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Subject: Moratorium


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Date Posted: 18:18:36 04/22/05 Fri

Is it just me or is the former Asgard such a beautiful landmark in the Village? We should be really proud to have it still standing, unable to be changed into something which, God forbid, would bring in revenue. Instead it will suffer the fate of Village red tape. Remember, nothing can be built because of the moratorium, compliaments of the board. Good day, Jacquelyn Colwell

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[> Subject: Moratorium or not, what could possibly go there


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Date Posted: 04:40:33 04/23/05 Sat

No parking on street or of it's own, they had to make a deal with the auto parts for parking, Pathmark will tow.

with all the empty stores who wants it

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[> Subject: No, compliments of you


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Date Posted: 19:01:29 04/27/05 Wed

The moratorium was a reaction to you defacing the village.

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[> [> Subject: a reaction


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Date Posted: 15:52:27 04/30/05 Sat


The village defaces it's self no one has to do it.

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[> [> Subject: What a genius you are!!


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Date Posted: 04:55:15 05/01/05 Sun

Of course the EPI is the reason. In case you are not aware, personal vandettas are not only illegal but they are in very poor taste. Using the EPI as the reason for the moratorium only makes the rest of the village suffer financially. Check your current taxe bill. While you are at it, how about gettting your head out of your @$$

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[> [> [> Subject: ER GOV.


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Date Posted: 23:26:08 05/01/05 Sun

Government-business partnerships is characteristic of economic fascism is that private property and business ownership are permitted, but are in reality controlled by government through a business-government “partnership.”

Mussolini viewed these liberal ideas (in the European sense of the word “liberal”) as the antithesis of fascism: “The Fascist conception of life,” Mussolini wrote, “stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with the State. It is opposed to classical liberalism [which] denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual."

The essence of fascism, therefore, is that government should be the master, not the servant, of the people. Think about this.

In Mussolini’s Italy, businesses were grouped by the government into legally recognized “syndicates” such as the “National Fascist Confederation of Commerce,” the “National Fascist Confederation of Credit and Insurance,” and so on. All of these “fascist confederations” were “coordinated” by a network of government planning agencies called “corporations,” one for each industry. One large “National Council of Corporations” served as a national overseer of the individual “corporations” and had the power to “issue regulations of a compulsory character.”

Whenever politicians start talking about “collaboration” with business, it is time to hold on to your wallet. Despite the fascist rhetoric about “national collaboration” and working for the national, rather than private, interests, the truth is that mercantilist and Protectionist practices riddled the system. Italian social critic Gaetano Salvemini wrote in 1936 that under corporatism, “it is the state, i.e., the taxpayer, who has become responsible to private enterprise.

The whole idea behind collectivism in general and fascism in particular is to make citizens subservient to the state and to place power over resource allocation in the hands of a small elite

Many American politicians who have advocated more or less total government control over economic activity have been more devious in their approach. They have advocated and adopted many of the same policies, but they have always recognized that direct attacks on private property, free enterprise, self-government, and individual freedom are not politically palatable to the majority of the American electorate. Thus, they have enacted a great many tax, regulatory, and income-transfer policies that achieve the ends of economic fascism, but which are sugar-coated with deceptive rhetoric about their alleged desire only to “save” capitalism.

Sure is ugly the village that runs on fascism.



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[> [> [> Subject: vandettas


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Date Posted: 15:17:50 05/05/05 Thu

It is the village that has the vandettas. That way it can dehumanize it's victims. The village will have all the "reasons" to attack it's prey. The village will get people to believe the made up reasons. That is how the village can look good while it does it's evil. The village doesn't want any parking until it can own all the property. It doesn't want anyone to do well.

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[> Subject: your Asgard example is flawed


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Date Posted: 01:35:07 05/02/05 Mon

As in the other post the Asgard has a lot going againt it for over a decade prior to the moratorium. If you wanted to tear down the EPI fine. The EPI was not any landmark that needed perserving. We have a mill house few visit, I have ! have all here? I was for the check cashing store, at least it filled the store and WAS NEEDED by some in the village. Few wanted the tattoo piercing store, well it closed on it's own. That could have happend to the check cashing store too.

