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Date Posted: 20:17:45 05/29/04 Sat
Author: Bob
Subject: Re: another marriage by faith
In reply to: Andrew S. 's message, "another marriage by faith" on 16:56:22 05/29/04 Sat

Hi Andrew,

Looks like Andy Stumpf is getting a UBF arranged marraige, which Brian Karcher (Detroit UBF) would say is arranged only by God and not by men. Hah! There was probably a certain amount of coersion involved to get him this far into the process. But we never see this. But if you read between the lines in his "2004 Spring Retreat/Report" you may sense that he is having a good deal of anxiety/doubt about going through with all this. He is worried about his poverty, etc. Should he be worried about this? Most likely. Is he worried about other stuff too? Has he even met Jennifer? Has he met her say more than once in passing at a conference some where? Are his parents (the Stumpf family) allowed to even have any say or take part in the process? Maybe not. Most likely not.

You have called Andy "brilliant". But I think he has been royally hoodwinked. Yes, he is intelligent. Yes, he's going to do a PHD in philosophy. But do you notice any absence of critical thinking here? In fact Workhard Yoon is smarter than Andy and has him just where he wants him - isolated,
puffed up and broke. And controlling his marital and family destiny completely. You're right, we need to pray for him, especially to open his eyes and break free through all this.

Amongst the many saddening things in this report, I think one of the saddest is Andy's rationalization of his rejection at UofT and his winning the scholarship for his studies at Waterloo. He dissed himself, saying that his desire to go to UofT was worldy anyway. I tend to disagree as the UofT is a definately a superior educational experience for sure. He should have kept trying. And yet going to UofT is worldly, leaving Waterloo to go to Toronto is worldly, blah, blah, blah. I think that Workhard has got him in the trap. He will stay in Waterloo, study in Waterloo, marry in Waterloo and be trapped in the Waterloo UBF. He will be Workhards little Abraham-of-faith

You said, "the brothers and sisters in Waterloo are sincere humble Christians..". Really? If this includes Workhard Yoon, and M. Hannah Yoon remember that they were part of the lawless Winnipeg UBF cult which abused people and fled Winnipeg with out any repentance for their sins. They also have rejected any kind of reform of the UBF. They also use the same kind of cult controlling techniques used in other
UBF chapters. They are essentially isolationist, elitist and deceptive. Workhard Yoon is so proud of himself that the Waterloo UBF no longer joins the other Ontario chapters for Spring Conference but has their own (with London UBF).

Andrew, don't diss yourself about reading the bible less than you did when you were in UBF. Just resolve to study and learn it right. In UBF they seem to study it more, but the teaching is corrupted by UBF cultism. Also if you read Andy Stumpf's "Report" you will even hear from his own lips that most people participate in these activities do so half heartedly (or "insincerely"). They are going through the motions. Andy does and has, I did, most people have as well. These days my bible study is less but is totally new and wonderful.

Recently, I've been reading a really good book that has helped me towards healing by Phillip Yancey called "Soul Survivor:How Thirteen Unlikely Mentors Helped My Faith Survive the Church". I recommend it. Christian life is so much richer and more blessed outside the UBF. There's no turning back. How has God blessed/enriched your life since leaving the UBF?







>It's been 2 years since I left UBF. I was checking
>the Waterloo UBF website recently for any news about
>my old UBF friends, especially Andy Stumpf. Looks
>like they have updated with Andy's report about the
>annual Spring Retreat. In it, he mentions that he
>will be married at the end of the summer to someone
>named "Jennifer." It is greatly distressing to see my
>brilliant, compassionate old friend enter the next
>level of subjugation to UBF's will.
>I want to pray for Andy. Who is his fiancee? Is she
>a good woman? I know that the brothers and sisters in
>Waterloo are sincere, humble Christians who only
>desire to serve - but is there any hope for them to
>see the truth about the organization to which they
>belong?
>Incidentally, I cannot condemn UBF wholeheartedly. It
>is with a heavy heart that I must admit that in UBF I
>read the Bible far more often than I do now. Two
>years removed from the organization, I can start to
>see how UBF at least gave me some accountability for
>Bible reading and spiritual growth, while subsequent
>efforts to live the life of a disciple in mainstream
>church systems have met with much sin and failure.
>Although I know much more about freedom in Christ
>these days, I lack discipline. I wish I could find
>the middle ground.
>
>Anyways, any info. would be appreciated.
>Andrew

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