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Date Posted: 13:30:40 11/13/01 Tue
Author: BMF
Subject: Okay, I re-read your original post.
In reply to: GauchoFreg 's message, "Re: What is the IV community turnover over a 4-6 yr span?" on 22:11:44 11/12/01 Mon

Okay..., I re-read your original post. I think I agree with you that UCSB has a lot of potential for generating long-term loyal support that can withstand short term sub par performances on the court or field (Attendance & financial donations). Your three reasons are solid.

However, I take exception to your #1 point where you cited IV as being an advantage - assumming that the college community that it is can provide financial support. IV may very well be a separate community and indeed provide a college town environment. BUT, if there are few alumni there..., or few residents that can say they are "rooted" there (we're talking long term residents with little inclination to leave and have vested interested in the long term future of the community - we'll say 'established'), there is very little potential present to generate a strong base for financial donations to the extent of building/rebuilding facilities or augmenting existing scholarship funds. For this, you'd have to look to a larger area and include SB.

I am not saying UCSB does not have the potential... I am saying UCSB would have to include SB as it's base - not rely on IV.

BTW, how big is IV and what proportion are either UCSB or community college students? If I am correct, this proportion is VERY high. If it is VERY high, are there enough established people that have a vested interest in the community that can provide a large enough base to support UCSB athletics by way of attendance and financial donations - even when performance on the court or field is sub par over a period of time?

>>IV may be rather large - I don't know. My impression
>>is that it is disproportionately college students. If
>>alumni support were to come from this town... how many
>>alumni are actually there? What is the 4 to 6 year
>>turnover rate of residents? If there are very few
>>people there that remain for years and years (perhaps
>>alumni?) then it's pretty darn hard to have a strong
>>community based support network.
>>
>>Strong support would reveal itself with high
>>attendance and financial numbers regardless of
>>expected/anticiapted season perfromance. I don't see
>>this at UCSB. I don't see year in and year out loyal
>>support coming from IV. I see the whole SB area as
>>being the UCSB market. And with that in mind, I don't
>>see UCSB as having a significant advantage/potential
>>over anybody except those with a commuter school
>>reputation. Shall I say Fullerton?
>
>BMF, please read my original post again as I don't
>think you understood my message. One, as zzzza
>clarified, Isla Vista is very much a seperate entity
>from Santa Barbara and is very much a college town
>which of course will have a transient population. The
>importance of being a college town is that this
>setting tends to foster a closer relationship with
>one's school as compared to that of a commuter school
>where the student is only on campus for classes then
>leaves the area. In my opinion, students who feel
>closer to their school will more likely support it
>afterwards.
>
>2. I am not claiming that UCSB has strong alumni &
>local support now but that it has great POTENTIAL to
>have it, and is in better postition to gain support
>than other schools in the conference save for USU.
>
>3. My job takes me onto many of the campuses of the
>Big West, including UCI & Long Beach, we definitely
>have hotter women, not even close!

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Re: Okay, I re-read your original post. -- GauchoFreg, 23:11:07 11/13/01 Tue