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Re: Bye bye football.... -- ghostman, 11:26:32 02/03/03 Mon
I spoke to Gene Doris a while back about football. He acknowledged it was a financial drain but felt it had the support of influential alumni plus it was a requirement to have a football game at parents and alumni weekends. Since the basketball games are off campus, it is one of a few draws for people to get back onto campus.
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Re: Bye bye football.... -- me, 13:31:17 02/03/03 Mon
since when has it been a "requirement"? they had homecoming before they had football. also, ask providence how they do without the "draw" of football for those events.
also, if the only way people will come back to campus is for a glorified high school game against marist, then our alumni relations office isn't doing a great job.
do you mean to tell me that the supposed interest in football couldn't translate favorably to much needed increased support of the men's hoop team? please!!
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Re: Bye bye football.... -- Rave, 13:45:54 02/03/03 Mon
The bottom line is that it is a non scholarship sport that draws 2000-3000 people on Sat. afternoons before the hoop season starts.
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Re: Bye bye football.... -- Running Man, 14:13:42 02/03/03 Mon
Me, please enlighten me and please be specific. What do you mean when you refer to "much needed, increased support for the men's hoop team"? I'll be certain to be sitting down when you respond.
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Re: Bye bye football.... -- me, 15:57:37 02/03/03 Mon
it was in reference to the supposed thousands of fans that would be affected by football's possible demise....i simply meant that focusing our fan base and marketing efforts on actually filling the arena would be helpful (it is our "top priority sport" the last time i checked). we can sit here and talk about how great it would be to get 5,000 for a weekend game, but let's face it, if we did the place would still only be half full.
do you think and extra couple of thousand in the arena would help the atmosphere?
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Questons that should have been asked -- by a responsible adult..., 15:41:25 02/03/03 Mon
1. Would these student-athletes have attended Fairfield if there was not a football team?
2. How much tuition revenue does Fairfield get because the players attend? More than the football team's subsidy?
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Re: Questons that should have been asked -- Joe Ivy, 23:55:13 02/03/03 Mon
1. Ckeck ypur minority population. What percentage of that is mad eup by football recruits?
2.Check the geographic distrbution of your football roster. re there states represented that normally would njot be represented at the school.
3. 4 healthy recruiting classes of 45 - 50 players generates a million net to the school in tuition revenue, federal money, and state money.
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hockey potential -- GOSTAGS, 14:03:01 02/03/03 Mon
hockey is expensive but has the potential to be a sport that draws....from the area that FU is in and from where a majority of their students come from geographically...we should have/ could have a top notch program...i.e. nationally recognized....we have a great arena that could help the program immensely for the same reasons we always point out that would help the b-ball programs...just because hockey hasn't been good doesn't mean we bury the program....to me it has much more of an upside-certainly to the football program and maybe even to the LAX program...although I like the fact that they have stepped up the LAX program over the past several years and wouldn't take anything away from that program.
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Re: hockey potential -- Rave, 14:27:10 02/03/03 Mon
Hockey has the potential to draw? You've got to be kidding me. That's like saying " in the long run, you die". That program has had no success on the ice and in attendance. It is a big time loser and always will be. The only thing you got right is that it is very expensive. If I were looking to cut expenses (minus the welfare programs of course), Hockey would be the first hit.
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A Question on Title IX -- Sobro, 14:44:19 02/03/03 Mon
How is it that non scholarship athletics are included in athletic participation numbers when it comes to Title IX evaluation. St. John's sighted male/female ratio when it eliminated football. I was under the impression that this had everything to do with available athletic scholarships and nothing to do with non scholarship athletics. IMO, one should have nothing to do with the other. If 100 males are paying their own way, who cares if they play football? Does their presence deny anyone of a seat at the university or a scholarship? Just wondering.
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Re: A Question on Title IX -- Rave, 15:05:57 02/03/03 Mon
Sobro, The potential demise of the football program has nothing to do with title 9. When the elitist leader of the university is looking for money to give raises to his pompous faculty, look out. My own opinion is that Fairfield University needs new leadership in order to rid the arrogant attitude that has been prevalent for the last 30 years.
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Re: non-scholarship and Title IX--Link from last week's news -- ., 15:47:16 02/03/03 Mon
"Some of the recommendations approved by a presidential commission on Title IX:
- The commissioners recommended that all unrecruited walk-ons should not count toward Title IX proportionality totals."
http://www.dailyindependent.com/sports/312473691404688.php
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Re: non-scholarship and Title IX--Link from last week's news -- JC, 17:10:47 02/03/03 Mon
there's a difference between walk-ons and non-scholarship players.......believe me, a majority if not all of the players at FU are recruited by the NCAA definition of the word, therefore, would count toward title IX stats, so that info. doesn't apply here........this non-recruited walk-on issue deals mostly with big time IA football programs dealing with the true walk-on (the kid that shows up in september unannounced and decides he wants to play football).
