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Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Joyce [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Monday, December 09, 2024, 08:31: pm In reply to: Joyce 's message, "Re: Babysitter and toileting help" on Sunday, December 08, 2024, 11:23: pm Shelly, Given the duration and severity of your sitter's bowel problems, I don't believe the single two part enema I described will be fully effective. I understand that you and sitter's mom agreed to a clean-out like the nurses did every two weeks, but I suggested a single enema as means for you and sitter to continue to build trust in each other. However, after two or three weeks I believe that she may have enough stool build-up in the upper part of her colon to need a more thorough cleansing like the nurses did to get it all out. So after the first time or two I think you will need to have a talk with sitter about a more thorough clean-out. Explain to her that next time you will have use two or three large enemas with soap in the first one to make sure you get everything out. You will be gentle, but this must be done. If she doesn't agree to cooperate, you will have to have her mother call the nurses back to do it. Until your gastro doctor prescribes something different I believe this is necessary to avoid further problems. - Joyce [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 05:24: am Joyce, I've been up most of the night because I can't sleep worrying about her. Daughter texted me finally yesterday and just said that the nurses scared her so much because the enemas were so awful and took for ever and they told her she might have megacolon and it concerned them. So naturally that scared her. So I called mom last night and we agree with you 100 percent. I've got to secure her trust with just one high enema first. But mom is adamant she wants an aggressive cleanse like the nurses gave her again soon to see how backed up she gets. So she is going to be ordered to come to me Wed. after school and I'll ease her into a discussion about how much trouble she is in and then we will do a large enema for her. Then we will see how things go and maybe just do a single enema again next Wednesday. And then in three weeks we will give her castile enema and rinses and I'll make her show me what we are getting out of her. Mom can't get her in to see a gastro. Dr. until late Jan. so it is on us until then to keep her from getting so impacted. Your insight is so important to me and I appreciate your wisdom. We will get her on a simple one enema routine for maintenance and do the thorough cleanses as we feel needed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 04:07: pm Shelly, Glad to hear that sitter's mom agrees with us and supports you. Please let me know how sitter's visit goes Wednesday when she comes over after school. Be kind and gentle. Megacolon can be a serious condition. My understanding is that it develops slowly and takes diligence and a long time to reverse. Let me know what you get out of her tomorrow. - Joyce [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 04:43: pm Joyce, So after I get her enema in her I'm going to let her be alone and close the bathroom door behind me. I'm not going to make her show me what I get out of her. I want to save her that embarrassment for now. I am going to make her tell me how many times she has pooped, if at all, since her clean out. I'm really hoping she has pooped at least once by now. That would be the best case scenario. We are going to operate on the hope that she does not have a super stretched out colon that can not be reversed. Mom saw her x-ray and the PA. pointed out stool present throughout her whole colon. She didn't do a rectal but the nurses did and they told mom when they emptied her rectum to prep her for her first castile enema that she had a huge bowel movement. I promise I will check in with you all as soon as I am done getting her enema in her and how she responded to me. I will be very gentle and ease her in to her first enema with me by just sitting and talking through things with her before we go in and do the enema. I will treat her with all the love and caring as if she were my own. But if she ever gives me any static or gets sassy with me like she treats her mom we will have issues and I can be firm if pushed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 06:09: pm Shelly, Thanks for responding before sitter arrived. If you are uncomfortable with posting details of your session, you can email me at JoyceEdwards64@proton.me. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 06:55: pm Joyce, I feel liberated, freed from my inhibitions and inability to talk to anyone about my growing up in a house where enemas were almost a daily occurrence with 7 children. For the longest time I felt dirty and disgusting because I missed that first ever enema I got from stepmom. I know there is an audience on here that may have that same shame feeling of being dirty now as an adult because they too would like one of mom's enemas again. I want to shout as loudly as I can that is okay to give your children enemas. Thousands and thousands of parents spend millions of dollars at specialty hospitals for their children's poop issues only to be told to go home and give them enemas. I check my email inbox about once every three months. I don't do emails. Anyone who wants to do business with me knows to use the phone or snail mail. I don't have to look you in the eye when I share my life growing up with enemas. It is a release for me now that I kept it inside for so long. I'm so excited about giving her an enema tomorrow that as soon as I got my youngest down for a nap I had to go and do a huge enema because I just want to be that child again. I role play in my head as the child and mom at the same time filling the bag with two and a half quarts and telling the child, myself, that I have to take the whole bag. I try to get the experience back, not the same but close. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Bonnie's Kid [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 06:11: pm I follow many of the discussions relative to the use of enemas for a variety of conditions. It appears that you (Shelley) are getting some great advice from others (Joyce & AV) who are concerned about you, your kids, and the Babysitter. Most of what I would offer would be redundant and repetitive. I have posted before, that I always perceived those frequent enemas I got as a kid, were punitive in nature. I also had a great deal of resentment toward my pediatrician and his nurse Marge. I had been threatened with hospitalization to deal with my elimination and constipation issues. I may well have been a "holder" as others have posted about. One thing that I learned as I got older, was that mom, grandma, and the doctor were merely trying to assist me through a trying time of my life. In hindsight, I believe they were pretty abrupt and gruff with me although they likely had very good intentions. I'm sure that my resistance and tantrums precipitated the spankings etc. I believe I was a pretty smart kid and would likely have appreciated them explaining the procedures and desired outcomes with greater patience. I read many medical texts and had an understanding of the procedures but the adults didn't want any discussion regarding my concerns. I did begin self administration at age 6. I believe it was more of a survival instinct although I did begin to discover some positive sensations and contention with the adults was often mitigated. I didn't need to lie any more about producing those daily BM's which were expected and often monitored. While my enema use was pretty secretive, I suspect that the adults had picked up on my efforts and they were less inclined to drag me into the bathroom and make me lie down in the cold tub. Once grandma died, and the pediatrician retired, mom's efforts to give me enemas was diminished. I had reached puberty and the enemas I took had some very positive effects on my overall well being. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 07:26: pm Bonnie's Kid, As you know I was a holder. Most holders are boys. And, get this, a huge percentage of holders are above average intelligence. What should this tell us? Because we aren't modeling pooping and peeing in front of our children to normalize it to them. Instead of just automatically voiding when feeling the urge like all animals do, they analyze it, think it through, decide there are things about it that they don't like, feel uncomfortable about. It may be from something like they had a hard painful poop. But they don't feel like they can tell mommy about it because she doesn't like to share or talk about her pooping. Shame on us. Normalize pooping parents! Model pooping parents! And if they need help the enema is right there, quick, effective, and instantly relieving. I'm going to tell babysitter tomorrow that I took an enema today. That I was up most of the night worrying about her and so upset that I needed something to calm me down. My stepmom's enemas always wore me out, maybe me exhausted, sleepy. When I was done getting my enemas back out I felt a sense of calm and relaxation. After we get past the part of her having to present naked to me so I can get the enema in her she can be alone on the toilet to release and start to feel that sense of exhaustion and tiredness and just feeling generally wore out and wanting to go to bed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Babysitter and toileting help Author: Bonnie's Kid [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2024, 10:24: pm I appreciate your openness even though there's a degree of anonimity on these forums. I believe it was AV who first posted about the therapeutic value of open discussion. Our personal history and experiences have influenced our perceptions, either positive or negative. At this point in life, my memories are of the positive side of this simple procedure and pleasure. I sincerely hope you and the youngsters enjoy the relief physically and emotionally that a loving enema can bring! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]