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Date Posted: 18:35:52 02/08/06 Wed
Author: amadaun
Subject: kev, where are you?
Kev would be interested in a little something I just found on a website. The managing director of the company that published the cartoons that are offensive to Muslims [and have been causing a big stir on the news]is the wife of a Bilderberger! The burning of Danish flags, riots etc after the publication of the cartoons, is apparently planned by the US, and aims to “provoke a row between Europe and the Islamic world”.
"It will all end with European countries thanking the United States and paying, and giving soldiers" according to Zhirinovsky [Russian Liberal Democrats leader]
The site also claims that the Bilderbergers have set the date for the US invasion of Iran as March.
We'll have to wait and see! Meanwhile, those who want to dodge the draft should start making plans.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- 23, 09:07:17 02/09/06 Thu [1]
Here are the actual cartoons in question:
http://weblog.theviewfromthecore.com/2006_02/ind_005226.html
I really can't even begin to comprehend how this got people into such a tizzy. Get over yourselves, morons.
And I'm not sure what's up with Kev, either. I sent him an email a couple weeks back (telling him about this place) and never heard back from him.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- amadaun, 17:42:47 02/09/06 Thu [1]
Heres a little something to stir up more indignation.
Why don't Iraqui's have Driver ED and Sex ED on the same day?
The camels can't handle it.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- amadaun, 18:58:36 02/11/06 Sat [1]
Back to being serious for a mo, don't you all think that all the reports of Iran's elections being rigged, and now the nuclear weapons scenario, [sound vaguely familiar?]is just to soften you up for the inevitable invasion of Iran? They have to justify what they are going to do, and all this stuff on the news is to prepare you mentally for yet another war.
Get everyone used to the idea that Iran are 'baddies' too, and then you won't be surprised when the US has to intervene for the good of democracy, the inhabitants of the country, and of course to protect the world.
If the old forum was here, I would have brought up the thread I started before Xmas on this.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- tg, 12:09:36 02/12/06 Sun [1]
Bloody Hell! I guess we will be dealing with Iran with softer kid gloves. I'm sick of it.
This is the reason woman should rule the world, we don't drop bombs on our kids.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- tg, 14:29:49 02/12/06 Sun [1]
Iran stresses commitment to NPT a day after Ahmadinejad threatens policy change NASSER KARIMI
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran reaffirmed its commitment to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty on Sunday, a day after its hardline president implied Tehran was considering withdrawing from the pact after being reported to the UN Security Council.
The declaration by the Iranian Foreign Ministry came as inspectors from the UN nuclear watchdog arrived in the Islamic republic over the weekend to evaluate what controls remained on nuclear sites and equipment after Tehran reduced the agency's monitoring power to a minimum, diplomats said.
A diplomat told The Associated Press Saturday that some seals and cameras had been removed within the last few days, suggesting that happened without IAEA supervision. But others familiar with the probe said Sunday they doubted the Iranians would make such a move before the arrival of the inspectors.
The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak on the issue.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi urged a peaceful solution to the dispute over his country's nuclear program.
"We are still committed to the provisions of the NPT. But we can't accept its use as a (political) instrument. We will co-operate in the treaty and the safeguards' framework," Asefi said at a weekly news conference.
On Saturday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad rejected U.S. and European pressure to freeze the country's nuclear program and hinted that Iran might withdraw from the treaty.
"The nuclear policy of the Islamic Republic so far has been peaceful. Until now, we have worked inside the agency (IAEA) and the NPT regulations," he said in a speech before tens of thousands of Iranians marking the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution.
"If we see you want to violate the right of the Iranian people by using those regulations (against us), you should know that the Iranian people will revise its policies," he said.
He did not specify what changes Tehran envisioned, but it was believed to be a threat to withdraw from the NPT and the IAEA.
Tehran repeatedly has stressed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty allows it to pursue a nuclear program for peaceful purposes and it has said it will never give up the right to enrich uranium to produce nuclear fuel.
The U.S. and its European allies believe Iran is seeking to develop atomic weapons. The IAEA reported Tehran to the Security Council, which has the power to impose sanctions, earlier this month after talks failed between the Iranians and European negotiators.
Uranium enriched to a low degree can be used for nuclear reactors, while highly enriched uranium is suitable for warheads.
The foreign ministry spokesman urged the IAEA and Europeans to keep open diplomatic channels.
"The agency and other parties should not block roads to Islamic Republic of Iran and should solve the case in the framework of the regulations," Asefi said.