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Its simple. -- Peacock, 01:15:34 02/04/03 Tue
Football is also an expensive sport to maintain outside of scholarships. Consider the equipment, the high number of coaches and their salaries, rental of the field etc. The amount of dollars there has to be matched on the woman's side to comply with Title IX. It forces the administration to match these funds for the ladies side of the ledger in the budget.
If you want to take a shot at your administration, there is a revenue side here that does not count. Each and every player contributes dollars either from his own paid tuition, or aid programs. Not all aid comes from outside, some comes from endowment programs, but no matter how you cut it, non-scholarship football brings in revenue to the school, even when you subtract the additional costs of more professors to teach this increased student body. It could be argued that many of these students get their tuition costs cut, but one might be surprised how many students in gen pop actually pay full tuition. Of course you could also argue that you give the aid to deserving non-athletes and would get the increased revenue without the need for budgeting dollars for athletics. Therefor the question revolves around the need for Faifield to obtain additional students with their money ( either aid or otherwise) to carry the financial burdens. If Fairfield can meet their requirements for the student body without needing the recruitment of football players, a case can be made for its elimination when Title IX squeezes.
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Re: Its simple. -- Joe Ivy, 23:05:24 02/04/03 Tue
You are the first person on this site who understands the issues.
However, this argument does not take into account many other issues, such as the educational value of football, the culture of a scoiety that keeps losing opportunities,as well as alumni relations and publicity.
This agument goes deep and has many layers. It is disheaetening that the trend in the northeast is to give up on this that so many people value and have benifited in so many ways.
If everything came down to dollars and cents, then what is the point of living in this country.
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Re: Its simple. -- Peacock, 10:48:03 02/05/03 Wed
I understand the extra that you put forth, but no matter how you slice it, you have to view it in the totality of the issue which takes into account views of the non-sport minded people who as just happens, are in the majority. The complexity of the various pros and cons never allows one to get to the bottom line impact and the decision always flows to the side that has the most power. I am reasonably anti-Jesuit and believe the Jesuit schools with successful programs are the product of powerful alumni programs who control substantial amounts of money, while the smaller (money wise) schools trend towards less athletic exposure favored by the Jesuits. Anyone who has read the discussions in the Jesuit Magazine "Reflections" (?) would see that even the pro side taken by a BC Jesuit shows that Jesuits at large have little feelings for athletic programs.
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hockey is going nowhere; focus on lacrosse -- Stagsfan, 14:54:58 02/03/03 Mon
You're right, if we struggle to draw 1500 on weeknights for mens hoops games, imagine how bad attendance will be for hockey. Lacrosse is coming on, it's a low cost sport to field and more importantly, Fairfield County is a goldmine of HS lacrosse talent. There is no excuse for us not fielding a top 10 team every year if we put money into it. It's like Florida and football - with all this high school talent around us, how can we fail?
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Re: hockey is going nowhere; focus on lacrosse -- Rave, 15:10:08 02/03/03 Mon
You will fail if no one is interested, thus resulting in poor attendance.
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Re: hockey potential -- GOSTAGS, 15:27:57 02/03/03 Mon
Rave- I'd be curious to know if B.C.'s hockey draws a crowd...I'll admit that i have no idea if they consistently get a decent crowd for their games....i think FU could/ should be able to draw from it's student body to put a better team on the ice...what i mean is that from the area we recruit and the type of students that go to the school, i don't understand why the team is not better than it currently is...whether it would draw fans...probably not....if it was consistent in the nations top 15- would we draw?....i don't have any attendance figures for "big" hockey programs...i would be intersted to know if there is any potential to draw a crowd....my guess is that only the top programs get any kind of attendance figures worth noting
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Re: hockey potential -- hockeyeast, 16:09:35 02/03/03 Mon
BC has averaged over 7,000 in home games this year alone
good luck getting that many in a season at the wonderdump of ice
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Re: Bye bye football.... -- Stag '89, 18:15:54 02/03/03 Mon
What the hell are you talking about? You mean males and minorities are only admitted under the guise of being athletes in a non-scholarship sport. Because they're males or minorities, are you saying that otherwise they would not qualify? Better be careful where you're going with that; the P C Gods may be watching.
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Re: Bye bye football.... -- Joe Ivy, 16:55:20 02/04/03 Tue
pc gods aside, the reality is that football helps generate male and minority population at colleges. it is an enrollment management tool used for universities for decades.
as the new baby boomers head to college, this may not be an issue depending on the school, its needs and its direction.
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