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Subject: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:13:24 09/09/10 Thu Hi (friend) The Bible does teach us as 'slaves' to obey in all things, our masters (Col 3:22). This isn't because God promotes slavery, au contraire! But it simply is a fact of life that until we get free of anything, we are slaves to it! ciggarettes, drugs, I could go on and on. I'm still a slave to my mortgage, even though I've learned to do what God said in Romans 4:17 and "call those things which do not exist (yet) as though they did;" and (like Abraham) who, contrary to hope (even when the world's hope runs out), in hope I still believe!! (like Abraham, who became the father of many nations, because of the promise that was spoken to him). This is why I can boldly say, "I'm debt free and prosperous, regardless of my bank balance!" I hope that you will not give up on the dream that is inside you, ()!! Don't be discouraged by what you see or feel, or experience in this world, but take heart that God will make a way for his children; always, always, always! We can't get more positive than God and He does His best work when we can't see how He's going to do it! The danger always for us as believers is to go into 'self management.' Jesus said in John 10:10 that it is the "thief who comes to steal, kill and destroy, I am come that they may have LIFE and may have it in abundance!" You came to us with a ray of hope and flourished in a very short time. God was at work in your life in a very real way; it was visible to all of us and I fully expect that if you don't give up on your dreams that with God's help you will conquer every obstacle in your way and reach your destiny! Believe God! T.O. 9/9/10 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:16:56 09/11/10 Sat However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) Good stuff in the dusty book! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:27:22 09/15/10 Wed The thief is time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:16:26 09/15/10 Wed I seemed to have stumped the chump. He can't quote the bible and ignore the bible. I wonder if he spins in circles? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:53:47 09/16/10 Thu I'm a slave to righteousness...the Bible keeps me on the straight and narrow and shows me when I get off (HE corrects me all the time - so often that sometimes I'm even tempted to not get back on!!!!). bro Bob, You can quote scripture all day and I will not delete it. Only when you twist it to say what it does not say will I swiftly delete you with a vengeance. The devil himself used scripture on our LORD in the wilderness, but not to edify or build HIM up but to catch him in a trap. It didn't work! Jesus simply reapplied the Word to the situation and the devil was put in his place. bro Shane, The theif is the DEVIL...the devil can be in the details and TIME(a man made thing I might add) is certainly one way that he does it! We are all called to be good stewards of that which we are given; our gifts and talents, our money and yes, our time. The time is NOW! The only time that GOD operates in. He doesn't do anything tomorrow and he never concerns Himself with yesterday. Good to see you guys on my forum. You are my slaves! always working to keep my forum active and relevant. Please do come again and bring your good and bad ideas for us to look at in the light of Scripture : ) bro Tim [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:26:48 09/17/10 Fri Tim you are a poor little deluded freak. I am not your slave and you live in a little Bible box which is dark inside. Scripture sheds no light on anything, it simply creates conflict and confusion. You really think God wrote a text for you to follow? What about all the other texts Gods wrote? * 5.1 Ancient Greece * 5.2 Atenism * 5.3 Ayyavazhi * 5.4 Bahá'í Faith * 5.5 Bön * 5.6 Buddhism * 5.7 Cheondoism * 5.8 Christianity * 5.9 Confucianism * 5.10 Discordianism * 5.11 Druze * 5.12 Ancient Egyptian religion * 5.13 Etruscan religion * 5.14 Hermeticism * 5.15 Hinduism * 5.16 Islam * 5.17 Jainism * 5.18 Judaism * 5.19 LaVeyan Satanism * 5.20 Lingayatism * 5.21 Mandaeanism * 5.22 Manichaeism * 5.23 Meher Baba * 5.24 New Age religions * 5.25 Orphism * 5.26 Pastafarianism * 5.27 Rastafari movement * 5.28 Samaritanism * 5.29 Scientology * 5.30 Shinto * 5.31 Sikhism * 5.32 Spiritism * 5.33 Swedenborgianism * 5.34 Taoism * 5.35 Tenrikyo * 5.36 Thelema * 5.37 Unification Church * 5.38 Yazidi * 5.39 Zoroastrianism How come yours is the correct one? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:14:54 09/17/10 Fri you gotta serve somebody... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:15:02 09/18/10 Sat So now you are quoting Dylan? I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:12:38 09/19/10 Sun yes bob, the other bob was implying that you have two choices in this life...serve the LORD or serve the Devil. No matter what your preferred flavor of service there is only ONE LORD of heaven and earth and that's the GOD of Abraham; the GOD of Isaac and the God of Jacob (in that direct lineage). All other religions are dead and in serving them you too are dead spiritually because in effect you are serving the Devil, who is over every other way under the sun. Spiritually dead people need to get re-born, re-created, re-generated. The only WAY is by receiving the promised Messiah, Yashua, the Christ or in the modern vernacular, JESUS. In receiving HIM, HIS sacrifice for your sins, you receive the new life that begins when you confess and believe by faith what was promised to all who would just do it! It is very simple, but of course man has complicated it. When Bob was first born again he wrote a simple song. He wrote about One Way that leads to Life and one way that seems right but leads to death. A simple choice that every man gets to make TODAY. The only day that you will ever truly LIVE!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:23:05 01/03/11 Mon Ahh yes censorship is still alive and well with the Bible Thumpers. Only inform as needed delete the new stuff. Keep the status up don't change the deal. They might learn and drift away from our soap box. I think Sales and Marketing started with the church. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:46:38 01/06/11 Thu "Spiritually Dead people Need" What a statement, spirituality is an opinion based measurement of an unmeasurable quantity. Making a statement like this and aiming it at people you look down upon is destructive. There are only two forces in the universe, attraction and repulsion, that is it. When you point your finger at people with different outlooks and claim "They Need anything" because of how you see the world you create a repulsive force. I think the Web Master is delusional and needs to be reprogrammed. How does that feel? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:53:39 01/12/11 Wed It hurts to be rejected. I will admit this to you. The Son of God was and is still being rejected today! I can only imagine how a real 'slave' must feel when they get up day after day to the same ritual and oppression from their cruel masters. Suffering for Christ's sake can bring the same feelings sometimes to those who belong to him; feelings of rejection, loneliness and at times even helplessness. But I thank God for his word and for his promises to all those who would choose to follow the one who took on all the shame and all the hurt to cancel out the effect of sin and restore right relationship with the Father! His act of obedience in going to the cross for me has cut me loose from the bondage to that cruelest of taskmasters, Satan himself. This is the message of the cross. A message of victory and triumph. As I have said before here, it is a message of eternal hope and freedom to all those who would appropriate it for their own lives. It is a daily walk that I must take up fresh and new each day; it can seem lonely, but then their are many who have trod this same path who have shared the joy with others and have encouraged us on our way. it never gets stale unless I choose to turn away from what he has promised; he will never leave me, but i can turn away from him. it is personal and it is not something that i can sell to anyone without first experiencing for myself. It would be wrong to try and give away to others what has not worked for me! This site is about a journey of one man, but one man's journey can be a testimony to a world that is searching for a way out of bondage and oppression. if you are not hurting, you are blessed. If you are blessed, it is good to know the blessor. To know from whence the blessings flow and to give thanks for them. This is what I aim to do here with this forum and with the rest of my days on earth. I believe there are eternal rewards to them who continue to remain thankful and obedient to the one who loved us so much that he gave us his son. thanks for visiting. T.O. 1/12/2011 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:41:49 01/13/11 Thu Actually, Satan played a very small role in the Old Testament. He is only mentioned once! What happened was that after the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed and every one of God's promises to his people was broken the Jews came up with Hasaitan or an adversary to get God off the hook. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:58:55 01/13/11 Thu Wow! you are implying that the Jews made up the idea of Satan as a way to explain away their suffering and to get God off the hook because He was the one who had inflicted it on them in the first place. This is the view of God as a tyranical deity who inflicts pain on people to get them to do things His way. I would no way no how be able to worship a god like that. My view is different. It is of a good God who loves His creation and who intends only to shower His people with blessings, but because of disobedience His children suffer. It is not inflicted on them by God but it is brought on themselves for not trusting in the One who could save them. The Father of Lies then perpetuates the thinking that it is God who is bad and of course you will not surely die if you eat of the fruit of the knowledge good and evil, you will instead be like God, you will be gods! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:18:44 01/13/11 Thu Yes, but didn't God say to Job that Satan was forcing Him to treat Job badly in order to score a point? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:34:26 01/13/11 Thu John 10:34 - Jesus states; "Did I not say you are Gods?". [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:08:51 01/14/11 Fri Man made God and Satan to balance the Folklore. Why pay attention to a "Good" God, of course so the Bad God will stay away. What a concept. Remember the cartoons on Saturday morning with the little devil on one shoulder and the little angle on the other? You better be good or else. Sound like old school parenting? I wonder Why. Its Fiction people perhaps the very first. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:19:10 01/14/11 Fri I'm going to let your comments ride boys and pray for your camping weekend as well; May you both enjoy creation and get closer to God in your own way this weekend. I'm going to let your comments ride despite the usual contentious nature that is implied therein and simply attach an interesting devotional that came into my inbox yesterday. I believe it may address some of the concerns that you raise and make it hard for you to swallow the concept of good versus evil, or the 'old school parenting' as Robert refers to it. This is a common Christian perspective that was popularized by Flip Wilson's character, Geraldine on a show from the 1970's called, "Laugh In". His character used the phrase, "the devil made me do it!" Many Christians are quick to use the same excuse for sin today! These are not my thoughts, but they ring true and are aprapo in light of your comments: "Warfare . . . or Discipline? For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and punishes every son whom He receives.