He rejected comments by British Foreign Minister Jack Straw, who said last week that there was no proof but "very high level of suspicion" that Iran was trying to build a nuclear weapon.
"How do you apply a policy of non-trust toward Iran when there is no proof that Iran is trying to divert its nuclear program toward a weapon?" Asefi asked.
Tensions escalated last month after Iran removed UN seals and began nuclear research, including small-scale uranium enrichment at its plant in Natanz, central Iran.
In Vienna, Austria, diplomats told AP that the IAEA still has some seals and equipment at Natanz and Isfahan, where Iran is converting raw uranium into the feedstock gas for enrichment. The seals and cameras were allowed under basic agreements linked to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, which Iran has signed.
Still, with those agreements only meant to monitor Iran's declared and existing nuclear stocks, they are considered inadequate in the agency's ongoing efforts to establish whether the country has tried to develop a nuclear weapons program at undeclared facilities.
Tehran had asked for a removal of all surveillance and monitoring equipment linked that went beyond its basic obligations as a signatory of the NPT in a letter a week ago to IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei.
Iranian officials had repeatedly warned they would stop honouring the so-called "Additional Protocol" to the treaty - which gave the agency the power to conduct inspections on short notice of suspect areas and programs - if the IAEA board referred their country to the council.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- amadaun, 17:49:10 02/12/06 Sun [1]
Hi TG, I'm glad someone is interested in this thread. Thanks for the article you posted. It shows how they are flogging the nuclear scenario, hoping to convince the American public and the world in general, I suppose, of the 'dangers' of Iran. This snippet I found today, points out just how stupid a war against Iran and the Shi'ites would be.
Americans have fallen for a lot, as the invasion of Iraq testifies, and Fox "news" is there to whip up the hysteria against Iran just as it did against Iraq. Polls show that 40% of Americans are blindly wrapped in the flag and believe anything President Bush says – despite all evidence to the contrary.
Perhaps it will take war with Iran to topple the neocons who have destroyed American credibility throughout the world. Iran is a Shi’ite nation. War with Iran would alienate the Iraqi Shi’ites, who are 60% of the Iraqi population. So far, most Iraqi Shi’ites have tolerated our presence, because of their hatred of Saddam Hussein. If Bush starts a war with Iran, he will start a war with 15 million Iraqi Shi’ites, and the fate of our "occupying force" will be sealed.
Read more at addy below-
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts59.html
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Re: kev, where are you? -- noslave, 06:38:38 02/13/06 Mon [1]
I think invading Iran would be more justified than invading Iraq was.
I believe they do want nuclear weapons and just don't understand how Western minds work - they seem to think he who bluffs biggest wins, and would be surprised as fuck if we actually called their bluff.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- amadaun, 18:35:53 02/13/06 Mon [1]
Hi Noslave, good to hear from you again.
Do you think that invasion of Iran is more justified than Iraq, because of the nuclear weapons scenario?
I just don't get it, when oodles of other countries have nuclear weapons, but don't get invaded solely for this reason.
Hell,America has nuclear weapons, maybe someone should invade them and take their toys away.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- 23, 13:44:37 02/14/06 Tue [1]
I have a hard time believing that even Bush would be dumb enough to start another war right now. Doesn't mean it won't happen, just seems like a bit of a stretch, to me.
Just for the record - there is no such this as a justifiable pre-emptive war, in my opinion.
Also, it's obviously a total bluff on Iran's part to be taken seriously. No country in its right mind would really want to fire a nuclear weapon at the US. They would be wiped off the face of the earth in minutes flat. And they know this, if they have a brain in their head.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- noslave, 10:56:47 02/15/06 Wed [1]
The US has nuclear weapons and has seen how dreadful they are. They have worked to reduce the numbers of nuclear weapons in the world and continue to do so.
I trust the US not to use them again.
I don't trust Iran not to use them.
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Re: kev, where are you? -- amadaun, 17:51:23 02/15/06 Wed [1]
Noslave, are you pulling my chain, or what?
If the US is not intending to use any nuclear weapons, why do they have such a huge pile of them?
And they only work to reduce the nuclear weapons held by other countries, not themselves.
The US obligations under the nuclear non proliferation treaty are voluntary. For everyone else, it is mandatory.
In fact Bush's representatives to the NPT have deliberately frustrated attempts to reach an agreement on what needs to be done.
Hypocritically, whilst telling all the other countries they should not have nuclear weapons, they are developing a new kind of nuclear bomb,- for blowing up bunkers!!
The logic behind this appears to be, "let's develop a special bomb, so we can blow up hidden stashes of other folks bombs."
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