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Date Posted: 18:14:29 11/12/01 Mon
Author: BMF
Subject: My apoligies....
In reply to: USUBlue 's message, "Re: What is the IV community turnover over a 4-6 yr span?" on 12:38:28 11/12/01 Mon

I was thinking of US News and World Reports rankings. Being recognized by the Carnegie Foundation is an honor.

>I think we all agree about what's needed for athletic
>success, but I had to correct a misstatement. USU is
>indeed one of the top academic schools in the country.
> It is 1 of about 80 schools in the country that is a
>Carnegie I Research institution like Cal and Stanford.
> In space science, agriculture, nutrition, food
>science, etc., USU is in the Top 10 in the nation and
>world.
>
>
>>Academic reputation? If you look around the BWC...,
>>all of the California schools are in the upper half
>>nationally. USU is not. Neither is Idaho. But
>>yet..., they have much stronger support. There
>>appears to be no correlation between academic success
>>and athletic support. Women? agreed. But CP & LBSU
>>have them too. Probably UCI too.
>>
>>I think we agree that consistent support comes from
>>alumni and the community. And that it is critical.
>>
>>
>>>I think both of you are on the right track on
>>>understanding the current status of the BW in hoops
>>>and other sports, and what potential it has. Alumni
>>>support & involvement is critical and if you look at
>>>the schools really only USU is strong in this area.
>>>Of all the other schools I really feel that UCSB has
>>>the most potential to achieve similar support and
>>>become a much greater athletic power. Of course I am
>>>biased to an extent but I also have some concrete
>>>reasons for this:
>>>1. Unlike most schools in the Big West, UCSB is not
>a
>>>commuter school and Isla Vista is definitely a
>college
>>>town. The importance of this is when you live on or
>>>near your university and the entire town revolves
>>>around the school, the relationship with the school
>>>becomes much stronger, leading for greater chance for
>>>support after graduation.
>>>2. UCSB is the only sports option in their area.
>>>Unlike the LA area schools which have to compete with
>>>UCLA & USC, plus pro teams, for sports fans, the
>>>Gauchos are the only show in town. When they were
>>>good ten years ago, they had no problem selling out
>>>the T-Dome. If they can compete, there is at least
>>>great potential to get local support.
>>>3. The school itself; Top 50 in academics in US News
>>>Report, on the beach, the women; definitely an assett
>>>for recruiting.
>>>
>>>Again, the reasons above are why I think UCSB has the
>>>POTENTIAL to be a very strong athletic program in
>>>non-football sports year in and year out, they aren't
>>>there now.
>>>Some reasons I think they aren't there:
>>>1. The bigger sports fans (that will provide support
>>>as alums) tend not to go to UCSB or other Big West
>>>schools, they go to the UCLAs, Utahs, etc.
>>>2. UCSB still is weaning itself off the
>>>anti-establishment, anti-sports mentality it had in
>>>the 60s & 70s. See the Cal Bears and how great their
>>>football team has been since the 1950s.
>>>3. Lack of tradition. Nice little run in the late
>>>80s/early 90s, that's it.
>>>4. Lack of a major arena. Although the Thunderdome
>>>is near & dear to my heart and is still far & away
>the
>>>loudest (not to mention funnest) sports arena I've
>>>ever been in, as for recruiting, it still has a very
>>>gym-like feel and just doesn't shout Big Time to a
>>>potential recruit.
>>>5. The Big West itself. Since UNLV left, no team
>has
>>>made a real splash on the national scene. Not
>>>certain, but I don't think we've even had a sweet 16
>>>team since Vegas.
>>>
>>>I feel that eventually UCSB will be consistently in
>>>the top three of the conference sharing time with
>USU,
>>>Long Beach, Pacific, & UCI.

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