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Subject: Trinidadian, whether you like it or not

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Not Impressed
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Date Posted: Thursday, December 04, 10:55:59pm
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In reply to: lingintexas 's message, "Accent" on Thursday, December 04, 02:44:30pm

You're absolutely hilarious...and yes I am Trinidadian. My remaining family in Trinidad now reside in Valsayn. We're originally from San Juan, or Sawa (not sure how that sounds british to you). It, like the dilect from which it is usually spoken has no resemblance to the british proper english, so really, don't kid yourself. It's funny to me that Trinidadians perceive the british accent to be a measure of class (that's why so many Trinis fake it I assume). That excuse about it being a british colony would have worked 50 years ago, but alas mother England left the country to it's own devices and it's OWN culture and dialect continued to flourish; independant of the initial influence. Jamaica has much the same story, and an accent (they don't hide) that reflects it.

To someone who didn't know better, your weak excuses might have meant something. That being said, I've got to tell you, those people who ask if your accent is british...are obviously trying to say in a kind way, "admit it you're not from England and you're not fooling anyone"...clue in already. I am so embarassed by people like you, you make Trinis seem like they don't have a culture of their own to be proud of.

Persist in negating my heritage if it entertains you, truly some exchange should be in order given the tremendous "entertainment" value I am getting out of Miss Trinidad's atrocious helium filled appendages that Trini77 seems to be so proud of. She's pageant pretty, but the height, the boobs, strike one, strike two...I'm just waiting for the stripper heels.

Well really, "Ent yeh know ah don come teh macko an spread talk so ol yeh let be nah" oooops there goes my british accent again :)

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[> [> Subject: A few thoughts and questions for you

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smurfgyrl
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Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 01:18:14am
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Ok, so I get it. And to be honest I have nothing against your views. The fake accent is a pet peeve of mine too. Speaking properly to alot folks= the "Corn-vunt axe-unt".

And to be honest most of these folks live in the same area you mentioned your family lives. However, I`ve never met Gabby (and I don`t think you have either, maybe I`m wrong) so I dont know if that was an act or not...so I`m not going there.

I admit I didnt like her actions, she tried abit too hard for my liking. Moving on though- with regards to the implants which you hate so much (yes...ok wonderful maybe you are au natural, no to implants, no to makeup, no to weave, no to relaxer...etc) Hey I respect that also. But the point is it comes down to choice. So if she WANTED to get her boobs done, who are you to judge her? She isn`t the first and she damn sure wont be the last.

And I guess finally I just want to know- since you have a major problem with her why do you come here then? Wont it annoy you even more to see said implants plastered all over the forum? Why waste your time?

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[> [> [> Subject: Why are we ever bothered...

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Trini77
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Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 07:53:02am
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...anyone can come on the internet and claim to be from T&T or Mars for all I care. It does not matter. No real Trinbagonian would come on here and just have 100% of negativity towards Gabby, or any T&T rep for that matter. I already have an idea of who is this "not impressed" person and in my nearly 30 years on this planet I have never seen a Trini spell dialect that way. To be bashing incessantly, is ridiculous. Yes she is short but still made it to the semis of BB and Top Model when alot of ladies failed to (shouldn't it be something to be happy about). The fake boobs-wait a minute let's talk about all the fake boobs that for decades the Lain and european ladies have had not to mention the liposuction and rib removal-this is the same beauty that Trinis like to go "GA GA" for but let one Trini lady do something that she thinks could advance her further in the competition and everyone has to pong. And for everyone saying Gabby is pushing up the breast-in most pics she is not. Her frame is very compact and tight unlike some of the latin ladies who I might add have bigger implants.

P.S. I am pretty sure my dialect is in tact because up to this year when I was in T&T people were like "you have no accent." I am sorry that you think speaking standard english is like a curse or something-trust me if Wendy spoke in dialect for the prelim interview she would have never made it to the top 10 of MU. Come on people, this is not a political meeting in T'dad where dialect could be appreciated. She is on a world stage and she has to adjust. My gosh people, I have been in the room with and given presentations to elite people (nobel prize winners, major US philanthropists, scientsists, etc) and even I was critiqued as needing to reduce the strength of the foreign accent. Gabby was in the US for a while-she wants to be an acctress-do you really noone told her to pay attention to her accent. Gosh people, fake accent my backsi#e! If she wanted to be fake she would sound American. Even my closest friends have told me I have a strong British accent when giving presentations.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Oh gorm...

