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Date Posted: 15:56:32 11/10/24 Sun
Author: Jeff
Subject: Re: Training Weekend
In reply to: Jen 's message, "Training Weekend" on 14:47:14 11/10/24 Sun

>The holidays are coming up which means our kid’s
>schedules are going to be busy with holiday parties,
>travel and other activities. This means late nights,
>early morning, lots of sugar and stimulation. I
>don’t need to tell any parents that all this leads
>to temper tantrums, disobedience, and poor behavior.
>
>I’ve written here and on other boards about our
>family’s use of first time obedience (FTO). I
>won’t rehash all the rules but in a nutshell the
>boys are required to say, “yes mommy/daddy” when
>their name is called and immediately come to us. They
>are expected to maintain eye contact and smile while
>being given commands then immediately follow the
>orders with a happy heart. Our 10 year old son has
>been given the privilege to appeal an order because he
>has been FTO for over a year. To appeal he must wait
>until we are done talking then ask, “may I
>appeal?” If we grant permission then he states his
>appeal and we either accept it or not. The 5&7 year
>olds are not allowed to appeal yet.
>
>Here’s an example of how an appeal may work:
>Me: Henry!
>Henry: yes mommy! (He immediately comes to me)
>Me: it’s bedtime. Please get ready for bed and wait
>for me to tuck you in. (He maintains eye contact and
>smiles during this)
>Henry: may I please appeal?
>Me: yes
>Henry: the baseball game on TV is almost over, it’s
>not a school night and I got an A on my math test. May
>I stay up until the end of the game?
>Me: granted but it’s off to bed afterwards.
>
>Pretty simple. Again, the 5&7 year olds are never
>allowed to appeal like that, it’s an earned
>privilege.
>
>Over the last few weeks 10 has been slipping on the
>FTO. Last week my husband and I revoked his privilege
>to appeal. With the chaos of the holidays coming up I
>wanted to put 10&7 through a training session or boot
>camp.
>
>You may be wondering why not 5 too? Why only do the
>training for 10&7? A 5 year old is still at the
>beginning stages of child training and FTO. Everyday
>is a training day for him. We “tomato stake” him
>everyday.
>
>This weekend was a rare weekend. We didn’t have any
>plans; no soccer, Boy Scouts, church functions, family
>gatherings etc. So this weekend was a child training
>weekend.
>
>On Friday, while the boys were at school, I prepared.
>I bought a large box of Huggies Little Movers size 7
>for the 7 year old, and a large box of Goodnites
>medium for the 10 year. I laid out on the family room
>coffee table a copy of the household rules, a
>hairbrush size plastic paddle, a couple of
>children’s obedience books, tissues, their diapers
>and of course the Bible. In the upstairs kids bathroom
>I prepared an enema and put the toddler seat on the
>toilet (it has handles and a little pee guard in the
>front of the seat for boys). Lastly I arranged with my
>parents for the 5 year old to stay at their place.
>
>When the boys came home from school we sat on the
>couch together and reviewed the rules, read the
>obedience books and a few bible passages, and talked.
>I then undressed 10 and stationed him in the corner.
>
>I took 7 up to the bathroom and undressed him too. I
>administered the enema and had him sit on the toddler
>seat on the toilet. I then went back to the family
>room, sat on the couch and called 10 over. I placed
>him over my lap. I spent about a minute hand spanking
>him. Then 5 minutes with the paddle. He was through
>the roof in pain and his little butt was as red as a
>stop sign. I gave him a break before doing a second 3
>minute round including hand spanking the thighs. I
>cleaned up his face then put him back in the corner.
>
>I then went back upstairs to check on 7 and was hit by
>the smell when I entered the bathroom. The enema did
>its job! I cleaned him up and took him back to the
>family room. He’s too young and small for the
>plastic paddle, so I just used my hand for several
>minutes. His spanking wasn’t as hard as big
>brother’s because he had the enema and is being DD.
>After I put him in his diaper and placed him in the
>corner.
>
>By this time 10 was finishing his corner time. I
>called him over and put the Goodnite on. I explained
>he doesn’t have to use it but will need to wear and
>ask permission to use the bathroom. I then took him to
>the kitchen for a snack of carrot sticks and milk.
>When 7 was done with his corner time he joined 10 at
>the kitchen table for a snack too, but got a baby
>bottle of milk.
>
>Over the weekend we played obedience games, and did
>chores. They wore only their diapers and white socks.
>They had to ask permission for EVERYTHING and had no
>privacy. Their bedtime was 7 pm. We did little “warm
>ups” here and there. But overall they did great! If
>10 keeps it up then we’ll restore his privilege to
>appeal next week.

Wow, sounds like that will send a strong impression across for the coming holiday gatherings. So were they each spanked and put in huggies/goodnites due to recent bad behavior or was it more just part of the overall training session? I bet they looked cute in just the diapers and socks. Do you think the 7yo was jealous at all that his older brother didnt have to wear a proper diaper and could ask to use the bathroom?

What were some of the obedience games you played like? I'm guessing no privacy and asking permission meant you did their baths and the older one had to be supervised in the bathroom. But was it other things too, like eating dinner or playing with toys?

I assume your parents know all about the discipline and obedience training and are supportive. Did the 5yo really understand or question why he wasnt with his brothers the past weekend?

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