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Date Posted: 20:44:27 06/24/12 Sun
Author: Alfred Whiteside
Subject: Observation of 5.80 Class
Observation of 5.80 Field
Hello,
I have raced quick 8, 16, and 32 field competition series for the last thirty years and I have never witnessed what happened Saturday June 23rd at The Hill!
It appeared that there was a competitor who sat out all qualifying and then just before eliminations; he told the ones in charge that he could run a certain number and was then placed at the end of the field. The guy in the Nova that won the 5.80 class played the field and played his cards on everyone in the class.
The word at the track was that he didn’t run the qualifiers because he didn’t have enough nitrous to do qualifying and also race. If a racer goes to race, they should have everything they need to complete the race process.
Even if he/she shows up just before eliminations; he/she should have not been allowed to race without making a qualifying pass. This is what should have happened Saturday if having a full eight car field is what was trying to be accomplished. Any show has to have qualifying to establish a ladder, a racer can’t just state what they run and be placed anywhere.
It is not fair to anyone that has made there qualifying runs to be dishonored for their efforts of trying to make the best time qualifying. Rules and regulations are predetermined for a reason and everyone should have to abide by the rules. This ensures that all racers involved will have a fair chance.
Alfred Whiteside
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- md, 05:24:04 06/25/12 Mon [1]
You are so right!!!!
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- CRAZYHORSE, 15:37:16 06/25/12 Mon [1]
AGREE
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- Spectator, 18:47:30 06/25/12 Mon [1]
If he was placed at the bottom of the ladder and he made an 8 car field for a full payout then where's the problem? What spectator wants to see a car in competition make a bye run. Sounds like the guy was economical and smart. I give him credit for knowing his car and doing his job on the tree. Now if he was using an electronic device such as a throttle stop well then that's a whole different issue.
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- AlfredWhiteside, 20:10:15 06/25/12 Mon [1]
It’s evident that the persons making the statements in defense of the racer in question; knows nothing about an organized race show. Sure the fans like side by side action, but the rules say you have to qualify. Now if this racer had truly cared about the fans, he would have made a qualified run just like everyone else. Any true fan of drag racing enjoys the show much more when the rules are followed. But as it was shown this particular racer had a plan and it worked. It amazes me that people can have such a misunderstanding of the sport that they would defend un-sportsman like conduct. It just shows that they have no clue how a race should be run. It has nothing to do with the mechanics of the car or the racer knowing his car. The problem is that he did not make an attempt to qualify; therefore not following the rules! That is where I’m saying he played the field. There again I have to say….some of the responsibility lies on the organizer. It makes you wonder how experienced these racers are, and also the ones defending him. I guarantee you that a racer could not go to any other qualified show and get in the show without qualifying. SIDE
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- MD ("Boo Hoo"), 20:42:33 06/25/12 Mon [1]
Outlaw Racing.....Run what you brung... Hope you brung a NUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- Brandon Allen, 17:55:28 06/26/12 Tue [1]
If it is outlaw and run what you brung, why does the other guy a couple of posts up say that there is a problem with running a throttle stop...that mean you can bring too much?
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- Race Fan, 19:26:43 06/25/12 Mon [1]
My question is how can you say that he played the field?
If there is a 5.80 cap,how can you say he dishonored the other competitors if he never broke out! Also, the track officials gave the spectators a better show by having a full field.
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He had to earn it.This car has absolutly no electronics.Came to test and helped make an 8 car field. -- fact, 20:08:59 06/25/12 Mon [1]
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Observation of 5.80 Class -- Alfred Whiteside, 22:42:55 06/25/12 Mon [1]
Here is some of the contents of a personal email that was sent to me concerning this subject. Sender is Summer. Thought it would shed a light on this conversation:
"I saw your post on the prairie hill board today so thought I would take a minute to drop you a line.
Paul took his car to test it. He did not even know there was a 5.80 class going on. He also did not know they didn't have nitrous either. He hasn't had his car out very much at all. Just got it fixed last week. The track came to him and asked him to run in the race because it would give them a full 8 car field. He was low on nitrous and told them that. He told them if they wanted him to qualify he would. But, they told him he didn't have to.
He ended up by chance winning the class race. He had to earn it for sure. He has no bracket aids on his car. He also had no idea what his car was going to do. He had a good time just racing for once.Just thought I would let you know what was going on.
The track talked him into it."
This was my response in return:
I have no reason to doubt what you say. However, that being said, Paul should have inquired about the other racers agreeing to him running without qualifying.
As for him earning it...I don't agree...He was given a freebee chance and made it. Earning it would have included qualifying for his spot.
