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Date Posted: Wednesday, March 24, 10:17:45am
Author: Chani
Author Host/IP: 212-198-162-88.rev.numericable.fr / 212.198.162.88
Subject: Ping pong
In reply to:
Lij
's message, "Pandora's pithos" on Wednesday, March 24, 03:07:41am
The game goes on...
What struck me in the episode was the parallel between Ricardo and Sayid. Isabella is the first avatar of Nadia.
Jacob pretended to drown Ricardo until he admitted that he wanted to live. The temple people tried to drown Sayid to save him.
The MiB even used exactly the same words as Dogen did when sending Sayid to kill No!Locke as if MiB and Jacob has been role playing all the time, sometimes switching their part but using the same scenario and dialogues over and over.
Jacob blames the MiB for his manipulative words but Jacob does manipulate people's threads of destiny too, and the MiB points out how persuasive Jacob is.
Jacob says he can't absolve Ricardo's sins just like the "Father" told him in jail before thinking he coud use his language skills (new parallel/counterpoint with Jin this time btw) and eventually Jacob offered him a job just like Whitfield did. Ricardo became his prophet, his spokesman.
Hugo played the interpreter too, since he can hear ghost speak!
Ricardo was like a ping pong ball, bouncing from an island to another, from a reluctant physician to a priest, from Captain Marcus Hanson's crew to Jacob's team.
Of all the metaphorical games we've got on the show, ping-pong might be the one that suits the writing best.
Some of our characters have been bouncing through time too.
Watching Lost is a ping-pong experience as well for the viewers; we have been tosseda round, from the island-verse to the flashbacks; from the flashforwards to the island-verse; from the island-verse to the alt-verse, back and forth, from side to side.
It's all about pitching and tossing...we aren't on the island but on a ship!
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Ok.... but..... -- Lij, Wednesday, March 24, 09:00:37pm [1] (ca-02.cinergycom.net/216.135.2.29)
If releasing the MiB means the world goes to hell; then why hasn't that happened in the Alt!Verse? Or maybe it will? Maybe we're being set up for so many happy endings in the Alt!Verse for Jack, Hugo, Claire, Kate, James, Jin & Sun, Ben, Locke, and many others, and then..... their world goes to hell. But the Islandverse is saved?
Ping-Pong? Yin-Yang? Good-Evil? Truth-Lie?
Probably too simplistic an answer.
I'm just enjoying it.
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Re: Ok.... but..... -- Chani, Thursday, March 25, 05:41:49am [1] (212-198-162-88.rev.numericable.fr/212.198.162.88)
Because you buy Jacob's words? I don't.
This about the characters' journey not about the fate of the world.
Anyway I don't wait for an explanation, I'm just enjoying the writing.
Have you thought that Richard might just be a representation of the viewers, trusting the show's god, J JACOB Abrams, waiting over and over as the seasons pass by, being kept in the dark most of the time, without getting any real explanations but keeping faith that there must be a reason for this to happen?
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Well..... -- Lij, Thursday, March 25, 07:10:18pm [1] (ca-02.cinergycom.net/216.135.2.29)
Yeah, I buy Jacob's word - why not? Hugo buys his word (even in his death). Dogen did. Richard did and yet may, based in his absolution for his sins, the end of his penance provided by his wife by Hugo.
What you seem to forget is that Jacob told Richard what it was all about, keeping the MiB - that is all malevolence and evil - bottled up on the Island. What set Richard off was that everything he had set to do in his life - everything which he considered his penance - became supposedly worthless with Jacobs death. Jacob simply stood his ground and let Ben kill him, saying that Ben did not have to do it. It was a loss for Richard which took away the meaning his limitless life had taken on. Only Isabella's absolution through Hugo could bring him around to realize that he had a greater role to play.
I think Richard will find his release from his allegiance to Jacob by tranferring his extended life to whoever of the candidates replace Jacob. But there may be other replacements to occur, such as Dogen, and possibly others. We may find that several of the candidates end up on the Island. It is their journey into those roles that I look forward to.
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