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Date Posted: 06:21:33 11/27/04 Sat
Author: Mike K.
Subject: Counter questions
In reply to: A Christian Man 's message, "Sorry to post a new one again" on 02:03:14 11/26/04 Fri

One thing came to mind, If some of the terrible things that are alleged on this site really happened, then why aren't the people who perpetrated the crimes in jail?

With the same argument you could state that sexual molestation of yung boys through Catholic priests never happened. You know, the proven cases HEAVILY outnumbr the amount of perpetrators who were ever held accountable. And that's not because the RCC is a worse cult than UBF.

Let me tell you a few details that might be shocking yet to which I was eyewitness to:

when in question, the UBFleaders don't do anything by themselves, they send others for the defense (some even volunteer for that job). Those other people will even take the blame onto themselves if it cannot be diverted or denied.

How does the leader get these kind of people?
I attended one marriage ceremony in UBF, where the couple had to read out a written statement where they proclaimed that "like Priscilla and Aquila", they would "hold their necks for God's servant" should the need arise.
And yes, this includes giving false testimony in court as well as taking the blame.

Here's a story:
the head of UBF Bonn, Peter Chang, was accused of child abuse in multiple cases. When he went to court, in all cases where possible, current UBF members testified that Chang was not responsible (even though when you know UBF Bonn, Chang makes it his business to control the children of all UBF members, even in minute details like homework or sparetime activities).
In the one case where they couldn't disprove evidence or so, the legal agencies didn't do anything because it was under the statute of limitations.

Of course, UBF members from Bonn now claim that "nothing could ever be proven", but "nothing proven" and "proven, but under statute of limitations" is not the same, be careful!

I would ask you the following:
how come a leader who was PROVEN to be a child abuser before legal agencies is still in charge of child education and UBF leadership without a statement of repentance?
Is there such a thing as a statute of limitations before God and His Church?

Did you ever call the police? Did you ever press charges?
It happened.
But how do you think the evidence of 1 person is weighed in court against the testimony given by 20-30 people who all claim that this 1 person is emotionally or mentally labile?

I know that the answer is of course yes, but my first question still stands. Where is your evidence? If you have none, then what you say is hearsay, and I have no reason to believe you over them.

Like Chris also stated, if the word of 2 or 3 people isn't sufficient for you, then you should be aware that you are applying an unbiblical standard (ref. Mt 18) - and mostly, there is evidence, media, legal and private investigations, UBF-Info.de gives you an overview. None of it is hearsay but firsthand testimonies. And not everything that has happened was put into writing or could bedocumented (as much is happening in the shadows behind the scenes).

My question still stands:
how can a person who was proven, yet not convicted, to be an abuser, still be in a position of leadership, without ever having issued a statement of repentance?

This question weighs more heavily than "how come a person who has more than a handful false witnesses at their disposal won't be convicted?"

In Christ,
Mike K.

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Replies:

Witnesses? -- S.M. aka "A Christian Man", 16:15:52 11/27/04 Sat

you are a false witness -- Nick T., 16:18:17 11/27/04 Sat

Re: Witnesses? -- Board Admin, 16:19:33 11/27/04 Sat

Re: Witnesses? -- Tony Lang, 10:40:51 11/29/04 Mon
- Re: Witnesses? -- ChicagoXile, 10:48:36 11/29/04 Mon

I'm sorry, you don't seem to make sense -- Anonymous, 16:20:37 11/27/04 Sat

Differences of opinion are fine - unless you're in a cult! -- Anonymous, 18:26:54 11/27/04 Sat

Re: Witnesses? -- Mike K., 05:23:33 11/28/04 Sun

old thread moved here -- ChicagoXile, 05:46:31 11/28/04 Sun

Re: Witnesses? -- Joe, 11:53:56 11/28/04 Sun