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Date Posted: 20:33:57 04/13/05 Wed
Author: PECAS
Subject: Re: hum... i don't understand the point here
In reply to: elia 's message, "Re: hum... i don't understand the point here" on 16:56:46 04/13/05 Wed

>why are you all thinking that all the problems are
>church problems? here they're PERSONAL problems
>between certain members. they don't have anything to
>do with manipulating leaders. if this was concerning
>"abuse", i never would write, that this none of my
>business.

Elia, you may not realize that there is abuse going on. I did not realize that I was being abused until spending five years in UBF. Even then, the abuse was right in my face with nine months of human-centered humbleness training. I continue to recall events of six or seven years ago in which I was manipulated and abused. At the time, I did not realize the abuse that went on. If you have not personally experienced being trained or disciplined in a public and embarassing manner, you may not be able to see the absuive behavior.

>
>>Christian brothers and sisters should help each other
>>with problems.
>your're absolutely right and i agree with you! but
>there are situations where so called "brothers" or
>"sisters" DON'T want to be helped at all.

This is an accurate assessment of the mindset of UBF leaders. They do not want to be helped at all. They do not want to admit they did anything wrong. My chapter director and his wife told me that they had "no regrets" about how they treated me after almost eight years in UBF. Only someone who thinks they were never wrong or perfect can have no regrets. They do not want to be helped at all. They only want to continue to abuse people and pretend that they are great servants of God.

>
>>In UBF, this is
>>one-sided. The shepherd corrects the sheep and is
>>considered a good shepherd. But, if the sheep
>>corrects the shepherd, the sheep is considered
>>disrespectful, rebellious, and proud.
>you know, i don't like generalizations (not just
>concerning ubf. i generally don't like it.)
>i'm sorry if you made such bad experiences, i really
>am. but i made different experiences.

This is not a generalization. I have never known a UBF in which the one-sided relationship is not true. In fact, my chapter director and other leaders told me that I should not offer any correction to those above me on the spiritual order. Basically, I was told that they could say and do whatever insensitive, hurtful, wrong commit they wanted to me and that I should thank and praise them for it. The evidence given on this site and others is that my statement is not merely a generalization, but fact. The benefit of rescue ubf, escape ubf, and ubf.info.de is that they reveal that the abusive behavior is just isolated within one or two chapters, but common to all chapters.

In Christ,

PECAS

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Replies:

i don't like generalizations -- Chris, 08:32:37 04/15/05 Fri

Re: i don't like generalizations -- Mike K., 10:33:09 04/16/05 Sat

Re: i don't like generalizations -- Chris, 13:56:39 04/16/05 Sat