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In broad terms and over time the US dollar debt will be increasingly hard to sell. -- WIFFO, 23:15:10 12/08/09 Tue
when it gets to the stage of rapidly rising interest rates, you will know we have topped out. At that point real assets will be the only thing worth anything and everything.
We are a fair way down that road already.

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Deepbreather -- Miniminer (), 22:57:20 12/08/09 Tue
Remember the whole housing bubble theory and the use of MBS/CDS was predicated on 'housing prices would never fall'

I wonder if the banks also think that "The people will always borrow"?

ha.ha.

starve the pricks,I say.
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first time consumer credit has been negative since the depression(red line is rate of change)
http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/charter.exe/fedstl/totalns+1943+2009+3+0+0+290+545++0

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This is an excellant article by Bob Hoye; it says it all. -- WIFFO, 23:03:51 12/08/09 Tue
for all the nervous nellies, this is the big picture. So chill out and use this little phase to get positioned for the next big drop in the dollar and consequent rise in gold.
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/hoye/hoye120809.html

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m0rby -- Gila_Bob, 23:02:44 12/08/09 Tue
Wee $hall $ea

N0 Back$...........and N0 0ver$

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Gila - March 2010 -- morbius, 22:53:03 12/08/09 Tue
.

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Miniminer -- Deepbreather, 22:46:19 12/08/09 Tue
""CitiBank ups credit card interest rates on it's best customers by 40%"...come on folks, read between the lines!!!

ENOUGH!"

You know you're a peasant when....

you realize that personal bankruptcy laws were written by banking/financial special interests and approved by the Congress to make it increasingly difficult to declare bankruptcy while the same special interests sold “ratchet up” home mortgages and increased credit card interest rates and other fees putting more and more people at risk of financial slavery

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@"a little surfing finds..." -- mozel, 22:29:12 12/08/09 Tue
the surface prepared for surfers ... .

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Don't mind me Fishy -- Deepbreather, 22:16 -- Goldfish, 22:28:37 12/08/09 Tue
I agree. I think leaving the gold standard was the single greatest sin against ALL of mankind of all time. It has empoverished all of the 'little' (normal) people on the planet. All of the in & de flations are totally due to a few bad men. - sigh -

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mudturtle -- Frustrated, 22:25:29 12/08/09 Tue
I think that was already a foregone conclusion, but note in
this latest AR that JCI filed with the High Court saying that
they don't owe R&E anything...

The RR shares were sold and funneled to JCI to buy Western
Areas...and the GFI shares currently held by JCI really belong to
R&E...but they ain't giving them up apparently until both
run out of money?

two thirds of the value of R&E was settlement amounts from JCI

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ladybug -- Miniminer, 22:24:20 12/08/09 Tue
you've got to admit the first $100 drop came pretty fast and easy. could easily drop another $100 and then who knows....I feel ok holding a short-stock etf as insurance...

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climate change is happening ALL the time .. -- Delta-au, 22:23:28 12/08/09 Tue
What's at issue is the causes .. and the direction .. warming or cooling ?

===================================
It isn't CO2 .. that's for sure ..
===================================

This link was posted by someone yesterday ..

What happens to the CO2 released into the atmosphere? An inventory of what is produced by human activity and what is stored in the atmosphere indicates that more than one half is missing. Part of the carbon goes into the land in the form of woody growth, but almost exactly 50% goes into the ocean (Sabine et al 2004).

The Oceanic Part of the Carbon Cycle

To understand the fate of CO2 in the atmosphere, we must understand earth's carbon cycle because atmospheric CO2 is only one part of the cycle. Several important oceanic processes influence the cycle. The figure above indicates that:

1. The ocean stores 50 times more carbon dioxide than does the atmosphere;
2. Much more carbon flows through the ocean than the amount produced by burning fossil fuels;
3. An amount of carbon equal to to the total amount stored in the atmosphere cycles through the ocean in about eight years [(750 GT) / (92 GT per year) = 8.3 years]; and
4. The flux in and out of the ocean is larger than the flux in and out of the land.

