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Date Posted: 17:38:03 03/08/05 Tue
Author: Anonymous
Subject: On the Lord - another try
In reply to: Mike K. 's message, "On the Lord" on 03:54:05 03/08/05 Tue

>But please note that the Lord Jesus is not just a
>friend or Lord, but also omniscient creator and
>benevolent love incarnate.
>Where you say "No, that's what you want from me,
>but I don't want to do that", you'll always
>draw the short straw and will find that you should
>have taken the Lord's will in the end. Not only will
>your decision be more harmful for you than the Lord's
>will, it will also be costly and show you how alien
>you are actually from the Lord.

Okay, Mike, I see that the wording of my last posting may have been unclear. I would still characterize my relationship with Jesus as a friend-type relationship. Since I am not married and don't know what that's like, I'd say I'd maybe liken it to a relationship with a girlfriend. Now in such a relationship there is a central component of mutual self-interest. The same with my relationship with Christ. He has my best interests at heart and I - try to - have his best interest at heart. There are some things that I definitely know Jesus requires me to do. I try to make my best efforts to do these things. Then, are some things where I'm thinking, "God could be calling me to do this." And I come back to God and say, "I don't think I'm ready to do this now," or, "Yes this would do a lot of good, but it would put too much strain on my time." It is these types of issues that I'm talking about where I think it is okay to say, "Yeah Jesus I hear what you're saying, but I think of it a different way." And I think Jesus would be okay with this.

>And now we come back to husband and wife.
>Husbands are not omniscient. Neither are wives.
>But when the husband, (precondition), truly loving and
>caring for his wife, asks the wife to do/say/believe
>something, then the wife would be well advised to
>follow that, otherwise she has to give to her husband
>her reasons for not abiding in his will, and wait for
>the husband to make up his mind.

Mike, this sounds completely unreasonable. Take the above paragraph and switch "husband" for "wife." Does that sound reasonable? No. Why do you think it's reasonable when worded your way? You are saying that a wife has to submit to her husband like a dictator. If she disagrees with him, she has to give a reason? That does not sound like a humane relationship at all.

>Now, many people may wonder if a husband must
>always have the final word on a matter.
>I'd say: not openly, but when the final word is
>disagreement between wife and husband, then they have
>a communication problem.

Oh, no, Mike. "Communication problem." You're starting to sound like UBF!

>If a wife is more wise and intelligent than her
>husband, she better learn to make her musings clear to
>her husband, and if a wife isn't, then she would be
>well advised to listen to her husband anyways.

I think a truly loving husband would appreciate his wife for the person she is and not expect her to change or fit into his will in any way.

Regards,
Anonymous ex-UBFer

P.S. I think more dialogue has occurred between us this past week than has occurred between UBF and former UBF members in the past 40 years. Strange, isn't it?

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Replies:

Re: On the Lord - another try -- Mike K., 23:14:05 03/08/05 Tue
- Re: On the Lord - another try -- Anonymous, 17:02:15 03/11/05 Fri
  - Word games -- Mike K., 23:26:31 03/11/05 Fri
    - Satisfied with your response -- Anonymous, 09:36:13 03/12/05 Sat