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Trini77
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Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 09:13:42am
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...I was finally able to see the video-my question is "what fake accent?" I am happy to see that she was very animated in the video because this is meant to attract attention for the voting-even if you think she was "trying to hard" you will still remember her after seeing all the vids from the Caribbean delegates for that very same fact. Remember this is for the online voting public-I am glad to see that PE&A made her change up the professional, mature "vote for me" vids that our reps have done before- I always remember the vid of a certain other Caribbean delegate where she was literally hopping around in and extremely animated (fortunately she was able to stand to film hers and not confined to a chair like Gaaby) and I thought to myself-"give the public what it wants for these vids."

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[> [> Subject: Same thing every year...

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Evaluator
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Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 09:15:26am
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It seems every year when a new Miss T&T is crowned there is thess negative posts. I think if you dont like her why bother yourself coming on a forum where most people are in support of her and behind her 100 percent?. This forum is plastered with Gabby's pictures are positive comments for her. Why will you want to suffer yourself the pain of being overwhelmed with all the well wishers?.

Gabby is a fantastic girl and has done remarkably well. I applaud her efforts in being the best that she can be. For your information. Being a former british colony has alot to do with it. I also if it is true that Trini's look at the british accent as some sought of classy accent. It is not just Trini's. You need to take a closer look at things then make your comments.

It is also a fact that when Trini's speak without the native dialect. They do sound british. You said you are Trini but your words says otherwise.

There are many people who talk the way Gabby does. I dont understand why this is even an issue. If you are Trini and talking to someone who is not country. We all know you will speak without your trini dialect. I am sure "Not Impressed" that even you if you are really Trini will change the style of your speach if you are having a conversation with someone or a group on indiviuals from another country.

I am really confused by some of your comments. Is speaking standard english "not having a culture"?.

Gabby is a true gem and is in everyway a true representation of a Trinidadian. Go Gabby!!!!

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[> [> [> Subject: Style of speech and accent are two different things....nice try to deflect though.

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Not Impressed
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Date Posted: Monday, December 08, 09:42:33pm
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First of all I am the last person in the world who would object to delegates having plastic surgery, trust me on this :) Most delegates have implants, but Gaby's are of the poorest quality I have seen in many years (not the latin standard). They are sitting WAY too high and quite simply; they make her look cheap (and by extension, also Trinidad). The dated overly provocative wardrobe also doesn't help. This deeply upsets me because once again Peter and his "associates" have gotten it very WRONG. Why they didn't opt for a revision surgery baffles me, they had plenty of time and should have done so when the (very obvious) problem was identified. Any legitimate surgeon would have done the revision at no additional cost.

The only thing that I am sure will be more offensive than this choice will be the predictably horrid gown PE selects for her to match the stripper styled platforms I am sure he is adamant on. I'm cringing just to think what poorly cut boring outdated gown will be framing Trinidad once again. Why doesn't he just contract in some help, or make an alliance with another country's pageant prep team? That's what the latins do. An alliance with Magali Febles' Dominican team might just be in your reach if you play your cards right.

Secondly, Trini77, you live your life on this board...plain and simple. You think that it belongs to you and that you are the all seeing all knowing omnipotent eye of pageantry that we must all bow down to...GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD...YOU ARE NOT...WE ARE ALL ENTITLED TO OUR OPINIONS. PS - Don't talk to me about spelling mistakes...I read your posts enough to know that you are no scholar.

Thirdly, fake british accents internationally are laughed at so I reserve my right to laugh again, ha ha. There is no reasonable argument that supports acceptance of such behaviour other than citing a lack of confidence in one's one origins.

Lastly, style of speech (ie. grammar, word usage and sentence composition) is not synonymous with 'accent'. They relate to two very different aspects of speech

...and no, I never adjust my accent.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: mis-type
Author: Not Impressed [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Monday, December 08, 09:46:35pm Author Host/IP: CPE0017ee23023d-CM0017ee53ec46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/99.227.165.99 one's own origins [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Do you have anything good to say?

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Evaluator
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 08:27:12am
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Where do I start, first of all. It is sad that you still decided to come on this forum in the midst of all these fans of Gabby to defame her. Are you not feeling irritated by the fact that this entire forum is literally plastered with her pictures and well wishers?. Maybe you are. Is this why you feel the need to say only negative things about her?.

Do you have anything positive to say?. Or are you just in hate of everything that is Trinidad and Tobago?. Once again, you keep saying you are a Trini, but have you read your comments?. You sound very bitter to Trini's in general.

