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Date Posted: 17:25:32 05/13/02 Mon
GerryB.
In Response To dori
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:40
What's wrong with Monday? Monday's are given to us by God just as are every other day
and are to be lived to the fullest in His service.
GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:37
RE: "What you and Murray don't seem to get is that the relationship that so-called heathens
have with God is as real to them as yours is to you."
They don't have a relationship with God. There is only one God; the God of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob. The God who is spoken of so eloquently in the Holy Bible.
GerryB.
In Response To Sim
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:33
Good morning, brother.
Is a two day drizzle to be considered rain?
*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:32
From you and TB2:"...what was our status before our worldly birth?" Unborn.
What you posted before about birth changing our status suggested that you believe in the
pre-existance of souls before birth. I told TB2 that I thought you had just misspoke, but
perhaps I was wrong. Do you believe that souls exist in Heaven or somewhere before they are
born? Or are they created at the time of conception?
*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:28
Also you and others dwell on the first step to enlightenment, and it seems that once you have
acheived it you can't think of anything more you want to know about God. That's what it looks
like from your posts. To me, seeking God is a lifelong thing, its like wanting to know someone
you love more intimately.
*Coinkydink
In Response To Sim
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:26
I meant the previous post for you as well. What you and Murray don't seem to get is that the
relationship that so-called heathens have with God is as real to them as yours is to you. There
is only one God, a never-ending source of living water, life, love and sustenance for all...
likened to a deep underground Spring...and there are many wells that reach down to the same
source of water...Saying that our religion is the only one, is confusing the well with the Spring.
*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:19
Sorry, I scrolled back to the time you suggested and found a discussion about Brother
lawrence, nothing to interest me or that was intended for me.
I asked you a question that harks back to something that you chided me for and others have in
the past and that is: When I have said that I continually seek God, I have been chided as not
knowing God or never having found God. That is NOT the case, but good christians always
see anything that isn't exactly like their religion to be lacking in substance. Therefore they and
you chide me as "seeking, but never finding"...
To me seeking is a lifelong thing, like wanting to know someone you love better and more
intimately.
Sim 2
In Response To Stephen
Monday May 13, 2002 at 9:06
After you’ve been in HELL a zillion times longer than the universe existed, tormented, day and
night, without rest, totally devoid of any hope for your situation to “EVER CHANGE”, no
reason to live, desiring to die and “CAN’T”, I’ll bet this thought crosses your mind.
Damn, I could have avoid all of this if I had not been so “Stupid”, yes, I know, I told them they
were the ones who were “Stupid”, but they aint burning, “I AM”.
What’s a “lifetime”, 50-100 years, why that’s not a “blink of the eye” compared to the time
I’ve already been here, or will “stay here”.
My future consist of nothing but torment, without rest, until God dies, yep, I was “real smart”.
One drop of that water Jesus gave the woman at the well would “cool my tongue”.
Sim 2
In Response To Coinkdink
Monday May 13, 2002 at 8:45
That once they have acheived "Saved" status, they sit back and wait for their reward in
Heaven. Some have even said they can't wait til this life is over...can you imagine that kind of
wastefulness of the life we've been given?
Where did you get the idea we can "Sit back" and wait???
Did you ever plan something for "next weekend", something you loved, then all week long,
"Anticipation", "Excitement", about the "Coming days"???
Earth is the only HELL Christians will ever see, why shouldn't they be "Excited" with
"Anticipation" about their "removable".
Earth is also the only Heaven the unsaved will ever see.
Sim 2
In Response To Coinkdink
Monday May 13, 2002 at 8:33
I would bet that Jesus wouldn't like coffee, since it is a stimulant and he probably didn't need
stimulants.
Jesus refused all "stimulants", he abided by the "laws" God gave Moses concerning "foods and
Drinks".
Nu 6:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall
separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD:
3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or
vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or
dried.
This why Jesus, "on the cross" refused to drink the "Vinegar and water" mixture.
He shall be called a Nazarene.
Murray
In Response To Timbuctoo
Monday May 13, 2002 at 8:16
"...what was our status before our worldly birth?"
Unborn.
dori
In Response To Good morning!
Monday May 13, 2002 at 7:18
It's Monday, but I'm not gonna let that get me down. Have a good one, all!
`Ctaj
In Response To Don R
Monday May 13, 2002 at 1:15
Golf, you see, is a game of honor, in which you are expected to enforce the rules upon
yourself. You learn a lot about a man when you see how he follows the rules when he thinks
nobody is looking. You also get to see how he reacts to adversity.
`Ctaj
In Response To Don R
Monday May 13, 2002 at 1:13
Good quote. Not to nitpick, but actually it was
"Golf: a good walk spoiled."
