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Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: AV [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Monday, December 09, 2024, 08:57: am In reply to: Shelly 's message, "teen with impacted colon" on Monday, December 09, 2024, 08:39: am Shelly, I was thinking about that 2 weeks. I think you are right, once a week would be better for her. Get her into a routine. That would help. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 09, 2024, 09:23: am AV, Kids always look forward to Fridays because they get two days off from school so I wouldn't ruin that for her. I'll tell mom I think mid week would be best. Order her to come to me like on Wed. night directly from school and we will get her enema done. As defiant and nasty she is to her mom about talking about her need to be more regular with her pooping and needing to be threatened to get a Fleet enema in her, her mom realizes that her giving daughter the enemas would be traumatic and confrontational for both. Mom said she has to make her give herself the Fleet enema in her own bedroom and then hand her the empty enema bottle on the way to the toilet because she is known to empty the enema bottle in the toilet and just pretend she took the enema. She is sneaky and sassy and fights all the way when she needs the enema so mom is thrilled I will do it for her. She is a totally different, sweet, obedient, child when here. She has never been anything but respectful about my authority as an adult [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 09, 2024, 09:35: am Kitten Paw, When I was your age I had been getting twice monthly enemas for three years. If mom would have stopped totally giving enemas in our house I know several of us would have gone totally nuts. A couple of her kids looked forward to and asked for enemas, would feign being sick so they could have an enema. Not me, but if my enemas suddenly stopped I know I would have started feigning being sick so she would give me an enema because enemas were so much a part of my psyche, so much a part of who I was, that I wanted those enemas even though at the same time I didn't want those enemas. It's a paradox I know but they are a part of your life now Kitten Paw and you expect mom to continue with your enemas. You know any time you want an enema all you have to do is piss off your dad really bad and you will get spanked and your enema. It's not a bad thing that you do that on purpose. It is not conventional parent child bonding but it is bonding. It tells you that your dad cares about you to correct you when you stray off course. Enjoy liking and not liking your enemas all in the same moment. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 09, 2024, 09:58: am AV, So much is making a lot of sense to me now. I was floored at how eager babysitter was to help give Junior his enema. And I probably stood there with my jaw slack as she started talking about her constipation and mom making her have Fleet enemas for it. She knows she is in trouble. I can only imagine the daily discomfort she has being so full of stool most days. She is not comfortable with mom trying to force bowel movements from her but she is crying out for help and she saw a possible path towards that in me. She feels comfortable talking to me because we don't have that parent child relationship that often leads to confrontations. She wants help AV! Her openness to talk to me about constipation was a cry for help. I believe things happen for a reason. She was sent to me, an enema mom, because she needs maintenance enemas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 09, 2024, 06:10: pm Shelly, I agree 100%. I know you will take care of her and help her. Your dream of wanting to give her an enema is coming true. She was also an enema child but was struggling and you were in her life as a lifesaver. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 05:50: am AV, I'm excited about getting to get to give her enemas. But now it is because of how much she needs to be kept emptied not because I wanted so badly to get to give her an enema. I get more excited controlling girls bowels than boys, I do admit that. That female to female enema bonding I got growing up with enemas is so much a part of my being. I hope there are mom's on here who are silently reading and maybe have a child that is wetting the bed or withholding stool or whom they have no idea how often and when their child poops and will take seriously the benefits of simply giving them one high enema once a week. If all mom's would ignore the politically correct 'don't be putting anything in his butt' attitude we have inherited in this generation and buy an enema bag and use it on all kids all ages it would cut millions and millions of Dr. visits for pooping issues. side note: And all too often it is the Dr. who just had his finger up your child's rectum and says her rectum is full that tells you to not be putting anything up her butt! Or the Gyno who likes to do recto-vaginal exams on young unsuspecting girls and tell them to bear down like they are trying to have a bowel movement. How is a weekly enema from mom more traumatic than those two experiences of our children with a completely strange person called a Doctor? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 09:28: am Well everyone, she is dissing me already. She is showing me her true colors. She just texted me a few minutes ago and said she had a BM this morning and she doesn't want an enema and she has a report she has to work on after school anyway. I texted back- " I will see you here right after school today, we will talk about all of that." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 10:18: am Shelly, Please follow the protocol I gave you Sunday for sitter's enema today. Keep track of what you do and her reaction to it. Her responses both verbal and physical to both parts of the enema are important to our understanding what is happening in her rectum and colon. Hope after you talk to her she is cooperative and all goes well. - Joyce [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 01:51: pm Joyce, I was hoping she would come to me today wanting to talk openly about how I could tell she was crying out to me for help. Getting sassy with me will not bode well for her. I was going to sit down with her and ease her into a discussion of how we are going to get her help to stop her suffering. With the tone of the text she sent me this morning she bought herself a little bit of shock and awe like Krissi liked to say. I'm going to have everything ready in the bathroom and from the minute she steps foot in the door until I have walked her into the bathroom, pulled her pants down, pushed her down over my leg and get her enema started only about 2 minutes will have passed. Then while she is getting her first quart enema and holding it and then sitting and getting it back out I'm going to tell her my story. My holding when I started school. The awful forced mag. citrate and pull ups at 7 years old. That awful evening at 12 years old when step mom gave something that I didn't even know existed, a huge enema from a blue bag and long tube hanging from it. And getting those enemas twice a month until I was an adult and off to school. But how I knew in my heart I got those enemas because stepmom cared. Step mom some how knew that kids don't poop often enough if left alone. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 04:16: pm She gets out of school in one hour. Mom says she has study hall last period. They don't call it study hall anymore. I forgot what mom called it. I thought she meant it was like intervention like they are in trouble or something. Anyway, she must be allowed to have her phone in there because she just texted with caps, exclamation point, "But I Had A BM This Morning!" I texted back, "That is so awesome, proud of you, so then you won't have to have a suppository". [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 05:17: pm Shelly, Go easy on her. Let her ventilate. Try to maintain her trust. But let her know that if her mom calls you will have to tell her what happened and if the enema was not completed her mom may call for the nurses to come back for another clean-out. Remember she should not use the toilet between the first and second part of the enema. If she is able to take all of the second part she will have almost two quarts in her colon and it will go almost all the way up into her colon which is the goal. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 11:11: pm I am just exhausted emotionally and physically! But I waited to go to bed until the site was back up so I could tell you all how it went. I know she has fans on here who are wishing the very best for her. There was a lot of drama this evening and I ended up giving four enemas. Including a soapsuds enema with ivory bar soapy water because I don't have any castile yet. No the 15 year old was not the source of the drama and she did not get the soapsuds enema or the fourth enema. She did her part. She was very obedient and very quiet. She mostly only spoke when I asked her to respond to me. The drama began about two minutes into her first enema. I hear the bathroom door open and in walks my 7 year old saying "mom I'm going to throw up". I'm sitting on the toilet with 15 year old over my leg getting an enema. I told her she had to stand up. So we both get up, I'm standing there holding the enema nozzle in her bottom with one hand and lifting the toilet lid and seat with my other hand. About three seconds later my boy is kneeling at the toilet throwing up. Are you kidding me! Now what do I do? It is too far to walk her to my master bath while holding the nozzle in her and I'm not taking it out! So I have her hold the nozzle while I make a bed with pillow on the floor with all of the bath towels I have in the closet. I tell her to lay down on her back with feet flat on the floor and spread apart and knees bent like she is going to get a female exam. I sit down beside her and start her flow again. She has taken not even a fourth of the enema because we had barely started. Now my 4 year old is at the door observing the goings on. Dad won't be home for another half hour. I tell the four year old he really doesn't need to be standing there watching and he leaves but I still have a 7 year throwing up in the toilet. He finally quits throwing up enough that I can shoo him out of the bathroom just as she has taken the last of her first enema. I made her lay there and hold the enema in for 10 minutes and she had little trouble doing so. So I let her get on the toilet to expel because I didn't see your post Joyce until after all was done and I misunderstood what you meant. Anyway, while she was getting her enema out I told her my whole story growing up. My holding, the pull ups, and enemas every two weeks until I moved to college. We both had tears! I have never told my story face to face to anyone. I needed that so bad for so long but could never face anyone to tell my story. And I wasn't comfortable just giving a quart for her second enema so I gave her over a quart and a half. I took both enemas really slow with the flow so that it took about 8 minutes to get the enemas in and then 10 minutes to hold them in. She did fantastic and I told her so. I was so proud of her. She had more stool in her than I had hoped. And when I asked her if this morning was her only bowel movement since her enemas she said it was. I said it is not her fault and I'm not blaming her but we are going to work on that. So the drama continued. I barely got her on her way and my 7 year old is on the toilet with really loose stools. So he got the soapsuds enema and then a rinse enema and put to bed. But she did such an awesome job and I told her I was so proud of her. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2024, 12:21: am So I think you did an awesome job too. I'm worried about her too. If she didn't have a bowel movement until this morning that's five days. I know she started those five days with an empty colon but still. So just curious. Is she clipped close on her bush or is she shaved on some of it. I want to shave totally smooth because I like the feel of being totally smooth. I hated it when hair started to grow. But mom and dad will see it and I'll probably get spanked and an enema just for doing that. And also didn't she get upset that your two boys got to see her getting her enemas. If my mom made me go to a friend for an enema and that lady let her boys see me getting an enema I would be so mad at her. I don't want anyone to ever get to watch me get an enema. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2024, 12:18: pm Oh Kitten Paw :) Aren't you the young lady that said boys are the worst about saying things sexually to you that they would never say to your face? That's a yes. Let me answer your second question first. Just last Friday two very young nurses, one an RN and the other a CNA went to her house to clean out her colon. She knew why they were there. Mom said while they were taking her temp., blood pressure, heart rate she was shaking and starting to gasp for air like she was going to hyperventilate. She said they then had to take her by the hand to get her to stand up and go with them to mom's bedroom where there is a toilet just right there. Mom could hear the RN saying to her as she is walking her to the bedroom "do you think you can get a bowel movement for me while we get your first enema ready?" Probably after three hours in there with them while on the toilet getting her enemas back out which you said is for you the worst part of having an enema, that my boys seeing her get her enema was peanuts. They never saw her on the toilet getting her enema back out. She was quite calm for me for actually. I could tell when she walked in the door that she was a little upset but I took her by the arm and walked to the bathroom and had her pants down around her ankles and over my leg and getting lubricant applicated in her rectum in about one and a half minutes! It was so fast that she didn't have time to get herself all worked up. She did fine even with all of the 7 year old drama. She was just concentrating on following my directions and the sensations she was getting from her enema. She was just really focused on her enema and not him. Okay now for your curiosity. She is shaved baby butt smooth. Like you want to be. Most girls will experiment with some clipping or trimming or shaving at some point. A lot of times it is the boyfriend or husband that pressures them to get rid of pubic hair. Honestly I am clipped very closely because that is how hubby likes me. If you want that too because you like the feel of being smooth like when you were quite young and had your hand in your pants then I say go for it. If you get spanked and given an enema for wanting to get rid of pubic and all genital and anal hair then shame on them. It in no way puts your health at risk and it is just something that makes you happy about your perineal area. They will get over it. Just remember though if you are one of those who hovers instead of sitting when in a public bathroom like we all know a lot of girls are then your urine is going to run across your buttocks and down the bottom of your legs following gravity. If you are okay with that then you go girl. So now that you and I are on a truth trail, please tell my about your spankings from your dad. Personally I'm against spanking any child above the age of Temper Tantrums and I worry about you still having to undergo spankings. Are you naked at all? Does he use a paddle or something? Do you get blisters or really dark purple bruising? I'm hoping you say you only get a few swats to get your attention and to make his point. So please elaborate. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2024, 03:15: pm Shelly, Let me begin by saying something I should have said some time back: I do not have any formal medical training. My suggestions here are a mix of commonsense and personal experience with my daughter and the children of a couple of my friends and not legal professional medical advice. Before you act, think carefully about what I say and what you know from other sources. That said, I had some difficulty sorting out from your post last night as to what actually happened yesterday. It appears that sitter was quite cooperative and your heart to heart talk with her about your childhood experiences probably strengthened your bond with her. I hope she realizes your intent is to help her with a problem that needs immediate attention. As Kitten Paw noticed, sitter went without a BM for at least four days after the nurses cleaned out her colon. That suggests to me that there is some enlargement of her colon that has occurred over time that needs prompt corrective action. From your description I do not believe either of her enemas yesterday got all the way up into her colon. So I suggest that you contact sitter (and possibly her mom) and ask her to come back tomorrow when there is less chaos and no school the next day to let you repeat the two-part enema exactly as I described last Sunday. Keep notes of exactly what you do and her reactions both physically and verbally to help us understand the condition of her colon and rectum. Then next Wednesday when she comes over after school you can do the through cleansing that her mom was adamant that you do soon. If sitter trusts you to be gentle and cooperates I think you can get it done in a couple of hours. - Joyce [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2024, 05:52: pm Joyce, Because of my awful experience of withholding my