The carbon cycle in the ocean has two main parts, a physical part due to CO2 dissolving into sea water, and a biological part due to phytoplankton converting CO2 into carbohydrates.

http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/carboncycle.htm

It's even got pic's for the voy illiterati like c _ _ J _ _ _

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the only way to kill the parasite -- Goldfish -- b_w -- Goldfish, 22:23:06 12/08/09 Tue
re those itsy bitsy parasites: live in harmony

Da fedgov is aNOther situation altogether

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Greedy, corrupt incompetent banksters who had clearly failed at their “job” -- b_w, 22:21:20 12/08/09 Tue
Actually these rothschild minions part their part perfectly. The fix was in from day one of course and the rest of us suckers were playing against the house.

I dont see how they could have bilked an additional trillion off uncle sucker and his dumbed down tax payers.

Their "job" was to steal as much as possible and they did it well. The banking was a front.

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This is what you call a real ass kicking. -- last-call, 22:20:18 12/08/09 Tue
One tough little shit!

http://www.sequoyahcountytimes.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Alleged+burglar+beaten+by+shop+owner+-%20&id=5007453-Alleged+burglar+beaten+by+shop+owner+-&instance=2nd_top_story

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Don't mind me Fishy -- Deepbreather, 22:16:05 12/08/09 Tue
It wasn't personal. The condition we find ourselves in is more than sad.

You know you're a peasant when...

You blame those deadbeat homeowners who are in foreclosure for the financial disaster, but you’re beginning to realize that you’re only a missed paycheck or two from being next in the queue

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permabear -- lady_bug, 22:15:34 12/08/09 Tue
Re: Rosen market timing letter
He gets basically same count as another e-waver Glenn Nealy from NEoWave.
I can't believe it! No chance!!!
We might dip a bit below POG 1000 ( as difficult that is for me to understand) but below 700??? REDICULOUS

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Hey m0rbiU$ -- Gila_Bob (), 22:12:52 12/08/09 Tue
Friend:

I dunno HOW that c0c0nut hit ya 0N THE HEAD 3500' Up in the Airre
Butttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Ya bin babblin' ab0ut TE0TVFWAWKI ever $ince Then

I asked U & cRIP
F0r a Date & Time
Even all0win' fer Br0ad Peri0d$
Like a m0nth ...................

And $till n0 Re$p0n$e

What can I $ay..................
mebbe u d0n't even believe thee El T0rr0 p00-p00 ya P0$t

I tell ya it'$ Di$couragin'..............L0L

Big Bob
(mU$ta bin TE0TWAWFKI k00l-aid.............)

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Climate change deniers -- Carmack, 22:12:01 12/08/09 Tue
CNN- ground zero for melting ice

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the only way to kill the parasite -- Goldfish -- b_w, 22:11:39 12/08/09 Tue
Right now dear friend the odds are you have many billions of parasites within you.

Your move.

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RANGY assets are gone by way of thieving brokers -- mudturtle, 22:11:25 12/08/09 Tue
and the thieving lawyers that walked off with 60% or more of the assets after Investec's theft. I find that I am pissed off.

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It's even worse than you thought -- b_w, 22:08:29 12/08/09 Tue
The policy was designed to lock out Russia, China and Iran from the oil in this region. This called for U.S. corporations to construct an oil pipeline running through Afghanistan. Since the mid 1990s, a consortium of U.S. companies led by Unocal have been pursing this goal. A feasibility study of the Central Asian pipeline project was performed by Enron. Their study concluded that as long as the country was split among fighting warlords the pipeline could not be built. Stability was necessary for the $4.5 billion project and the U.S. believed that the Taliban would impose the necessary order. The U.S. State Department and Pakistan's ISI, impressed by the Taliban movement to cut a pipeline deal, agreed to funnel arms and funding to the Taliban in their war for control of Afghanistan.