They say, and I agree, that you can learn more about a man's character in a round of golf than
in a month of conversation.
GerryB.
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 23:47
Nothing worth responding to here tonight.
TTYL GLW.
Timbuctoo
In Response To Murray
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 23:14
Ref: "just as our natural birth was at a point in time and relatively sudden and changed our
status forever" . . . perhaps you could answer this question . . . from your perspective . . . what
was our status before our worldly birth?
Stephen James
In Response To Sim
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 22:25
"How do you know Jesus doesn't like Coffee, and I don't know how he like it, he and I drink
from the same cup."
Jesus says you can drink Poison if you are truly a believer in him. Of course Sim does not
drink poison and knows Jesus better than Jesus knew himself. So all that crap Jesus was talkin'
about handling snakes an drinking poison is just that...crap. Take out your black markers and
cross out those Jesus words cause some Christians are deceivers who damn well know that
when they drink poison they will die and join their true father of the Christian Church...Satan.
Murray
In Response To Jeanie
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 22:24
Make that yesterday at 11:20, not 10:20. Three posts in a row there from me to you. Best as
I can tell, you haven't read them or responded yet.
Murray
In Response To Jeanie
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 20:54
Yeah, I just did a drive by before to post to Ron. My son and I are hanging out here at the
house because my wife and daughter took a trip to Disney World for Mother's Day and, so,
we've been watching a ball game and foraging for food and yapping away here. I'll get back to
your questions later. Not in the right frame of mind right now. Having read your basic question,
though, I can't even figure out where it came from. A lot of my thoughts about you and to you
were expressed here yesterday morning at 10:20. Still waiting for a thoughtful response to that.
*Coinkydink
In Response To Ya'll
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 20:09
TTFN
Don R.
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 20:05
Golf: A good walk ruined. Mark Twain.
The Mod's Response: Hi, Don. Good to see you.
*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 19:46
You still here?
*Coinkydink
In Response To Murray
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 19:35
Don't be surprised if I up and disappear... we're going out to supper soon... I'm just doing a
what Sim calls a "drive-by"... I'll check back tommorrow am to get your answers.
*Coinkydink
In Response To Question for Murray
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 19:20
Fromyour posts, I get the feeling from you that to continue to seek God after the "born-again"
experience is somehow looked down on. You have chided me for it.
My personal belief is that one must continue to seek God and to grow in one's relationship with
God. God is a pretty big Being to think once you get some enlightenment about him, that's
it...you don't need anymore.
But that's the impression most of the fundys give...that once they have acheived "Saved" status,
they sit back and wait for their reward in Heaven. Some have even said they can't wait til this
life is over...can you imagine that kind of wastefulness of the life we've been given?
Murray
In Response To RonB
Sunday May 12, 2002 at 19:15
The spiritual life is the end. The church and its accoutrements are the means. You do not seem
to realize this. In every thing you do, you must ask, "What is the purpose?" The church is not
the purpose, but it has a purpose. To constantly discuss the church (means) without giving
testimony of the spiritual life (end) is abhorrent. The tragic irony is that God created the church
to bring glory to Himself, not to itself. How is what you are doing not idolatry?
"Many do not advance in the Christian progress because they stick in penances and particular
exercises while they neglect the love of God, which is the end. That this appeared plainly by
their works and was the reason why we see so little solid virtue.
RonB
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:49
To constantly discuss the church (means) without giving testimony of the spiritual life (end)
is abhorrent.
The disired end is heaven. Whether you achieve that end by becoming a monk and
contemplating God at all times -- or work as a car salesman while remaining in a state of grace.
Timbuctoo
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:49
Ref" "It suggested that both the status and the experience of your life change dramatically the
day you are born" ~~~ you suggest here that there is life and experience on both sides of our
worldly birth . . . Please tell us of your the life and experiences you had before this worldly
birth. :)
Murray
In Response To Timbuctoo
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:42
You expose nothing except that your life is without content. If knew what it is to have an
honest discussion and understood all that means, you would take the responsibility to start one.
Problem is you don't have a clue about any of that. And, if you've had something important to
say and if you cared about people, you'd die trying to say it. If you thought what I was doing
was so wrong and if you cared and if you had anything at all to say, you'd do that just as a
caring person would talk someone off the ledge of a building contemplating to jump off. You
wouldn't just look out and say, "You reap what you sow, bub." You're the hypocrite!
Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:39
"Touched a nerve with you did I."
No need to flatter yourself. Nothing you say bothers me one single bit as I know, repeat, I
know you speak lies...or at best speculation. Christianities religious ideas are bunk so anything
you say about God I know is a lie.