I feel strongly that we who know the rules of the game should stand up for the integrity of the show. Otherwise it will in time become a show that is weak and stands for no certain rules or rights for the racers.
SIDE
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- RACE FAN, 07:58:46 06/26/12 Tue [1]
WOULD IT HAVE MATTERED IF HE LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND.
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- alfred whiteside, 08:37:58 06/26/12 Tue [1]
To the person asking if it would have mattered if had gone out first round the answer is is no. Everything I've posted would be the same.SIDE
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- ollie, 10:06:47 06/26/12 Tue [1]
side has a point anyother sanctioning body topma tao adrl etc outlaw or not u have to make a qualifying pass to be on the ladder otherwise its pretty much a no show its not brackets where u get there and u draw out of a hat. in my opinion a one time thing is ok for now but in the future should have to at least make an attempt weather or not its on the bottle or not its still a time
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- Race Fan, 10:30:09 06/26/12 Tue [1]
So are you saying the track is at fault or the driver??
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- bystander, 10:16:41 06/27/12 Wed [1]
As long as you are agreeing on the rules, one of the rules are that once you enter the burnout you are commited to pay the entry even if you can't run the number. Therefore you need to find who won on the nights yall did this and pay them the entry fee. :)
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- 
Racer_Jeff, 11:49:28 06/26/12 Tue [1]
I would like to respond to this line of posts started by Alfred Whiteside. First let me say that our group(Outlaw 580) is an All Run field. Qualifying only gets you a spot on the ladder based on your performance. We have allowed other racers in the past to enter the field without qualifying. We do this to try to work with everyone that may be having problems or getting to the track late. We let Chris run without qualifying 2 races ago and we offered to let Wilmer to run with us 3 races ago when he arrived at the track after qualifying had been completed. So, the precedent had been set prior to Paul even coming to the track.
Secondly, I take full responsibility for allowing Paul to race with us. He explained his situation and I approved his decision to not make a qualifying pass. I do not feel that he "played" us...rather he ran his car much better than all the other racers, except Rick Russell. All of the regular 580 racers were not on their game this past Saturday and deserved to get beat....me included. When the best qualifying pass was a 5.87 in a 5.80 race....well that is simply put poor performance.
Third and final response.....I think the way this issue was handled was in poor judgement. I was at the track and could have been spoken to in person. I am open to any ideas and any constructive criticism. There is a right way to handle every issue...and there is a chicken shit way to handle them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion...but let's be gentlemen(and ladies) about it and just race and have fun.
If further conversation with me is needed please see me at the track on most Saturdays.
Sincerely, Jeff Denton
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- alfred whiteside, 12:31:22 06/26/12 Tue [1]
Well now we know who is responsible, but regardless that's not how to run a show, there was nothing chicken shit about my post. Just stating facts. And I can talk to you at the track. Side
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So now that it is said and done...... I can tell you Paul had a great time running with the group. -- Summer, 12:53:47 06/26/12 Tue [1]
I have ran organized groups for several years and I will do what it takes to improve the group and make it better for the fans. Even if he qualified low on the ladder he still had to run the fast guy. It's an index! Can't run a game on an index his chances of breaking out are the same as anyone else. And with the track conditions can't say you will be a 5.800 . It's great that he agreed to run with the class WIN or LOSE. He was just having fun and got to go rounds.
Also, all this makes the class sound like a lot of fun now and if I had a dog in the hunt I would run it too.
Side: hope to see you back out sometime with yours!
Sincerely
Summer
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- Snowman069, 16:00:29 07/01/12 Sun [1]
Not much I can add to what's already been said, but.... Paul is a very good friend of mine. He came by my shop on his way to Prairie Hill, the first time that he had ever been down there, to see if I might have any nitrous because he was low, and I didn't. He had one partial pass on that motor and had no idea what it would run. Seems to me that he was at a severe disadvantage to begin with. If he had have run a qualifying pass the worst he could have done would have been in the 8th position, which is where they put him anyway. Just funny , to me, that anyone would have a complaint about him running. I'm pretty damn proud of him. Just sorry that I wasn't there. Maybe next time. See ya at the races !!!
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- Monzter, 21:29:55 07/01/12 Sun [1]
I was glade he entered and we ran in the final last week..and he came back again this week...I meet him, nice guy... welcome to our PH Outlaw 5.80 group... the more the marrier I say! Lets Race!
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Re: Observation of 5.80 Class -- Ragamuffin, 09:52:27 07/03/12 Tue [1]
If he had qualified the worst he could have done is 8th and that's where they put him.
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