say howdy to you all, sincere thanks, and to share that there sure are more people dropping into chat, then used the boards, it apears to me. It will be wonderful if we can meet most of them and invite them here.

Y'all have a wonderful week and I will look in when I can. This board seems it is going to be a blessing.

Subject: New Board
Author: trulytricia [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:59:15 01/04/04 Sun Hello everybody!! I'm so glad to have caught a break today. My thinking was.. Sunday, church day, but since I don't have one! I'll go look at the chat room maybe people have gathered there, sure enough! Looking forward to continued meaningful discussions. As for LGs crew they can stuff it!

Subject: Update

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 16:44:48 01/04/04 Sun

I have some news to share:

One - I will be writing up a statement that clearly states that this is NOT FHU sponsored.

Two - A Statement also need to be written that needs to accentuate that people here, although they may meditate and love Roy are not Roy. Roy is Roy, he is a one of a kind. We can only be who we are meant to be. And that they need to keep that fact in mind when discussing/conversing etc etc etc. Do not share personal information. Share wisdom. Use this as an added aspect to your life, not as a replacement.

3- The decision to shut the board down was that of Mr Masters, as I understand it, and not Jim's (the Webmaster) He wants you to know that he preferred that it continue on.

Al

Subject: Assistance request

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 12:07:24 01/04/04 Sun

It would be useful if you passed the word of the existence of this place to others. And it also would be useful if you visited the FHU chat board for the same purpose.

Anyone have Paul's email address? I have it somewhere but cannot find it.

It is up to us to show that we can handle this. There was a LOT of good discussion over at the FHU BB. Lots. We need to continue that here. As to the downside that occurred there..mark my words, it WILL occur here...anyone can come in and drop a bad word or two..but we will deal with it as swiftly as possible. Our goal needs to be the sharing of the common human understanding, with the backbone guiding principles being those promoted by the FHU and what a sincere meditative state of mind can bring.

Think about it folks....how else can we as meditators come together? In what other way can we stay in touch with others of like mind?

Subject: Topic Board
Author: Mary Teresa [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:55:07 01/04/04 Sun Al and Rick, The message board looks GREAT! I am awaiting an email now to let me know that I am registered. Happy, happy, joy, joy.

Subject: NoPride

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 11:38:49 01/04/04 Sun

You raised an interesting subject. But what you are concerned about is similar to what Sunny raised....we all see just what Roy said we will see...what is wrong with us...first. What a blessing! And what is wrong with us becomes clear through the soul's conflict.

As you and I grow we find more and more that we are incompatible with certain aspects of our lives. Change and full freedom is not necessarily coming overnite...but the tool and path is there, waiting to unfold as you see it become clear. It is my firm belief that any tugs that you feel are good to experience. I tell people that conflict is good..it is your friend...You will strengthen each day and know what path to take. You didnt say what branch of gov't you are in..but for example if you are an agressive tax collector..the conflict is obvious..the path that you might take is to wean your self away of maybe better yet find the proper way to be a tax collector...surely it IS possible. :)

Regards

Subject: Sunny, Rick

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 11:30:55 01/04/04 Sun

Hi Sunny, thanks for the tip on listening to that program. It sounds like time well spent. Also regarding your thoughts on *seeing* things yet maybe not always being a good ambassador of that. I wholeheartedly resonate w your words....You really touched on something profound. I, too have gone through and continue to go through such events. I believe wholeheartedly that we ALL do. It is because you yearn and love the truth that you are also pained by the inconsistency that you see in your life....but I have learned that we MUST go through that phase....being corrected from within, being changed from withing comes through a purifying process..and like eternity it is not a high speed event :) What you may not see, since you are so close to teh event, is that your words express humility. Something we all can appreciate. Thanks again.

******

Rick, well actually thanks to u for sharing the info so that I could expand the boards usefulness.

Subject: re

Author:
Rick Hurst
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Date Posted: 09:36:46 01/04/04 Sun

Al, Thanks for adding that link to an area where folks can discuss topics AND create topics to discuss.

Evan, Nice to see you here and hope to hear more from you soon. You bring a freshness that is sweet to behold.

Sunny, Glad you made it here too. Thank you for your utter honesty and for sharing that profound posting. You fed me much today, pardon the pun.

Subject: Roy's Dec. 24 show to hear online

Author:
Sunny
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Date Posted: 05:16:46 01/04/04 Sun

Wow, you guys! I just listened to part of the Christmas Eve show that can be downloaded from the site! FOOD...Roy speaks anew about it & I encourage everyone to listen to that show. I didn't even finish the hour show, but will do so, of course. I just had to share about it, it is wonderful.

He also fascinated me, once again, & for the umpteenth time, he gave me some validation for things I have suspectecd and wondered about. I have felt so unworthy to post many of my insights because I felt like a hypocrite at times, for I open my mouth, or most often I type online, and things flow and do NOT think I am bragging, PLEASE...but sometimes things flow so beautifully that I am amazed when I read my own words the next day. I know, I know...to some I must sound proud but PLEASE...give me the benefit of the doubt on this.