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[> [> Subject: mill


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Date Posted: 15:39:04 05/03/05 Tue

"We have a mill house few visit",

because it is not the mill house and every one knows it
it is a barn built the same time as the mill
all parts of the mill were moved from over by the railroad tracks because landfill was put there for the train.
boats were in the harbor and the mills were over by the train near pathmark. there was a river. no one puts mills where the boats were docked and shipping and building was going on.

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[> [> [> Subject: Flawed again


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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 00:50:58 05/06/05 Fri

It's sad that most posts here are lunatic ratings without any substance or backup confirmation

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East Rockaway Grist Mill Museum
Welcome to the Grist Mill Museum's official website. The mill is a 300 year old building. It was a grist mill located on the Mill River , built by Joseph Haviland in 1688. It was purchased by Alexander Davison in 1818. It is now a museum in Memorial Park, East Rockaway, NY. Free Admission, handicap accessible, open 1-5 Saturday and Sunday, beginning of June until Labor Day.

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The mill was previously called the Haviland-Davison Grist Mill after Joseph Haviland, who built it on Ocean Avenue in 1688, and Alexander Davison, who bought it in 1818. In 1962, the Village acquired it, moved it to Memorial Park, and restored it, giving it its present name when it opened to the public in 1965. Damaged by arson in 1990, the mill has been completely restored.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Grist Mill Museum


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Date Posted: 18:16:57 05/07/05 Sat

It is called the Grist Mill Museum because they can't call it the mill. They have to call it the Grist Mill "Museum".
If you look inside of it you will see there is no place where the working mill parts were.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Sad you believe one of the biggest lies


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Date Posted: 18:49:29 05/07/05 Sat

The other message is right, What they claim to be a mill is a barn built about the same time as the Mill. If you look there are no holes for the belts that ran the waterwheel or any another signs of it being a working Mill.The belts would have run 2 stories. It is all part of the lies and cover ups.
That is why the building which was once a bar is so important. It is part of the cover up. The village doesn't want anyone to find out that they are calling a barn a mill.
It is sad you don't know any history and believe four or five sentences.
This is one of the biggest scams in the village.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: ok it's a museum ,, still old, and still nobody..


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Date Posted: 06:29:36 05/10/05 Tue

wants the Asgard

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Asgard


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Date Posted: 16:52:48 05/10/05 Tue

The Asgard will prove the village has lied for years about the barn. That is why they don't want it. The mill stone is said to be holding up the Asgard. The Asgard was built around the same time as the barn. If that is true or not I don't know. It is what some people say.
The museum is a wonderful place the only thing wronge is how the village lied.
The Asgard would be something wonderful but we all know how the village is.
See what lying does. If they lie about that can you understand how many other lies there are?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The question still stands, ""The Asgard""


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Date Posted: 17:00:39 05/13/05 Fri

""The Asgard would be something wonderful but we all know how the village is""

The question still stands, even "IF" the old mill stone is holding up the Asgard....

"Moratorium or not, what could possibly go there"

It's a bad location in todays world, and we don't need a second museum to support. It still is a poor example to use in relation to the EPI situation..

"Moratorium or not, re: the Asgard....
what could possibly go there ? ? ?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Asgard


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Date Posted: 16:53:11 05/15/05 Sun

The "Mill"/Barn was moved so why not have the real mill moved?
Because the village is covering up a lie.
Get it?
It is all about the village covering up lies. You want to go around making up excuses for the lies the village tells have a good time. I am sure you are paid well.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Call it 3 decades ago I was in the Asgard


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Date Posted: 06:59:54 05/16/05 Mon

Now I can't say it was a mill or recall much of what it looked like inside. I have no idea if the mill stone is holding it up or not. Yet what started off this line of messages was the comment to change the Asgard into something that will "bring in revenue" and I and others here have found a LOT of fault in trying to tie any Moratorium to the fate of the Asgard or it bringing in revenue.

"Is it just me or is the former Asgard such a beautiful landmark in the Village? We should be really proud to have it still standing, unable to be changed into something which, God forbid, would bring in revenue"


now the last comment was to move the Asgard! I say tear it down. Does ER need another old building to take care of. HOW many SANE residents really want to rehab the old Asgard/mill/ or what ever it was.

""The "Mill"/Barn was moved so why not have the real mill moved?
Because the village is covering up a lie.""

Lets also move that old bar that seems to be hated and every Victorian house slated for demolition.

