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Date Posted: 21:57:00 04/13/05 Wed
Author: Joe
Subject: I'd like to believe
In reply to: Joe 's message, "Re: What would you consider "manipulation"?" on 17:36:16 04/13/05 Wed

>>believe me.
>
>
>Based on my experiences with the claims of rel=nofollow target=_blank >href=http://www.voy.com/60734/9736.html>other
>2ndgens (including ones that I know) in past
>months, I'll make a generalization: current UBF
>2ndgens are generally not to be believed. Understand
>that I was in your shoes when I was your age.

Know where I'm coming from. I'd like to believe that there are some in Cologne whose consciences are not seared. I know that some (half?) in Cologne find Peter Chang's methods and chapter to be repugnant. I know about the refusals to attend the ISU conference in 2001 because of the elevation of Chang to main conference messenger, at least I think that was the reason for prominent people from Cologne not attending that conference. I remember a current (?) member of Cologne (a "German Shepherd") posting here over a year ago and seeming to admit the real problems that he knew existed in UBF in general. I'd like to believe that the "internal problems" in Cologne are due in some part to people being honest about the real problems of UBF (causing conflict with those who are not honest). I'd like to believe that Cologne is not a typical "large" UBF chapter.

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Re: I'd like to believe -- elia, 15:45:25 04/14/05 Thu