What does touch a nerve with me is when I see demons attempting to persecute believers in
God while placing themselves atop some high horse. More so when it is apparent they are just
another Hitler control freak wannabe.
I live in America buddy, the Country where no fanatical Christian can make me worship as
they do. Oh they can tell me what they think I should do, but I can and I do just laugh in their
faces. As I now do to you...LMAO!
RonB
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:37
The spiritual life is the end. The church and its accoutrements are the means.
What you fail to realize is that, the Church (Mass, fast days, etc.) is "spiritual life." That the
Sacraments really impart spiritual grace. You have it in your mind that the only kind of spiritual
life that is real, is mental prayer. You have a very limited view of spirituality.
Murray
In Response To Jeanie
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:34
The call Jesus makes to all is, "You must be born again." (John 3:7) We are confronted with
this and we must do as he says and when we do, we will be dramatically changed. Paul puts
further light on this event in our lives by saying:
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all
things have become new. Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through
Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ
reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to
us the word of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:17-19
The implications are clear and breathtaking. And it is the word of reconciliation I bring you.
Murray
In Response To Jeanie
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:34
"What you posted before about birth changing our status suggested that you believe in the
pre-existance of souls before birth."
No, it didn't. It suggested that both the status and the experience of your life change
dramatically the day you are born. It likewise changes dramatically when you are born again. I
said this as a categorical rejection of what you posted in Alternate R1 in which you quoted a
belief that people gradually, after alternate victories and defeats, become at last fully obedient
to the will of God as inwardly apprehended and centered in the Light. This is a greatly
deceiving statement and like so many other lies of Satan, has a certain plausibility to it that
makes it believable to the unregenerated.
RonB
In Response To Sim
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:33
So How does a priest "absolve sin" without dying, Jesus couldn't, even after asking the
Father in the Garden.
Did, or did Christ not give the Apostles the power to forgive sins?
Timbuctoo
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:16
Ref: "You also have nothing positive to offer" ~~~ You reap what you sow Bub . . . call 'Dink
a sloppy mess and you get it back in spades . . . Your God is the greeter at Wal - Mart :).
When you and other Christians here care to be honest with your selves and have an honest
discussion, it will happen. Until then, tilt the table any way you like, and we'll continue to
expose your lies an hypocrisies.
dori
In Response To Gerry
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:15
Mondays suck because they are so longgg and busy!!!
`Ctaj
In Response To Sim 2
Monday May 13, 2002 at 13:06
Nu 6:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and
say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a
Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: 3 He shall separate himself from wine
and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither
shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
So, I gather when Jesus supposedly turned water into wine, and when they drank wine at the
Last Supper, He was saying, "The Old Testament is bunk."
As are those who drink wine as they take communion?
Murray
In Response To Timbuctoo
Monday May 13, 2002 at 12:48
I'd respond to your point if you'd made one. You also have nothing positive to offer. Just a
little vague mystical whimsy thrown in here and there to punctuate you normal riff which is a
visceral hatred for Christianity or anything connected to it.
Murray
In Response To SJ
Monday May 13, 2002 at 12:38
Thanks for your post. Touched a nerve with you did I. Good! Stirred up the sin in you is what
I did. Sin doesn't like that. It likes to hide in the darkness and destroy you covertly. Darkness
hates the light and resists it mightily By not repenting of it, your sin causes you to rise up and
attack the messenger, which is understandable to me and fine. However, you once again prove
that you have nothing of positive substance to offer and that reduces you down to only having a
passion that is reactive in its demonstration. You stumble through this world living a vain,
purposeless and vacuous life. You prove it every time you show up here.
Timbuctoo
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 12:07
Ref: "I don't know, but, frankly, you are a mess" . . . And you on the other hand are a living
example of God's perfection . . . LOL . . . Ah the magic of it all . . . a culture's mission of mind
control . . . to paraphrase your own description of Coinkydink, you're a sloppy mess and just
another preying Christian viper on a mission for a cultural herd bound for mythical glory . . .
and when you get in trouble again it will be Men like Thomas Paine that fish your bacon out of
the fire . . . so you may once again hold the freedom to be a leader of cultic fools. :)
Stephen James
In Response To Murray
Monday May 13, 2002 at 12:01
Your the one who has been deceived. Instead of just opening your mouth and proclaiming
yourself to be a messenger of God's Truth like Jim Jones did and like David Koresh did, how
about some kind of proof that every nutso in the world cannot provide?
You don't have any because you are just as deceived as those you believe you can save. Your
life is a wasted one, spent trying to lead others down a path of Hatred and Intolerance through
an Evil religion with so much innocent blood on it's hands it flows like a river off of them.
Stephen James
In Response To Sim
Monday May 13, 2002 at 11:56
RE: Your 9:06. Is that your "answer"? LMAO! I know Jesus better than Sim does, I know
Jesus better than Sim does. I love answers like that.