"You want to go around making up excuses for the lies the village tells have a good time. I am sure you are paid well."

yes I am paid well, not by anything connected to the village in any form. I'm just a resident. After reading the junk posted here I'll take what you call the lies of the village any day over the irrational comments posted here.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: just a resident


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Date Posted: 16:42:23 05/16/05 Mon

That is why the south shore is not as nice as the north shore of long island. the people on the south shore really could care less about anything old.
The south shore is all about every thing new and because they think it means money. Little do they know that people with money don't go south of 25a. If you go north of 25a and off the main roads it is all old buildings.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I love old buildings, furniture, clocks, tools and history


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Date Posted: 08:39:42 05/17/05 Tue

yet they all have their place. I took a good look at the outside of the Asgard today from the lot of the auto parts store and I can see how at one time it very well may have been a mill.

I have tools and clocks and books and other items over a hundred years old. Some heirlooms , many collected at tag sales, if you like old stuff you'd be impressed with what I have.


Yet the Asgard has been changed far from what it once was. Year Renovated 1984. There are many better examples of grist mills in the region. The roads and structures around the Asgard make it difficult to have it """"bringing in revenue."" There is no """"Moratorium"""" that affected the fate of the Asgard. The village has little need to support another old building just due to it's old. Especially one that is now changed so much that it's classed as a Restaurant, Full Service And Beverages NOT historic old building , If I were the owner who is not listed online but can be found in the records in Minneola , I would just abandon it than keep paying taxes on it. Let the village have it and have to pay for its CARE or DEMOLITION

note the assessors records only go back to 1926 or so , so according to those records nothing is older than 1926


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Roll Year 2005-2006 Property Dimensions 75 X 71 I Liber & Page 11323300
Item Number 3045 Property Size Code Change Order Number
NYS School Code 282019 Property Class Code 421.14 Change Date 5072
NYS SWIS Code 282005 Land Title Restaurant, Full Service And Beverages Lot Grouping
Land Category Commercial Land Description
Year : 2003
Building ID 1 0 0 0 0 0
Building Height 1.5 0 0 0 0 0
Floor Key A
Floor # 1.5 0 0 0 0 0
Occupany 221 0 0 0 0 0
Rental Units 1
Struct Class D
Exterior Walls 9 0 0 0 0 0
Heating AC 9 0
Q Grade C
First GFA 2000 0 0 0 0 0
Total GFA 2448 0 0 0 0 0
Floor Height 10 0 0 0 0 0
LF Walls 297 0 0 0 0 0
Basement Floor 0 0 0 0 0 0
Basement Utility 0
New Year 1926 0 0 0 0 0
Year Renovated 1984 0 0 0 0 0
Renovating Rating 3
Condition G
Observed Age 55 0 0 0 0 0
Status O


Values used for County/Town '05' and School ('04-05') Values used for County/Town '06' and School ('05-06') Values used for County/Town '07' and School ('06-07') Appraised
Values Land $83,900 $83,900 $93,100 Building $73,600 $73,600 $72,100 Total $157,500 $157,500 $165,200 % of Appraised
Value * 1% 1% 1% Assessed
Value ** Land 839 839 931 Building 736 736 721 Total 1575 1575 1652

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: if ya look at that tax map boats are stored on what used to be parking for the Asgard


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Date Posted: 02:49:29 05/20/05 Fri

So does Davisons own the asgard or rent the old parking of the Asgard, and wasn't there a mesage that Davisons always puts up the Republican signs. So is this the fate of the Asgard

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: you are so correct !


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Date Posted: 22:44:59 05/17/05 Tue

""After reading the junk posted here I'll take what you call the lies of the village any day over the irrational comments posted here."""

the post with any backup sources is rare here , just a bunch of NUTS for the most part, spewing their vile delusional comments as truth.

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[> Subject: Tearing it down now , did you advise them to do this


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Date Posted: 01:11:04 08/29/05 Mon

Las I saw Guys with Davisons
T-shirts were working on the fence, and the rear lot was cleared. A quick look driving by on Atlantic, it looks like the rear wall was down. Could be the entire "HISTORIC" building will be gone by the end of this week. They might even find that old mill stone rumored to be in the water?


like I wrote before, it's been altered far from a place to perserve for history's sake, at the expense of the taxpayers

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