poop when I started school I've done so much research on stool withholding which if not stopped the instant a parent realizes, if they ever do, often leads to encopresis where there is a hard dried out stool not too far up the sigmoid that is large enough that the colon is unable to move it. Weeks and weeks of Miralax is unable to move it but simply causes the child to mess them selves with enema by mouth Miralax. Magnesium citrate did that exact thing to me. Let's be clear out there parents, if you have been ordered to give your child large daily doses of Miralax, you are just giving them enema by mouth. Let that sink in. And then you are told to put them in pull ups because they can not tell you for certain when that enema by mouth will come out. Soapsuds enemas and the rinse enemas often are much more successful. And in some hospital settings they will use milk and molasses enemas because it creates a lot of gas which expands the colon so the lump can come down. Milk and molasses enemas are very unpleasant because there is a lot of intense cramping with the gas. I don't think she still has a large stool in her. The nurses said they palpated her colon and abdomen after her last enema and they didn't feel anything and her last enema returns were nearly clear. But I think she is or was a holder. But unlike most holders that start around the ages typically of 4 to 7 or 8, I think she started holding later like when mom said she was deep into puberty but probably several months before she started wetting the bed. I think she has stretched her rectum more than the rest of her colon and resisting her rectum trying to empty when she was at school or out in public. She wanted to wait until she got home to poop. So now her rectum from years of holding it in until she gets to her comfortable own bathroom has to be really full of a large stool before it spasms to try to make her get it out. I'm very much in thinking with you and Kitten Paw in that we have to get a bowel movement from her regularly. Mom warned me if I ever mention oral laxative, fiber I will have lost her cooperation. She asked the nurses since she will not take oral what did they suggest in the way of rectal to keep from getting backed up like this again. They said they are just nurses, they can not give medical advice but the RN did tell her that if she is allowed to go four or five days without a bowel movement she doesn't see a clear path to her colon being able to start to recover it's strength. Mom told me last Fri. that as long as I had daughter's cooperation she trusted me to keep her from getting backed up again. If I want her to go for another x-ray or Dr. consult just let her know. So I'm not going to let her go five days without a bowel movement. I'm leaning towards a major clean out on Sundays where I have all afternoon to get a cleanse on her like the nurses did. If she still enjoys helping with Junior's enema then that will be a small reward for her. Then an enema every Wed. after school. That way the longest she can possibly go with pooping is three and a half days. Wed. evening until noon on Sun. and then from Sun. afternoon until late Wed. afternoon. I'm going to ask her if she will babysit Sun. while hubby and I go out for lunch. Tell her I want her to come earlier than normal because we need to talk about her enema maintenance going forward until she gets in to see the GI Dr. That maintenance enemas are for sure in her future and we will talk about how often. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2024, 06:37: pm Shelly, I love your idea. I think you have thought this through. Sunday evening enema plus a reward to helping with junior’s enema and then an enema on Wednesday. As often as you can give her an enema to poop will help her. Will also make her fill better. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: teen with impacted colon Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2024, 09:09: pm Well I'm same age as your babysitter and I think I know how she feels right now. She knows she is not going to be allowed to go four and five days without a bowel movement. The nurses pretty much made that clear to her with how alarmed they were about her impacted bowel. She knows if she gives you any trouble she will get the nurses again. She didn't like girls old enough to just be her big sister giving her enemas for three hours. And she shaves herself smooth and I can tell you she definitely doesn't want mom to see that. So even though she now knows enemas aren't fun and she doesn't want them she does want Shelly a mom type and not a big sister type to give them to her. I predict she won't give you any sass or back talk at all. Shelly yes I forgot about pee running across my butt when I was little. That is a negative but it is not a deal breaker. I just need a little more courage to do it. So my spankings are not severe enough to leave big purple bruises. Just deep pink and my bottom stings for about an hour or two then it is all gone. I know the severity of all my crimes by now and what the punishment is going to be and yes I do sometimes lip off to him just so that I will get an enema too. I hate enemas so I have no clue why I do that. Spankings start with corner time with hands on head for a few minutes. 3 or 4 usually. Then pants and underwear down and a couple more minutes of corner time then he comes and like a minute or two of hand spanking so fast I can't count them. Then I'm done if I don't have to have an enema. Ever since I was old enough to know enough to obey an order from him that is always how I got a spanking. I don't hate him for it. I love my dad even if he thinks that is how you correct bad behavior. I don't remember ever getting a spanking and being super mad because I didn't think I deserved it. I actually get away with things that are probably punishable. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]