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Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Author: tim [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:35:25 12/23/10 Thu In reply to: webchuck 's message, "Merry Christmas" on 13:56:22 12/24/07 Mon 2010 years ago... So, by taking up the cross and following Him into eternity we are in effect making a conscious decision to put away our God-given right to free will (the right to choose wrong). We do this in exchange for the will of the Father, which is to do right! And how do we know what's right? Most of us learned this in kindergarten, but by middle school or surely by high school we had learned how we could walk the fine line between wrong and right and still do ok; some of us even figured out how to make crime pay! But every thief eventually is caught, whether they are living in a penthouse or the jailhouse! The Bible teaches us to repent or turn from our sins and receive forgiveness at the cross of calvary; it is the entry point for everyone who wants to avoid hell fire! Once we have traded in our old man of sin for our new man of righteousness in Christ, we can begin the amazing journey to real prosperity in every area of life! It is awesome because it is not some elite system that is only for those intelligent enough to understand it, no, it is simple enough for an eight year old to understand! The goal is to teach every 8 year old the simplicity of the gospel so that when they are old they will not depart from it. If they miss it when they are young it is harder but it can be taught to the old ones also...one must only have the heart of a child to hear and receive the truth; if there is breath there is hope for everyone today! If you hear God's voice today don't harden your heart, simply receive it and believe it and you can have it...it is your gift now and forevermore! the gift of Salvation is free! [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Author: Godless Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:13:37 12/24/10 Fri No it doesn't and no I am not searching for a silly assed explanation about anything. Salvation is Free because its an idea. Being a nice person has nothing to do with anything other then the space between your ears. If you did any shopping this year you quickly realize that nobody cares about a celebration of truth. All they want is a few days off, a visit with family and a few good meals. Perhaps a present or too. It is not a group movement to give up free will unless that is expressed by purchasing so much junk. For me it is a little down time before the New Year starts, The family card games, the big dinners and some putter time around the house generally not doing a whole lot. Going to church is the farthest thing from my mind. The universe contains perhaps 10E23 Earth like planets. This is a difficult estimate because we really don't know the actual size of the Universe, we just understand in a few places that there are planets and that is extrapolated across the universe we know about. The Concept of a creator actively managing the accounts of all souls living in all those places puts this concept in the bin with Zeus hauling the Sun across the sky with a horse and chariot, not likely. I think Ricky Garvis's point that Born again Christians are 99.99% Atheists is well done. Since there are 2500 plus gods invented on the earth and you Bible thumping people don't believe in all of them but one. You mostly don't believe in all gods either. So the reality Tim is that you are mostly and Atheist but just can't bring your self to admit it. Not being able to prove a supernatural being is pretty much a constant problem for every belief structure based on a "God". You can sell ideas all day but at the end of the day being a nice person as proved over and over by real men is determined by the space between your ears. Its your choice to be a good or bad person and wearing a cross around you neck doesn't make it happen. Have a happy Holiday and put that tired text down for a bit. Get up off your butt and take a walk in the woods. This is where Salvation of the real kind exists not in the pages of that book. Its also free and available to anyone who has the energy to exploit it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]