"Until 1999 U.S. taxpayers paid the entire annual salary of every single Taliban government official."

The U.S., Saudi and Pakistan intelligence alliance that created the terrorist financing bank BCCI reunited to facilitate the rise of the Taliban. BCCI was a US intelligence bank, which served as the financing arm for the creation of the al-Qaida network. BCCI was involved in many covert operations throughout the 80's. They played a pivotal role in arming Saddam in Iraq, creating the Iran hostage crisis, even selling drugs through Manuel Noriega and other top drug dealers. BCCI gave nuclear weapons to Pakistan, which led to North Korea and Iran obtaining pivotal nuclear secrets as well. BCCI was also a driving force behind the Savings and Loan scandals that were a precursor to our current economic crisis.

Focusing on the creation of the Taliban, let's read an excerpt from a 2003 book, " Modern Jihad: Tracing the Dollars Behind the Terror Networks," by Loretta Napoleoni:

"The alliance between American capitalism and Islamist fundamentalism is not limited to the creation of the Taliban; it also produced business ventures designed to extract favours from the new regime. To strengthen its bargaining power with the newly formed Islamist state, Unocal joined the Saudi Delta Oil Corporation to create a consortium called CentGas. Delta Oil is owned by the bin Mahfouz and al-Amoudi families [pivotal BCCI players], Saudi clans which have strong links with Osama bin Laden's family. Mahfouz has been sponsoring charitable institutions used as fronts for bin Laden's associates through the National Commercial Bank, which his family controls.

http://www.rense.com/general88/obbd.htm

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R&E audited financials....uggg... -- Frustrated, 21:40 -- mudturtle, 22:06:42 12/08/09 Tue
I suppose that the exclusion of Randgold Resources shares means that Investec got away with everything that they stole. The smiling bastards in the report do have a lot to laugh at us about.

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Obama's Police Youth Corps -- moonshot, 22:04:50 12/08/09 Tue
America's own Hitler Youth Group and they don't even know what Hitler's Youth is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zfz3ZdCCu8&feature=player_embedded

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the only way to kill the parasite -- Goldfish, 21:58:00 12/08/09 Tue
is to kill the host

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Goldfish -- Deepbreather, 21:22 -- Goldfish, 21:53:42 12/08/09 Tue
Ya gots it all wrong. I'm just trying to get some of MY money back. (for once)
I thought it was really nice of me to help all these folks buy new cars and houses. I get to get a lil insulation. whoopee

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miniminer.....wait a minute.......you jumped right to the answer...... -- AZAU, 21:47:04 12/08/09 Tue
I don' believe for one second you did all that modelling and analyses... Where's the data? Come-on, now no fair cheating with horse sense...

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aurator.........globalisation begets mediocrity, .....and then -- AZAU, 21:44:50 12/08/09 Tue
half-assity.

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Glenn Beck Tripping on LDS -- LilDevil, 21:43:32 12/08/09 Tue
.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USpeolBTKIo&feature=PlayList&p=D4796A9C2FDA2FF2&index=0&playnext=1

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after years of analysis and modelling -- Miniminer, 21:42:43 12/08/09 Tue
I conclude the only way to kill the parasite is to starve it...PAY OFF ALL PERSONAL DEBT and the beast will die quickly.

"CitiBank ups credit card interest rates on it's best customers by 40%"...come on folks, read between the lines!!!

ENOUGH!

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There's a song somewhere in there pu-ukunui -- aurator, 21:41:27 12/08/09 Tue
I used to think I was a regular white guy.

Then I started hanging out with blacks and found I was a Honkey.
I started hanging out with East Indians and found I was a Gorha.
I moved to Hawaii and found I was a Haole.
I went to New Zealand and found I was a Pakeha
Recently I was in Malaysia and found that I am actually a Gweilo.

