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Date Posted: 15:27:09 04/30/02 Tue
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I
The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice. Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not. --Susan

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[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 19:38
The Bible says that we can become the sons of god, there fore we have to figure out what that means. Does that mean that we will be like Jesus? We know we can't be perfect, so must we question whether he was or whether he simply chose not to sin...we have the power to do that. Or maybe it means that after death we will be perfected. maybe it means after several lifetimes and deaths. Again, it doesn't seem real clear, does it? One thing that is clear is that I am not perfect and neither are you. ;)
[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Ten Megs
Monday April 29, 2002 at 19:35
I like your boycott method... Question, has anyone done a statistical analysis to see if there is more problem in the Catholic clergy than in any other or in the general population? I think they may just be the ones who have gotten caught, so far.
[Verified Murray] Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 29, 2002 at 19:33
Make up your mind. Either we can receive the power to be children of God as He or we can not.
[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 19:32
You aren't being attacked nor any other Christian in this forum... you're being debated and sometimes agreed with and sometimes disagreed with... I don't think I'll see any of you in Fox's Book of Martyrs anytime soon.
[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 19:24
"That you have been given the power to live a life like Jesus did? Then show me by the spiritual excellence of your life that it is true." Excuse me? Did I say I was sinless? Nope. Are you sure you want to say that you have the power to be sinless? No one, this side of death, has that power. I have met some very nice people, but no perfect ones. The scripture says "be ye perfect", the word perfect here is an ongoing creative process, meaning be being perfected...it's what the HS does in our souls..shapes and smooths and paints us til we're ready for the kiln.
[Verified *Coinkydink] *Coinkydink
In Response To Ctaj, Inqui, Murray &10Megs
Monday April 29, 2002 at 19:16
"The Bible does not record any denials." The only "definitive, almost," statement is the ambiguous "I am my Father are one." One God? Nope, doesn't say that. One in purpose? One family? Could be. However there are lots of direct unequivocal denials by Jesus himself that he was God...he defers to God the Father every time as the one who sent him, the one who originated the message, the one who gave him authority to give the message, the one who we should pray to, the one who saves us, the one who created us, the one who loves us.
[Verified dori] dori
In Response To Basil
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:57
I try not to be rude when someone addresses me repeatedly and clamors for my attention. I'll be happy to ignore you if you can make up your mind. You have a nice night, hon. Oh, be sure not to let the door hit your divinely dimpled derriere on the way out. *-)
[Verified Ten Megaton Solution] Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Doris
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:49
Ah! I know. I promoted a workable method for people like you to tell your church to grow up, and you don't like it, because now you have to choose to do nothing, or take action against your buds.

So sorry.

Gotta go.
[Verified Ten Megaton Solution] Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Doris
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:48
I thought you said you were going to ignore me. What happened?
[Verified dori] dori
In Response To 10 Meg
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:44
Chastise them yourself. You're a big boy. Besides, you said you don't need no stinkin cheerleader.
[Verified dori] dori
In Response To 10 meg
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:39
Still having a bit of reading retention difficulty, I see. What does the word "all" encompass?
[Verified Ten Megaton Solution] Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:35
... we're all entitled to believe as we like without being attacked for it.

Ah, so you'll start chastising those that say I'm headed for Hell, then. Thank you.
[Verified Ten Megaton Solution] Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:35
For the best effect, have the mother's write the note on a voided check. The church will spend hours going through each check. Much better than a petition, I'd say.
[Verified Ten Megaton Solution] Ten Megaton Solution
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:34
If that is what it takes, then so be it, but the vermin needs to be cleaned out and it has to start from the top.

Nope. It starts from the bottom. I mentioned a Mother's Day Boycott, to force the Top to see the Bottom (no butt jokes, please). Just as the Republicans let Clinton slide because they focused on Al Gore, so too will the Church let the Cardinals slide if the parishoners don't make a lot of noice.

Get a e-mail campaign for Mother's Day going. Simply have all Catholic mothers to go to church on Mother's Day, and put this note in the collection plate:

Good mother's don't pay to keep pedophiles in their Church.

Get a million mon's to do that Sunday, and the Church would change on Monday.
[Verified dori] dori
In Response To No, the bottom line is..
Monday April 29, 2002 at 18:33
... we're all entitled to believe as we like without being attacked for it. Unfortunately, too few people have heeded that simple tenet and there is no respect for anyone. That is a sad fact.
[Verified `Ctaj] `Ctaj
In Response To Inquisitive
Monday April 29, 2002 at 17:46
The bottom line is that we all know what you want to believe is true, and the bible has led you to believe it thru nuance and double-speak, but no where does it actually say what you'd like to believe it says to affirm what you want to believe is true. But unless you read the book with an open mind, you won't see the deception.
[Verified Ten Megaton Solution] Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Inquisitive
Monday April 29, 2002 at 17:43
If I could harness the teenagers of America, we could end our dependence in Saudi Arabia, and I could make Bill Gates look like a pauper.

A wonderful goal...
[Verified ~Inquisitive~] ~Inquisitive~
In Response To ctaj, TMS
Monday April 29, 2002 at 17:38
Hmm..ctaj is one with his dog, and Basil is thinking of ways to extract oil from a pimple..and you guys think followers of Christ are simpletons? LOL

Have fun with your dog, Ctaj, and Basil..I don't think that's the right kinda oil you're going to get out of a zit..but you can try! Let us know how it works.

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