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Date Posted: 10:30:47 02/28/03 Fri
Author: Observer
Subject: MAAC Tiebreakers

What's all this talk below about Niagara needing to lose. Hello! Anybody home? Fairfield has five losses and Niagara has six. If the Stags beat Loyola on Saturday and Manhattan loses, Fairfield gets the top seed.

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[> I think you're missing a whole bunch of stuff -- SaintlySaint, 10:41:32 02/28/03 Fri

You're asleep. While not impossible to be th #1 seed, FF is most likely the 2 seed.


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[> Re: MAAC Tiebreakers -- The Naut, 11:27:40 02/28/03 Fri

It's not that straight-forward. If Manhattan loses and Fairfield wins, we would have the same record, so they would look at tie-brakers to decide who gets the top spot. Since Manhattan and Fairfield split their head-to-head matches, we would need to then look at each team's record against the next highest seed. This is where it becomes important about who gets the number three, four and five seeds, because we would compare Manhattan's and Fairfield's record against each school going down until there was a clear winner.


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[> [> Re: MAAC Tiebreakers -- Hoops, 14:46:34 02/28/03 Fri

This is how FU can get the top seed

1. Beat Loyola
2. Iona beats Manhattan
3. Niagara loses once (Iona would then tie with Siena for third, but Iona wins the tie-breaker having beaten the Jaspers twice).

Anybody disagree with this scenario?


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[> [> [> Re: MAAC Tiebreakers - Lets go Rider -- JoeStag, 17:51:44 02/28/03 Fri

There is one other option. Niagara does not have to lose once if the follwing occurs:

St Peters Beats Siena in Albany, and Rider loses their last 2 games to Niagara and Canisius. This will put Iona and Niagara tied at 3rd and Rider and St Peters tied..... meaning that all tie breakers would be even between us and Manhattan. It would then come down to a COIN TOSS FOR THE BYE.

Rider plays Niagara tonight, so we will know a little more later. Bottom line is we can't get elimnated from 1st place until Sunday..... unless we lose to Loyola.

We need to root fro Rider Tonight.


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[> [> [> This option isn't right at all -- SaintlySaint, 18:08:48 02/28/03 Fri

The tie breaker rules say you compare your record vs. the next place team, not the next seeded team. This is the mistake that Shawn Brennan made 2 years ago that caused the rule to be re-written.

You would take FF and MC records and compare to combined record against Siena and Iona. In that case, both MC and FF are 2-2. You then move to the 5th place team and Fairfield was swept by Niagara so MC would be the first seed.

In your same scenario, Siena would also be the 3 seed becasue we swept Niagara


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[> [> [> [> SS, you are getting yourself confused -- JoeStag, 18:54:54 02/28/03 Fri

Hoops is right. If Iona and Siena are tied for 3rd, then Stags win 1st because:

Fairfield was 2-0 vs Iona, and 1-1 vs Siena for 3-1 overall
Manhattan would be 0-2 vs Iona, and 1-1 vs Siena for 1-3 overall. You even agreed to that this morning..... you must be on Tie-Breaker overload :)


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