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Date Posted: 08:25:00 09/02/00 Sat
Author: avalanche
Subject: Re: IQ as Religion
In reply to: Mariah 's message, "IQ as Religion" on 08:06:34 09/02/00 Sat

> A person who is good at math can't remember what not
> knowing math was like. It becomes part of what we call
> 'reason', and 'common sense'. And, it is neither. It
> is a learned thing, and it is called 'math'. You need
> to know the constructs of math to do math, and those
> constructs must have been taught to that person or
> they couldn't do it.
>
> I don't believe intelligence is the accumulation of
> knowledge. I believe that intelligence doesn't need
> math as it's underlying structure. It is a limit of
> the human mind to think that math must underlie
> intelligence or a person isn't intelligent.
>
> It is much the same as the parochial thought that all
> life forms must be carbon-based, although there have
> been those who could stretch their minds to
> acknowledge that life might just as easily be silicon
> based.
>
> In my own world, I would say that intelligence has to
> do with the ability to stretch things into any shape,
> and thus I would say the parts of the test which
> probably illustrate pure intelligence separated from
> what has been learned (math, english, etc.) is the
> spacial relationship part of the test. Otherwise it is
> just a test to see what people have learned from what
> they were taught, which is not an indicator of
> intelligence APTITUDE meaning the level one might
> attain.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm obviously not saying that an
> IQ test doesn't indicate a certain level of
> accomplishment, knowledge, and skill level in those
> who score a high level.
>
> I am saying that scoring a low level on an IQ test
> does NOT imply that a person is not capable of raising
> their IQ as high as they'd like to raise it. That in
> no way is what many people believe about IQ tests.
> Many use it as some sort of barometer that indicates a
> person will never have aptitude, and not only now, but
> always will be 'stupid'.
>
> After a label is placed upon any person, they sit in
> that label and that label affects them for the rest of
> time. Whether that label be 'the damned', 'low IQ',
> 'stupid', 'lunkhead', or any other method people use
> to degrade others.
>
> So, IQ is a concept used to degrade others. It is used
> as a religious concept, to raise one above another
> again so they can feel 'more special' than another.
>

since reality can be broken up in ONLY mathematical terms, math most definitely IS part of intelligence, a person who is completely ignorant of math (not even knowing 1+1=2) can by very definition not be smart. you bring up some valid points and then totally destroy your own points by bringing in your own meaningless opinions as though they're facts. your opinions however, are hardly supported.

> It is just as religious as any religion is.

this is obviously and blatantly false. religion is defined as the belief in a higher force, (god(s)-etc), since this has absolutely nothing to do with that, you can not call it religious, and calling that is a deeply insulting to any rational, reasonable person.

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Rational, Reasonable -- Mariah, 08:37:10 09/02/00 Sat
- Re: Rational, Reasonable -- avalanche, 10:08:40 09/02/00 Sat