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Subject: Re: help me with my daughter


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James to Lola66
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Date Posted: 05:57:58 05/19/26 Tue
In reply to: Lola66 's message, "Re: help me with my daughter" on 04:57:31 05/19/26 Tue

So, I really don't love having these sorts of critical conversations in the open, but whatever.

"...but I have absolutely no intention of doing so. I love my daughter too much. I even argued with my mother-in-law over this. What I can't explain is this arrogant attitude she has towards everyone."

"...the problem will be trying to convince the girl and especially her father who tells me that I shouldn't worry and always defends her even when she makes a mess and then I'm seen as the bad guy on duty."

A few major issues here.

1) Spanking, which is a controlled thing with hugs after, is not hitting in anger. So you know.

2) You've already decided you love your daughter so much that you will only do certain things, which aren't working. That's parental avoidance. Not saying you have to spank her, but you're already decided even if your methods have been failing, which is bad.

3) Seems pretty simple. The girl knows she can play you and your husband like a fiddle it seems. That's the thing to fix - your relationship with him. Talking to a Doctor won't help that.

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Lola66
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Date Posted: 13:44:06 05/19/26 Tue

So what the hell am I supposed to do? Today my husband came back from work and as soon as my daughter saw him she immediately ran to hug him. I'm considered the bad guy because I took her phone away and after two hours at home he went into our room where I had confiscated my daughter's smartphone and I gave it back to him. I then spoke to my husband and told him that it wasn't fair because she wouldn't learn anything like that. My mother-in-law was also at home and she agreed with me, but my husband replied that she was just a child and that the mess she had made was just a prank and that she wouldn't do it again. So I went back to my daughter and confiscated her smartphone again and she went into a rage, telling me that I was a horrible person and that her dad had given it back to her. At the end my husband intervened and she calmed down. I talk to my daughter and told him that when I scold her it's for her own good, but unfortunately I've never been a strict mother. I don't know how to behave anymore, my mother-in-law tells me to spank her, my husband defends her and in the middle I don't know how to behave, the little girl is intelligent, you're right, she's using her father as a shield, even my mother-in-law told me that the little girl is manipulating us. You say that spanking is not violence, but try explaining that to a little girl that you want to warm her bottom by slapping her, and especially to my husband who for him is his princess. The only solution would be to try to form a common front with my mother-in-law and make my husband understand that by indulging the child's every request he is making a huge mistake, and even if we succeed, how on earth am I going to give her a spanking? I have never done anything like that and imagine if my husband helps me. And if the little girl then tries to run away when I tell her, I don't think she will remain helpless to let me spank her. From what I read here they make it easy, but I don't think it's that simple, especially for someone who has never done it. And if she screams and then how on earth do I hold her still? It's a huge mess, and then I also thought she might hate me. I don't know, I have no direct experience. As a child I was always good, I was never spanked. What I know is that if we don't manage to make her change her attitude, she'll end up doing something more serious and, above all she to repeat scool year

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Date Posted: 19:08:47 05/19/26 Tue

Yeah...my sympathies, honestly. To start at the end, yeah, this sort of behavior is on the path to jail, and whatever you may think of spanking, the prison guards are much less gentle...

1) This isn't fair (to you), but there are two things going on here, it appears. One, your husband does not understand how girls think. I do, but that's not magic, that's many girls and women speaking and me being humble enough to listen. The funny thing is no girl survives grade school without understanding just how to navigate that...so you find it obvious. He has no clue.

To copy an old book quote:

"Well, obviously, she's feeling very sad, because of Cedric dying. Then I expect she's feeling confused because she liked Cedric and now she likes Harry, and she can't work out who she likes best. Then she'll be feeling guilty, thinking it's an insult to Cedric's memory to be kissing Harry at all, and she'll be worrying about what everyone else might say about her if she starts going out with Harry. And she probably can't work out what her feelings toward Harry are anyway, because he was the one who was with Cedric when Cedric died, so that's all very mixed up and painful. Oh, and she's afraid she's going to be thrown off the school sports team because she's been playing so badly."

A slightly stunned silence greeted the end of this speech, then Ron said, "One person can't feel all that at once, they'd explode."

“Just because you’ve got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn’t mean we all have,” said Hermione nastily, picking up her quill again.

...most men are like, well, that.

2) I will say you really have to tackle one problem at once. I've never had a problem explaining to a kid how a calm spanking will work; and lots of girls who behave like her are trying to provoke a response. See where the limits are.

Anyhow, yeah, certainly form a common front with your mother-in-law, and you both explain to him how girls and women think like he's a grade school kid. That's jobs one and two. Forget the rest for now. Which is doable. No man likes to realise he's being played like a violin.

The mechanics of everything else can be worked out and you can be taught, but sorry, unless you are looking to undermine your own authority and teach your daughter that her mother is lacking the will, then you really do have to do "it" yourself when the time comes. The problem most mothers of your type - very wishing to avoid an actual conflict - run into is they avoid things for so long that eventually the whole police thing happens and they snap with emotional anger. The point is not to get there.

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Lola66
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Date Posted: 06:35:11 05/20/26 Wed

That's why I'm confiding in you. I'm terrified that she'll end up in much more serious trouble, and that the situation will worsen for both her and us. Your words struck a chord with me: they reminded me of what my mother-in-law always tells me. She keeps saying we're too permissive with our daughter, and I think she's right. The girl isn't completely out of control, but you're right; we've allowed her too much for too long, perhaps because she's an only child.

We need to start acting like real parents, even if that means being considered "too strict" by her. My mother tells me the same thing; she constantly repeats that we've been too permissive with Sara, and that's why she takes advantage of us.
I think I'll take your valuable advice. Soon, when it's just me, my husband, and my mother-in-law, I'll try, with her help, to finally open my husband's eyes. Let's see what happens, because we can't go on like this. My husband needs to understand that we need to put a stop to this situation before it's too late.

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Date Posted: 07:05:52 05/20/26 Wed

Lola what is the reluctance to give her a good spanking? How old is she again?

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Lola66
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Date Posted: 08:55:34 05/20/26 Wed

It seems like an old-fashioned practice to me. In Italy they aren't used much as far as I know, or they are done but I don't have direct experience with them. Sara is almost 13 years old.

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Date Posted: 09:30:53 05/20/26 Wed

Lola it is a time honored practice that works! At 13, she is definitely not too old and can benefit from a good spanking.

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Date Posted: 11:39:28 05/20/26 Wed

Lola have you given this more thought?

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Lola66
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Date Posted: 12:03:45 05/20/26 Wed

Tonight after dinner, when the little girl is in bed, my mother-in-law and I will all talk about it together. We will try to explain to my husband that things can't go on like this. I hope my husband doesn't take it badly, because he has a pretty strong character, except with our daughter. Wish me all the best, I'm quite anxious.

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Date Posted: 12:17:15 05/20/26 Wed

Lola have trust in the girl needs correction and at her age and with you having tried many other punishments, a solid spanking is the answer!

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James to Lola66
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Date Posted: 12:47:22 05/20/26 Wed

If you are going to explain it in a way he will understand it, deliver it without sentimentality. You are not talking to your therapist.

It does not matter (in this conversation) why you think this needs to happen. Deliver a dry, informative, and direct conversation with the passion of a dentist.

"Girl is acting like this. Here is what these various body movements mean. Here is precisely how a she is manipulating you. We need to be her parents not her friends."

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