My point is that I often have written insights and thoughts of mine that were about things I have not mastered, about things that may seem no big deal, but that I can't yet DO...yet I understand them very well, and see so clearly on many things. I then have felt like I was a breathing contradiction that I share with others about them, when I am not yet DOING them. Well, this was the first time I have personally heard Roy say that he has written many things that he couldn't yet DO. He said it better than I am, now. What a relief it was to hear him say it, in context, and understand that I am not a hypocrite for seeing things, and sharing them when I have not succeeded in them yet.

Roy has apparently just recently, in the past month, solved his own personal salvation puzzle piece concerning food. That is how it sounds. He says he has lost about thirty pounds this past month, without trying to lose weight, of course, it sounds like he has finally become totally objective to his own appetites, and finally has seen how little food he needs, and can function, without. This is a big deal because Roy has never apologized for liking food, and for the way his family appreciates good food, etc. Roy has never been a food tyrant, either, and allowed his family their appetites and weaknesses in this area, so it sounds.

I just can't do his words justice about food. If any of you have not listened to the show that is available online now, DO SO! what a treat it is. I have listened to this man since around '77, and just tonight, on this one show, something clicked about food. Nope, I don't mean I will have overcome this LAST piece of my own salvation yet...it simply means I see more than I ever did before, about what food is and is not, and about how we utterly CANNOT control our own appetites, nor know or see how much we individually need. The food thing will be solved after just about, if not, EVERY resentment and subtle wrong feeling is dealt with properly, first. Anyone that truly isn't just about walking on water spiritually, and claims to not have a problem with food...is probably a smoker, or has some other vice, or is possibly dishonest.

I am talking too much, I think, and it is midnight here, I best get some sleep. I hope to hear from some of you soon, on this.

Subject: Answer

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 01:11:06 01/04/04 Sun

Under my plan..of NOT allowing anonymous postings, your IP address IS available to me as the admin..in case it needs to be blocked from this site..here I do not have your Email address..however what I suggest that you do is create a simple email acct such as on hotmail or yahoo for the Discussion area link..and that you use it for just this purpose. Like anything else it is caveat emptor in life..and you will have to be the one who determines what you will trust and what not to trust.

From a personal point and I am sure those that know me will agree..I have no interest in your email address or that of anyone elses...except of in the event abuse needs to be curbed. I hope this helps

Al

Subject: Easing into self sufficiency
Author: Nopride [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:09:49 01/04/04 Sun After meditating for about 9 years, like an onion many layers have been shed. But one thing which bothers me is what I perceive as inconsistencies in the way I live my life and the truth I perceive. One area which bothers me is working in "government" but realizing how evil it can be. Does anyone else work in enviornments antithical to their own views?

Subject: If you register with your email address is it private?
Author: nopride [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:01:14 01/04/04 Sun I want to register , but like to keep my email address private. Is that possible?

Subject: UPDATE

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 00:11:40 01/04/04 Sun

Thanks to Rick, I have been shown another site which I have just now linked with this one...see "LINK TO DISCUSSION TOPICS" above. You can now use this page, right here, as your home base for general postings and communications of a general nature. When you click on "LINK TO DISCUSSION TOPICS" you will be afforded the opportunity to generate new topcs and replies to those who you would like to discuss subjects with on a more tight knit basis. Once again thank you Rick Hurst for this added bonus.

Subject: Aha
Author: Evan Herberth [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:07:04 01/04/04 Sun Aha! So the top post is the last one. Well, I'm glad we're getting some people back, can't say I'm not slightly remourseful that Paul won't be here. So everyone do anything they can to fish him in, otherwise, we'll hope for that board's regeneration.

Subject: Very Nice
Author: Evan Herberth [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 00:02:45 01/04/04 Sun I'm late! Very nice place, and I'm very touched that all were up for staying in touch, many would have just let go. Nice board, and hopefully FHU will have one of their own soon. Until then, let's talk about talking, eh? Also, thanks to Al for making the board, and Mary for sending out the invitations :-).

Subject: Format
Author: Mary Teresa [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:34:09 01/03/04 Sat Oh, about the format, Al. It doesn't matter much to me, really. Playing it by ear and seeing what works best for the group sounds fine to me.

Subject: Passing It On

Author:
Mary Teresa
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Date Posted: 23:29:58 01/03/04 Sat

Yes, Rick. I passed the URL here along to Sunny and Evan (the only two I had other than you, Al, and Doreen) so we are getting a little list here, I guess, of who has been notified and who hasn't. What about Louise? Anyone know her address?...and trulytricia, and Rhonda...gosh! I'd love to see them back in the game, for sure.

As far as CA and her posting what she did, I don't think that it was intentional, either - just negligent - and I, too, hope that she will see what went wrong and why. There are some other things on my mind about the subject, but I do not feel that I should state all of my views unless CA is here to defend herself, so I will just leave it at that.

