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Date Posted: 4/01/03 6:21pm
In reply to:
Amorette
's message, "Status of AIs and sentient ships" on 3/01/03 10:46am
>I don't know if they are slaves, per se, although in
>"The Knight, Death and the Devil," some of the ships
>obviously felt that way.
>
>You also have the problem that the avatar is a
>connected but still separate entity from the ship
>itself. Rion could leave the Clarion's Call, (on
>which, I assume, the core AI was so completely damaged
>it no longer had sentience) and assume another ship.
>
>If a ship truly wished to leave the fleet, I think it
>might be decommissioned, weapons removed, secret
>information deleted, and allowed to go on its way but
>would something that was CREATED to be a soldier--as
>Rion said he was--ever really want to wander off and
>be a cruise ship? Would they not see their mission as
>protectors of the Commonwealth as central to their
>identity?
Yes, they probably would, but that is the central problem here. If you create something and give it a specific purpose, and, although it may have some decision capabilities, you programm it specifically that it would not want to choose another purpose, then you have not created a free, sentient being. At least, not in the sense that humans are.
>And do all sentient beings wish to reproduce? I
>don't. I made considerable effort and took on expense
>over the years specifically to avoid reproduction.
>Maybe the ships have no interest in having children.
>Part of the parental nature is raising and nuturing a
>child when I assume AIs are sort of like Athena, born
>adult, although lacking in personal experience, and
>don't need a period of nuture to grow.
Wish no, but they should have the option. Raising and nurturing is not strictly bound on the physical growth itself. And mentally, even AIs grow, they learn and experience new things. Helping an AI offspring to do this, could be considered parentage.
>If you feel your duty in life--and you were created to
>feel this way--is to BE a warship, maybe you can't
>really be anything else. Is this slavery? No, not in
>the sense that you have no option. You have the
>option, you just have no reason to take the step of
>changing what you are, in your very essence.
I disagree. If someone puts a mind controlling device around your neck, that forces you to act as a slave and also makes you not want anything else, then, although you might have the same liberties as other person have, you would still be a slave, would you not?
>They may want some choices as to assignments, they
>want to be asked their opinions about what the next
>step of action is, but they take orders and they are
>soldiers. None of the ships, when given the choice,
>chose "freedom." They chose to remain what they are.
That is true. But is it because they couldn't choose anything else, or is it because they really chose so, of their own free will?
If you were the military, would you build expensive, dangerous ships and upon completion first ask them whether they want to be soldiers for you? Thus taking the risk that they decide otherwise?
Darkness
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