Just think...someone looked in here today who is contemplating becoming a Christian, they
saw my question and since they too read Jesus' words on drinking poison they were looking
for a good answer to confirm their decision.
I think you just helped swayed them my way by proving that some Jesus words are
junk...thanx!
Murray
In Response To Jeanie pt 4
Monday May 13, 2002 at 11:01
And, because you have been deceived and bought such a pack of lies, you are also self
deceived and not upright in your dealings with others. You ask me questions which I labor to
answer and then literally give no response to my answers. I give substantive replies and you
attack me instead of dealing with the substance. You slam the views of others but take great
umbrage when yours are treated likewise. In the final analysis, you seem to want a god that
makes you happy and just kind of understands and goes along with everything you do. A god
that is happy with all religions because somehow they seek him even though they don't. Pretty
much you've got everything backwards. Sin and deception do that.
Murray
In Response To Jeanie pt 3
Monday May 13, 2002 at 11:01
All of these things work together for me to produce a picture of a person who is either not
saved or backslidden. One on hand, I see you disbelieving what is true and, on the other hand,
allowing too many things to be true that are not. It is not that all religions are wells reaching
down to the one source. It is not just all God out there in the spiritual realms, there is a great
realm of deception as well. God gives us discernment, but I believe you've either never had it
or thrown it off. Why, I don't know. It's very painful to see you being so deceived, though, I
can tell you that. Maybe you don't want to relinquish certain sins or an ideal of God that you
would like for yourself or whatever, I don't know, but, frankly, you are a mess.
Murray
In Response To Jeanie pt 2
Monday May 13, 2002 at 11:01
The father in the parable of the prodigal son did not go out and have fellowship with his son
when he was in the far country. The son had to come to some level of recognition that he had
offended the father and take steps back to him. I don't know what it is with you exactly. You
tell me. Do you not realize that even if we are born again or enlightened or whatever we agree
to call it for now that we can and do offend God? Sin by another name. Also, there is a
sharpness and a definition to a life that walks with God that I do not see in you, frankly. I am
probably as tired of it as you are but I see you as being vaguely mystical and professing a
sappy and I would add sloppy universalism.
Murray
In Response To Jeanie
Monday May 13, 2002 at 11:01
It is your placement, or perhaps more accurately misplacement of Jesus that bothers me
greatly. I have tried to engage you in a conversation about that based on the writings of George
Fox any number of times and you do not stay with me in it and give thoughtful and substantive
answers despite great time, effort, energy study and prayer on my part all to the end of
engaging you on this subject. This, of course, is very painful to me, but I see that as a price I
have to pay and I am not playing a martyr role. Just being honest. Also, I do not see you as
dealing properly with sin or, if you like it this way, what offends God. You just seem to have a
view of God that takes that distorts the proper view of God's acceptance of us. (cont'd)
Sim 2
In Response To GerryB
Monday May 13, 2002 at 10:32
Morning:
We had a "strong front" move through this morning, lots of rains and strong winds, the "juice"
was off for a time and my APC has a bad battery. (Aux power unit for computer), something
else to "FIX", not that I don't have enough to fix already, but HAY, if ya want all the "TOYS"
ya have to "pay the price". LOL
GerryB.
Monday May 13, 2002 at 10:31
Only God can forgive sin. Not a priest, not a church. Only God has that power.
Sim 2
In Response To RonB
Monday May 13, 2002 at 10:24
A "confessor" is a priest -- and it is a priest that absolves sin in the Catholic Church.
How does he "Absolve sin"???
Thw ages of sin is death, shedding of the blood of the sinner, and without the shedding of the
sinner blood, there is "NO REMISSION". (of sin)
Jesus had to "die for us", without his death, our sins would not be "remitted".
So How does a priest "absolve sin" without dying, Jesus couldn't, even after asking the Father
in the Garden.
GerryB.
In Response To Brother Sim
Monday May 13, 2002 at 10:22
RE: "The "path is "straight and "NARROW", Only "ONE PATH", only "ONE WELL"."
Right on. Please keep on telling it as it is.
Sim 2
In Response To Coinkdink
Monday May 13, 2002 at 10:14
And there are many wells that reach down to the same source of water.
WRONG!!!
The "path is "straight and "NARROW", Only "ONE PATH", only "ONE WELL".
The wages of sin is death, and Jesus is the "ONLY PERSON" who ever lived and did not
have any sin of his own for which to pay, "THEREFORE", only JESUS is able to die for the
sins of someone else.
Ac 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given
among men, whereby we must be saved.
"ALL have sinned", (except Jesus)
Heb 9:22
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