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Date Posted: 4/01/03 7:15pm
In reply to:
Darkness
's message, "Re: Any interest in a mildly philosophical discussion?" on 4/01/03 6:07pm
I see what you are saying. I think a lot depends on how the CW or creators feel about AI's, which we don't really know. It is possible that should an AI choose to leave their position on a ship, they would simply be allowed to do so. They would be given an order not to discuss any of the information they hold and that would be it. Same as is done with a retiring soldier. For all we know, they are treated just like a soldier in that regard.
Yes, while an AI is "born" an adult, I believe they still have choices as to how to live their lives. Dylan was not going to stop Rommie from leaving with Gabrial in Star Crossed, nor was he going to erase her. I'm sure if it was normal procedure to tell her she would have certain memories erased, etc, he would have especially in hopes that it would have gotten her to stay.
My feeling is that AI's are very much needed in this time and were treated with a great deal of respect. Now, do all creators feel this way, I seriously doubt it. I have no doubt some creators would treat them as slaves.
As to the CW my feeling is that they treated the them as equals. With rights of choice, just like anyone else.
>>I don't consider them slaves anymore than I would
>>consider a career military person a slave. Someone in
>>the military is told where to live, how to dress, how
>>to act, is given orders to follow, etc. They could be
>>considered a slave of the government. Now, the
>>difference is that this person has made a choice, in
>>most cases, to be a part of the military where the AI
>>had no choice. But yet, we have no choice to be born
>>or not, that choice is made for us. So, are we slaves
>>to our parents?
>
>No, but the birth is not the point. It's about having
>a freedom of choice. When we reach adulthood, we can
>choose our path in life. Since A.I.s are already born
>adult, they don't have any choice as we do. Besides,
>if your parents had decided that you should be a
>soldier when you grow up and nothing else, and had in
>fact semi-brainwashed (programmed) you, so that you
>yourself would only want to be a soldier, do you think
>that would have been right?
>
>>
>>I think AI's are created with a specific purpose.
>>Now, should they choose to no longer fullfill their
>>purpose, many things can happen. But to me this is
>>not different than a top level military person
>>choosing to no longer fullfill their purpose. The AI
>>can be erased, the military person killed.
>
>Ok.
>
>>The AI can
>>be re-programmed, the military person put in prison.
>
>Those two things are not equivalent. Re-programming is
>equivalent to brainwashing, with a slim chance of
>recovery.
>It means a complete restructuring of your personality.
>It means killing you, because once re-programmed it
>isn't you anymore, it's someone completely different.
>
>>The AI can be allowed to leave after critical info is
>>deleted from their memory so they are no longer a
>>threat. The military person can be given drugs to
>>eliminate certain memories and allowed to move on.
>
>Drugs? Ethically questionable, I would think ...
>
>>I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure I would go
>>so far as to say they are slaves. With regard to
>>Andromeda, Rommie has choices. Now, I don't know if
>>the CW gives all their AI's the choices Dylan gives
>>Rommie.
>>
>>But, all in all, I don't feel the AI's are any more a
>>slave than the Captain they serve under.
>
>But if a Captain quits the military service, then no
>one would erase his more confidential memories and no
>one would 'transplant' him (his personality) from an
>athletic, healthy and exceptionally capable body, into
>an overweight, sick, half-blind, half-deaf body. It
>would be a drastic change. For example, before the
>transfer, the Captain was able to run 6 miles without
>getting out of breath, had perfect sight and hearing,
>and was healthy as a horse. After the transfer, he
>would get out of breath after running 300 yards, would
>need (strong) glasses to see, his hearing would be
>less perfect and he would have allergies, high blood
>pressure and an ulcer. Hardly a satisfying option.
>
>Besides, if they have the option of leaving sometime
>later in their life, why don't the creators give them
>this choice at the very beginning? They could give the
>AIs a period of adjustment and experience after their
>creation, and then let them choose their purpose on
>their own?
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