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Date Posted: 12:38:28 11/12/01 Mon
Author: USUBlue
Subject: Re: What is the IV community turnover over a 4-6 yr span?
In reply to: BMF 's message, "What is the IV community turnover over a 4-6 yr span?" on 11:05:29 11/12/01 Mon

I think we all agree about what's needed for athletic success, but I had to correct a misstatement. USU is indeed one of the top academic schools in the country. It is 1 of about 80 schools in the country that is a Carnegie I Research institution like Cal and Stanford. In space science, agriculture, nutrition, food science, etc., USU is in the Top 10 in the nation and world.

>Academic reputation? If you look around the BWC...,
>all of the California schools are in the upper half
>nationally. USU is not. Neither is Idaho. But
>yet..., they have much stronger support. There
>appears to be no correlation between academic success
>and athletic support. Women? agreed. But CP & LBSU
>have them too. Probably UCI too.
>
>I think we agree that consistent support comes from
>alumni and the community. And that it is critical.
>
>
>>I think both of you are on the right track on
>>understanding the current status of the BW in hoops
>>and other sports, and what potential it has. Alumni
>>support & involvement is critical and if you look at
>>the schools really only USU is strong in this area.
>>Of all the other schools I really feel that UCSB has
>>the most potential to achieve similar support and
>>become a much greater athletic power. Of course I am
>>biased to an extent but I also have some concrete
>>reasons for this:
>>1. Unlike most schools in the Big West, UCSB is not a
>>commuter school and Isla Vista is definitely a college
>>town. The importance of this is when you live on or
>>near your university and the entire town revolves
>>around the school, the relationship with the school
>>becomes much stronger, leading for greater chance for
>>support after graduation.
>>2. UCSB is the only sports option in their area.
>>Unlike the LA area schools which have to compete with
>>UCLA & USC, plus pro teams, for sports fans, the
>>Gauchos are the only show in town. When they were
>>good ten years ago, they had no problem selling out
>>the T-Dome. If they can compete, there is at least
>>great potential to get local support.
>>3. The school itself; Top 50 in academics in US News
>>Report, on the beach, the women; definitely an assett
>>for recruiting.
>>
>>Again, the reasons above are why I think UCSB has the
>>POTENTIAL to be a very strong athletic program in
>>non-football sports year in and year out, they aren't
>>there now.
>>Some reasons I think they aren't there:
>>1. The bigger sports fans (that will provide support
>>as alums) tend not to go to UCSB or other Big West
>>schools, they go to the UCLAs, Utahs, etc.
>>2. UCSB still is weaning itself off the
>>anti-establishment, anti-sports mentality it had in
>>the 60s & 70s. See the Cal Bears and how great their
>>football team has been since the 1950s.
>>3. Lack of tradition. Nice little run in the late
>>80s/early 90s, that's it.
>>4. Lack of a major arena. Although the Thunderdome
>>is near & dear to my heart and is still far & away the
>>loudest (not to mention funnest) sports arena I've
>>ever been in, as for recruiting, it still has a very
>>gym-like feel and just doesn't shout Big Time to a
>>potential recruit.
>>5. The Big West itself. Since UNLV left, no team has
>>made a real splash on the national scene. Not
>>certain, but I don't think we've even had a sweet 16
>>team since Vegas.
>>
>>I feel that eventually UCSB will be consistently in
>>the top three of the conference sharing time with USU,
>>Long Beach, Pacific, & UCI.

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My apoligies.... -- BMF, 18:14:29 11/12/01 Mon