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Date Posted: 11:05:29 11/12/01 Mon
Author: BMF
Subject: What is the IV community turnover over a 4-6 yr span?
In reply to: GauchoFreg 's message, "Re: Grass Roots - or - initiated by school" on 23:53:19 11/11/01 Sun

I want to agree with you..., but I am having trouble with your comment - that IV is a college town. I see IV as being apart of SB. A much larger town that is not necessarily "college" oriented.

IV may be rather large - I don't know. My impression is that it is disproportionately college students. If alumni support were to come from this town... how many alumni are actually there? What is the 4 to 6 year turnover rate of residents? If there are very few people there that remain for years and years (perhaps alumni?) then it's pretty darn hard to have a strong community based support network.

Strong support would reveal itself with high attendance and financial numbers regardless of expected/anticiapted season perfromance. I don't see this at UCSB. I don't see year in and year out loyal support coming from IV. I see the whole SB area as being the UCSB market. And with that in mind, I don't see UCSB as having a significant advantage/potential over anybody except those with a commuter school reputation. Shall I say Fullerton?

Academic reputation? If you look around the BWC..., all of the California schools are in the upper half nationally. USU is not. Neither is Idaho. But yet..., they have much stronger support. There appears to be no correlation between academic success and athletic support. Women? agreed. But CP & LBSU have them too. Probably UCI too.

I think we agree that consistent support comes from alumni and the community. And that it is critical.


>I think both of you are on the right track on
>understanding the current status of the BW in hoops
>and other sports, and what potential it has. Alumni
>support & involvement is critical and if you look at
>the schools really only USU is strong in this area.
>Of all the other schools I really feel that UCSB has
>the most potential to achieve similar support and
>become a much greater athletic power. Of course I am
>biased to an extent but I also have some concrete
>reasons for this:
>1. Unlike most schools in the Big West, UCSB is not a
>commuter school and Isla Vista is definitely a college
>town. The importance of this is when you live on or
>near your university and the entire town revolves
>around the school, the relationship with the school
>becomes much stronger, leading for greater chance for
>support after graduation.
>2. UCSB is the only sports option in their area.
>Unlike the LA area schools which have to compete with
>UCLA & USC, plus pro teams, for sports fans, the
>Gauchos are the only show in town. When they were
>good ten years ago, they had no problem selling out
>the T-Dome. If they can compete, there is at least
>great potential to get local support.
>3. The school itself; Top 50 in academics in US News
>Report, on the beach, the women; definitely an assett
>for recruiting.
>
>Again, the reasons above are why I think UCSB has the
>POTENTIAL to be a very strong athletic program in
>non-football sports year in and year out, they aren't
>there now.
>Some reasons I think they aren't there:
>1. The bigger sports fans (that will provide support
>as alums) tend not to go to UCSB or other Big West
>schools, they go to the UCLAs, Utahs, etc.
>2. UCSB still is weaning itself off the
>anti-establishment, anti-sports mentality it had in
>the 60s & 70s. See the Cal Bears and how great their
>football team has been since the 1950s.
>3. Lack of tradition. Nice little run in the late
>80s/early 90s, that's it.
>4. Lack of a major arena. Although the Thunderdome
>is near & dear to my heart and is still far & away the
>loudest (not to mention funnest) sports arena I've
>ever been in, as for recruiting, it still has a very
>gym-like feel and just doesn't shout Big Time to a
>potential recruit.
>5. The Big West itself. Since UNLV left, no team has
>made a real splash on the national scene. Not
>certain, but I don't think we've even had a sweet 16
>team since Vegas.
>
>I feel that eventually UCSB will be consistently in
>the top three of the conference sharing time with USU,
>Long Beach, Pacific, & UCI.

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