-Hebrews 12:6 There is a tendency among Christians to view anything unpleasant that happens to them as the result of "spiritual warfare." When a difficulty arises, many immediately ask God to remove their distress. The problem is that their predicament may have nothing to do with Satan or with spiritual warfare. It may appear far more glorious for us to explain our hardships as Satan's determined attacks against us, rather than admitting that we are merely reaping what we have sown and are being disciplined by our heavenly Father (Gal. 6:7). What is often mistaken as Satan's attack may actually be chastisement from our loving Father. If you have neglected your role as spiritual teacher to your children, God may allow them to fall into sin. If you have been dishonest at work, God may correct you by letting you face the consequences. It would be foolish to pray that God would ease your discomfort. God is disciplining you in order to gain your attention and bring necessary change to your life. How tragic never to make the connection between your problems and God's discipline. God's discipline will not help you if you dismiss it as Satan's doing or spiritual warfare. Not every hardship you face is the chastisement of God, but Scripture indicates that God will discipline you. If you misunderstand God's chastening, you may actually blame Him for not answering your prayers or failing to protect you from Satan. Meanwhile, God is warning you of the danger you face because of your sin. Are there difficult circumstances in your life? Could it be the discipline of God? God, whose nature is perfect love, will correct you because He has your ultimate good in His heart." Experiencing God Day by Day [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:16:03 01/14/11 Fri Tim my son Dylan has access to Horace's studio next door. He can run the whole thing and since he is learning he is charging like 20 bucks and hour for recording time. Dylan is up there from 1-3 on Sunday and you could come and see it. Or Email him about other times if your interested. Nice space and some nice Mics. You should check it out dgiffman@gmail.com And my posts are not contentious, there are just different from your view. You have a habit of painting other views black and its not constructive. You express your view I express mine. Its simple and balanced no worries. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:22:00 01/15/11 Sat Light dispels the darkness. It is my utmost goal to seek out more and more light and to be more and more pleasing to God in all that I do and say. I believe I have found the source of that light in the Bible. In Hebrews 11:6 it says that without faith it is impossible to please God and that he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that seek Him. This is my soul purpose for having this site, to bring everything that is spoken into that light. To expose the lies that Satan has perpetrated to keep people in darkness! I myself am not immune from the lies and so I too must be careful what I write and always view it through what scripture says. If those of you who visit find thier views painted black here then it may be wise for them to examine thier views more closely. I like to think of myself as an equal opportunity destroyer of myths and religious views that do not line up with what the scripture says. As I've said before this is not a place for debate or discussion on whether God exists or does not exist. You can post your opinions and I will build on them or take them apart, not because I want to be contentious, but because it is my goal to let the light of God's word, not tim's own opinions, expose the truth of the matter. With that I believe this post on slavery is about completed. Unless anyone else wants to build on what has already been put down here, or ask any specific questions about what I may have put forth, I'd like to thank all the contributors to this thread. Bob I appreciate the offer of a place to do music and I would definitely like to check it out! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 04:33:55 01/21/11 Fri I could never get the Bible to work like a flash light. I find it more of a sucker of light then a source. It tends to stop the mind from wandering because it leads the reader around in a circular path that never goes anywhere. It doesn't answer any questions and it has no information. Its just a trick really with words designed to stagnate the development of alternate ideas. To prescribe to it only is to be a slave to it. I am going to delete my link to this site now. Its boring and I am giving up on getting Tim to see the light. He is bible blinded, scripture stupid and Crazy Christian. I hope he wakes up some day. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:48:08 01/21/11 Fri Jesus said, I am the Way the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but through Me. You can delete your link to the Truth if you want, but it will not change the Truth or make it go away! You have been exposed to the Light of the World through your connection to this site and you will never be the same because of it. All of History brings men to one of two conclusions, either Jesus was who He said He was or Not. All of mankind is left to decide for themselves which is True and once they've concluded, how they will live and how they will die in Light of it. May God bless all who pass this way and find light for their path. T.O. 1/21/11 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:49:06 02/02/11 Wed All of mankind? What about the other 2500 belief structures man has constructed. It would be more like 2501 different conclusions would it not? Either you buy one of the 2500 or you don't. All of mankind is never in lock step. Its the gall of the New age Christian that preaches intolerance that is the problem. You can't just dismiss all other views. It is exactly the wrong thing to do in the name of peace. Either you accept that everyone gets to decide for them self or you don't. If you don't you take the next step of thumbing your nose at all who see the world differently. Its a bad way to look at the world and one which rains pain across the landscape. My work PC had the link and its getting deleted now See Ya [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:33:55 02/03/11 Thu Who sees the sins of others? Why do so few seekers become finders? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:14:23 02/03/11 Thu God is the one who sees the heart of man. Proverbs 21:2 says: "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes; but the LORD pondereth the hearts. And in Jer 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? vs 10 - "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." And Jeremiah writes again in 24:6, "For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pluck them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart. And the Bible says, For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. - Rom 3:23 And Jesus himself said: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." John 3:17 Earlier in this same gospel of St John chapter 3, Jesus speaking said "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:14 - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jn 3:16 And lastly from Matthew chapter 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened. The prerequisite is the new birth. No one can find the way without first coming to Christ! The problem is that so many are looking for another way to get there! There is NO other way! "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13,14 You will find it in JESUS' name! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: John Doe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:29:40 02/21/11 Mon So that the world might be saved? That is quite a statement in face of reality. When the Hell is the saving going to happen? Its been 2012 years and I have not seen a whole lot of saving going on. More like man running rip shod across the landscape causing pain and discomfort in the name of god. We bomb, we kill, we imprison, we experiment, We re-write history and we consume. We don't save anyone and nobody is being saved by any external force. Take your head out of the bible box and look around. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:06:23 03/04/11 Fri I am a slave to righteousness. That's doing the right thing, no matter what comes. How do I know what the right thing is? Because I work at it; that's what a slave does, he works tirelessly at that which he has been enslaved to. I used to be a slave to sin. I knew not that it was what was keeping me from achieving my goals, my dreams and my desires that were righteous and hidden deep within me. I pursued them, but my motives were skewed and no matter what I did, I would find myself right back in the same place I started from; missing the mark and nursing my wounds, which I know now were often self inflicted. This new Way is better! I may not look any richer, or healthier to those who see me with natural eyes, but inside I know that I am both! Richer, healthier and more and more approaching the dreams that were put inside me when I was still inside my mother's womb. God had a plan for me that was better than I could have ever imagined. It was not just about what I could achieve and gain for myself in the here and now, but about the eternal things that cannot be measured in this life. The rewards do not look the same as those that I once pursued. As a slave to sin, I looked for recogintion, achievement and success in worldly things. All of it was wrapped up in the perception of others; I was an approval junkie! Looking for the approval of the authority figures in my life, but never quite getting there. I would come close and then something would go wrong and failure would be the outcome. I did not know that I was looking for the Father's love and approval all the time and that could only come through a relationship with the Father who created me. The new birth is the only way to the relationship that every human being is searching for. Jesus told this to Nicodemus, the pharisee who came to Him by night. It's recorded in the third Chapter of Saint John's gospel. He said, marvel not that you must be born again. It's the spiritual re-birth that brings everyone who asks for it to the feet of Jesus on the cross of Calvary, where He died to set at liberty those who were enslaved to sin. My former master, Satan, was defeated when God raised Jesus from the dead. He was the promised Messiah to the Jews. He was the One who was foretold by the prophet Isaiah and Daniel and Ezekiel and on and on. We are closer to His return than any generation that has ever lived. The same thing he explained to Nicodemus before He died on the cross applies to everyone who hears it today. Jesus is the great reconciler of man to God. The bridge, as it were, to everything good and right and He can and will make you and everyone who chooses to follow after Him a Victor in the greatest battle. That battle is for the soul of man. Come to the cross! Come to Christ and receive forgiveness of sins! He is waiting for you! He will set you free from every bondage and every yoke that keeps you from achieving every goal that is right and true. Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness, Faithfulness and Self Control await every child who will accept the free gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ Today. Amen. T.O. - 3/4/2011 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:38:02 03/09/11 Wed Hey I am free to go camping with my friends this weekend. Lets see Jesus set you free to do that! Winter Event! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slaves must obey! Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:04:58 03/17/11 Thu Christianity is one of my favorite subjects. Christianity is not a religion. It is good news not based upon any method to get closer to God as other religions stipulate. Christianity is not about advice on how to live. This is proven by Peter (I named my son after him) who denied Jesus 3 times. And Jesus made him the Rock! If Christianity was a way to live then Peter obviously failed miserably, yet we can clearly see that it doesn't matter. I think that is really cool. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]