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Date Posted: 12:09:54 10/20/04 Wed
Author: amy
Subject: Re: Let's speak about the practical life...
In reply to: Not Brian 's message, "Let's speak about the practical life..." on 04:46:08 10/20/04 Wed

>Let's not talk theoretically, Chris. I at least know
>you. Have you ever accepted training in obedience
>towards leaders as a chance to grow in love to God?
>Perhaps outwardly you did, what they wanted. But you
>never accepted it.

Not Brian, #1) We are NOT talking theoretically about Acts 5:29; we actually did experience this conflict in UBF (whether to obey our "shepherds" absolutely as they commanded us or to obey God. #2) Did Samuel Lee ever accept training from human leaders? I would like to see a list of the trainings he endured. He dished these "trainings" out (abuses really), did he ever take them? sitting naked in ice water for hours, having his underwear checked for skid marks, hot pepper in the eyes, getting hit in the ears until his eardrum burst for being late to meetings (and, by the way, I did see Lee come late to many meetings but of course he didn't get any kind of training), walking barefoot for hours in freezing temperatures (walking training was usually given for not bringing enough "sheep" on Sunday. Since Lee & his wife didn't "feed sheep" or go fishing do you think they should have accepted some training? why or why not? if so, from whom? so even though Lee didn't accept training you think that you should receive the trainings he made up? Not Brian, have you received any of the trainings listed above? how about divorce training? do you support or condemn these kinds of trainings? please explain how they have helped you?

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