Well, I am off to bed now, but will be back tomorrow. I hope to see that others have visited when I return. :-)

G'night, all.

Subject: Mary

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 22:50:02 01/03/04 Sat

Yes i can reverse the index..one thing that may happen is that it means you have to watch the whole page load..as i told Rick in an email...this forum will NOT eliminate messages over time...so thsi page is going to get pretty long before it goes into archive(which is still also readable) so let me know folks what you like/prefer..also keep in mind that if the top post is dated today...you will keep seeing it FIRST before all others for months fyi :)

Subject: re

Author:
Rick Hurst
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Date Posted: 22:44:54 01/03/04 Sat

Hey MT, Good to see you here too. Have you passed on the good news to Sunny and others?

PS: You are right on about those postings potentially jeopardizing Roy's work and giving his enemies ammo to take shots at him. I don't believe it was intentional by any means, although I know for a fact that LG's crew have been down right gleeful at the apparent demise of the FHU board and have even "congratulated" CA for bringing it about, if true that her posting "innocent pictures" caused it. I sense she is in deep turmoil now because she did not intend this I'm sure and I pray that this will become the very thing that wakes her from her "new age" leanings.

Subject: I See Now

Author:
Mary Teresa
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Date Posted: 22:25:20 01/03/04 Sat

I see what I did wrong...I did not "approve" my post...LOL

Anyway, I had one small question for you, Al. (Lookin' good, by the way.) Is there any way to change your format so that the latest posts appear LAST as they did on the FHU Board? Just wondering...not a big deal, just makes for easier reading comprehension.

I'm just glad to have somewhere to camp out and toast my feet by the fire. Thanks again, Buddy!

P.S. Good to see you, Rick!

Subject: Hi, All
Author: Mary Teresa [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:19:08 01/03/04 Sat Hmmm...I just posted a second ago...wonder where it went? At any rate, yes, Rick...it IS good to settle down again. Thanks, Al, for taking the time to do this for us. Your efforts do not go unnoticed. As Sunny says, (G).

Subject: Home again
Author: Rick Hurst [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:16:02 01/03/04 Sat Hi Guys, Phew! so this is what being scattered is like. Well at least we are beginning to find each other again. Thank God.

Subject: Passwords

Author:
Al Fulchino
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Date Posted: 21:58:14 01/03/04 Sat

I will wait to install passwords until I see more folks here. But I do see it as a must.

One feature that I am working on is the ability to have multiple topics versus the one thread style. There is a pro and con to this. Having multiple topic ability does sepearte for ease of viewing..but it also seperates people from jumping in sometimes.

Rick Hurst has found a forum board that does allow for multiple topics as well..so time will show us the way we go _ AL

Subject: Hi Folks. I will take soem time in the next hr to dress this place up some
Author: Al Fulchino [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 21:01:40 01/03/04 Sat Please pass the word regarding the existence of this place. Also I will announce later on what security measures this place has so that we can keep it relatively pollution free. Regards, AL

Subject: What Happened?
Author: Mary Teresa [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:31:20 01/03/04 Sat P.S. So glad to see you here, Doreen!

Subject: What Happened?

Author:
Mary Teresa
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Date Posted: 18:28:47 01/03/04 Sat

Well, Doreen, although there had been inappropriate behavior on the FHU board before, no inappropriate IMAGES (as far as nudity is concerned) had been posted. This changes the ballgame, and rightly so. The pics posted were not even angels, but Greek Mythological figures (Cupid and Psyche)...not even Christian-based. Furthermore, the interpretation of these pictures could have been detremental to Roy's foundation (by Roy-haters), and no one has the right to jeopardize everything that Roy has worked his entire life to acheive.

More thought should have gone into the actions by the one who posted those images.

Subject: what happened?

Author:
Doreen
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Date Posted: 17:29:13 01/03/04 Sat

I heard about the board on Merv's board, they are saying the chat room is open and someone there told them it closed because of the angel pictures..they were not that great pictures, but there had been so much worse in the past, is there anything we don't know of why the board closed down? After all the new age stuff and being called as from Satan and demon possessed,and told I bring all my own problems on myself,due to not calling Roy, by some of the older meditators of 30 plus years standing, I think the pictures were mild in comparison to some of the rhetoric.

Subject: what happened?
Author: Doreen [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:24:02 01/03/04 Sat Ii heard about the board on Merv's board, they ae saying the caht room is ope and someone there told them it closed because of the angel pictures..they were not that great pictures, but there had ben so much worse in the past, is there anyhting we don't know of why the board closed down?

Subject: I will password protect this board
Author: Al Fulchino [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:42:19 01/03/04 Sat as soon as i have soem free time.... my emailaddress is fulchinos@charter.net if u have a need to reach me..

Subject: FHU Board
Author: Al Fulchino [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:41:08 01/03/04 Sat HI FHU listeners...this is a rudimentary board..and I will straighten it up for some better use...soon..I had planned on using this for another reason...excuse its current appearance....feel free to share this with other FHU listeners until the FHU comes back..if it does - Al

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