First you had a problem with Gabby's accent, then it was her breasts. Now, its about the clothes she wears. For the record, alot of people think that Gabby's breast are just fine. I dont know what problem you talk about that needed to be fixed.

PE&A has been seen as one of the best teams in pageantry. He has created great cutting edge designs and alot of people do like it. I dont know where you come from with this "outdated" comments that just sounds really ludicrous!.

You seem stuck on the idea of horrid gowns? What gown or gowns in your opinion has been so horrid and as you said stripper like platforms that the Miss T&T's has worn?

Secondly "Not Impressed", PE&A has contracted other designers to create gowns for Miss T&T. Last year Bobby A. designed Valene's gown and he is also the designer for Gabby's gown this year. I think you need to do a little research before commenting.

Why in this world will PE&A want to team up with the Dominican team or whoever it is?. PE&A have proven to be a great world class team. They have proven to be on top with their sense of style, great training methods or preparations of the girls. I dont think they need the help of the latin countries. You talk about getting associated with them as some sought of priviledge. T&T has done way bettter than alot of these latin countires alot of times. So, what do you think about Miss Dominican Republic this year?.

You keep insisting with this view of someone having a fake british accent. Again, Gabby speaks perfecrtly fine and sounds 100 percent Trini and showcases the variety of the culture that is Trinidad and Tobago!!. What origins exactly are you talking about?. If you want to talk about origins then we go right back to T&T as a former british colony and thats where english became the language that is the language spoken in T&T. So, quit trying to defend something that can not be defended. You are making yourself look really bad now.

No one said that grammar or word usage in a sentence is the same as with speaking in a accent. We all know that standard english is understood no matter what accent its spoken in. But, you talk about you dont change your style of speech. So, I assume when adressing a group or indiviuals that are not from your country you speak with the day to day trini words?. You know, the ones you speak with your friends etc?. Most people know that when speaking standard english you do sound different.

Also T&T is very diverse and Gabby represents that all the way!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: the 'Evaluator' has no credentials

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Not Impressed
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 09:23:17am
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That's a riot...Bobby Ackbarali is not a real fashion designer, nor is Peter. Their designs are OUTDATED and outside the realm of actual fashion. I can look in my own closet to find an assortment of ACTUAL designer gowns, can you? Do you even know what's showing in Milan for the spring shows?? No, the closest you've ever gotten to actual fashion is sorting through 'made in china' bolts of fabric in Port of Spain. Don't YOU lecture ME. Their designs belong in the Seventeen Magazine Prom Edition with the other poorly cut ill-inspired designs. Their skill is really quite limited to the trained eye. It doesn't matter where you're from, it's your original interpretation of fashion and ever evolving talent that makes you shine; just look at Carlos Miele. Peter and Bobby just don't have what it takes to be called designers. They are unoriginal, they are dressmakers. To be sure if you yourself really agree with me just hold their work to the standard that I am forced to; the mid-range international standard. It's not the highest standard, it's the bare minimum. Focus on composition of the gowns not cost of the gowns.

You're arguments have no merit so I won't bother responding to any of your other silly remarks. You're too far inside your own bubble to see any flaws within the Trinidadian system. I don't hate Trinidad or Trinidadians; just the excess of stupidity and ignorance that prevails among certain individuals on this board.

That being said, I'll let you go back to your delusions of grandeur and save you from the harsh reality of what is truly lacking for you to have a crown. Miss World is the poor man's Miss Universe so good luck to winning this year's set of rhinestones. Like I said before...you'll need it.

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Author: PB [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 11:21:00am Author Host/IP: 5ad85df6.bb.sky.com/90.216.93.246 buh wah d fuck do she?? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Get over yourself

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smurfgyrl
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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 08:15:01pm
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To be honest I got no beef that this person hates Gabby. Not everyone will like her and thats a fact. But I can do without the condescending and judgmental attitude. This person just sounds like she thinks she is better than everyone. A waste folks, lets focus on better things.

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Author: mAXIMUS [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Wednesday, December 10, 04:16:37am Author Host/IP: cm230.omega12.maxonline.com.sg/218.186.12.230 amen smurfgyrl......NEXT!!!! Gabby we love u eh, doh let dis outta time person rain on ur parade! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes, there are better things to focus on....
Author: Evaluator [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: Thursday, December 11, 08:22:52am Author Host/IP: c-76-101-51-85.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/76.101.51.85 I agree smurfgyrl, we have way better things we can focus on. Gabby we are behind you all the way. GO for the top!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]