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R&E audited financials....uggg... -- Frustrated, 21:40:46 12/08/09 Tue
http://www.randgold.co.za/

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Crazytimes -- De acuerdo, amigo. -- Deepbreather, 21:35:44 12/08/09 Tue
You know you're a peasant when...

When the smoke finally cleared from the financial debacle, you finally realized you were the subject of a gangster state, in thrall to a clutch of greedy, corrupt incompetent banksters who had clearly failed at their “job” but were deemed too elitist to prosecute, to fire, or to even impose penalties such as reduced compensation and bonuses.

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@ North and SS -- RIP, 21:33:34 12/08/09 Tue
Can't he make his mind up on the inflation/deflation thing?

He so often says deflation can't happen.....then says there is no money for SS.
What the feck?

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@ Deepbreather -- crazytimes, 21:32:57 12/08/09 Tue
"You criticize the government as increasingly socialistic and are quick to criticize the deadbeats, yet grab at every opportunity to benefit yourself from government handouts"

Government Handouts include TRILLIONS given to Private Contractors in no big contracts that also happen to affect Stock Prices. One Man's Socialism is another Man's Fascism. They are both the same, theft.

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Deepbreather - Americans respond favorably to these words: -- morbius, -- Deepbreather, 21:32:14 12/08/09 Tue
Si, you know you're a peasant when....

You willingly submit to “free” influenza inoculations because they’re free and you line up for hours to get one because there is a "scarcity".

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O'bomba should go back to ireland, where he came from... -- AZAU (), 21:29:11 12/08/09 Tue
or was it kenya? hell, he so many passports, who knows?

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You know you're a peasant when.... -- Deepbreather, 21:30:05 12/08/09 Tue

You finally realize that the word “entitlement” has been reserved for the underclass when, in actual fact, the hustlers of high finance and the privileged assume they are the one’s “entitled” … entitled to greed beyond comprehension.

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Cash for Caulkers.........another stealth program headed nowhere........ -- AZAU, 21:27:33 12/08/09 Tue
There are already alternative energy, and energy savings tax credits up the wazooo in the US and the states. This is proposed program is another empty lie.

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God vs Computer Chips -- LilDevil, 21:27:14 12/08/09 Tue
.
Rally Against Intel Plant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN4VI13R7s8

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"Cash for Caulkers" program -- Goldfish, 21:17:10 12/08/09 Tue -- Miniminer, 21:26:34 12/08/09 Tue
yeah, even more 'money' that we don't even have and the bill will be forced upon our grandchildren as indentured servants

each one of my grands already owes $34,400 for 'junk' they can't even enjoy or understand!!!

time to stand up for the enslaved children of tomorrow!

off with the heads of these politicians, they are thieves!

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Deepbreather - Americans respond favorably to these words: -- morbius, 21:25:51 12/08/09 Tue
"Free" and "all you can eat." That is what politicians promise.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north790.html

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Here is list-sequence of marginalisation the fed and goo has carried out to keep -- AZAU, 21:24:05 12/08/09 Tue
the herd calm:

1. Bailouts, TARP, and assurance that it was only to "save the banking system for america". Promise: system stays viable so banks can lend to god-fearing merkans. Offer National Health Care for all as the tit-for-tat.

2. No credit or stimulus filters down to main street. Goo offers "mortgage help", but nearly none happens. Unemployment hits "10+", but is really 19+.

3. Fed pumps money into wall street to drive up bank stocks, so the banksters can offload new stock to pay for the TARP bailouts. Goo still promises National Health Care.

4. National Health Care fails; Goo promises continuing War and jobs stimulus program. National Debt Ceiling is lifted another 1.5 Trillion,

5. Interest rate at zero, "money" supply at infinity, the collapse of the real economy continues.

6. Americans are forced to confront massive unemployment, no health care plan, foreclosures (homeless), no credit, and no plan for recovery of any jobs worth recovering. The sunshine pump is operated full time to keep the promises flowing, whilst actually sucking more out of the duped americans.

Ain't "change" Grand!

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Started buying GDXJ today... -- Deepbreather, 21:23:43 12/08/09 Tue
...and have "ladder" of orders that will, perhaps, trigger as the PM market selloff continues over the next few days.

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Goldfish -- Deepbreather, 21:22:06 12/08/09 Tue
You know you're a peasant when....

You criticize the government as increasingly socialistic and are quick to criticize the deadbeats, yet grab at every opportunity to benefit yourself from government handouts

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Mr. Bibs zone of influence. -- mudturtle (From Grigg), 21:20:50 12/08/09 Tue
"My question is this: Just where the hell are those good, decent, honorable police officers when their comrades are committing crimes of the kind committed against Don Joughin's children? How can a police officer direct a weaponized stream of caustic solution into the face of a terrified eleven-month-old baby in the serene knowledge that nobody among his peers would object? What does it say about the police culture in Portland that the reaction of the officers on-site was to rebuke the father of that infant, rather than grabbing the assailant and beating some decency into him?"
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/

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"Cash for Caulkers" program -- Goldfish, 21:17:10 12/08/09 Tue
I need to add some more insulation here.... might as well do it when it will 'pay'
(as disgusted as I am by all of these 'stimulus' programs)

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Sophie's Choice? -- RIP, 21:14:50 12/08/09 Tue
Schindler's List?

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AuManAJ -- RIP, 21:13:46 12/08/09 Tue
Give me a break....lol

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RIP -- AuManAJ, 21:12:29 12/08/09 Tue
Your true colors show through.

I'm bored with your tripe. I'm going to go watch a movie...

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RIP you just sound jealous, a little surfing finds... -- AuManAJ, 21:10:33 12/08/09 Tue
Jewish History as a Basis for Stereotypes

In Eastern Europe — especially in locations where Jews were outcasts in society — Jewish people learned the value of taking professions based on intellectual talent. With their family and community at risk for relocation and forced migration at a moment's notice, Jewish people couldn’t risk a normal profession that was based in land and material.

Farming, cattle raising, blacksmithing, and other normal jobs of the time were too difficult to move at a moment's notice. However jobs involving mental talents were not only easy to move, but were in high demand in most places. Thus Jews naturally became teachers, accountants, and doctors as a way to ensure that they would have a source of income regardless of where they were living. wherever they went.

Any kind of trend involving a minority ethnic or racial group, especially a group that garnered a great deal of attention, is bound to result in an exaggerated stereotype. Many other stereotypes put on the Jewish people were created in Eastern Europe during and before the 1700s. So it is very possible that the behavior of the Jewish people during migratory periods in medieval Europe created a label that survived into the modern era.

Stereotypes During Jewish Immigration to the United States

The largest influx of Jewish immigrants traveling into America occurred in the 19th century. Over two million Jews immigrated to America from Central and Eastern Europe. Most Jews emigrated to escape persecution they experienced from a myriad of sources throughout Europe. America gave a promise of success, freedom and an opportunity to live without danger of pogroms, attacks, and forced migrations.

The vast majority of these Jewish immigrants moved to highly populated cities. Most became merchants, vendors, and other types of businessmen as it was the most available profession in the eighteenth century urban setting. Very few Jewish people moved further inland than the east coast and even fewer moved to non-urban areas for a variety of reasons, including:

* Jewish people were previously cast out of cities and forced to build their own communities outside the city limits.
* Most Jewish people previously had skill sets more suited for urban areas, skills for jobs that didn’t require land, livestock, or heavy equipment and skills for jobs based on intellectual talent rather than physical talent.
* Living in the city was cheaper, and required less investment cost than the countryside.

During this time, the American Jewish community developed a cultural value to strive to be more successful than the last generation. Since America offered so many more opportunities for wealth, stability, and peace, for the Jewish people, new immigrants felt obligated to take advantage of the freedoms of America to the fullest, largely because the last generation was stifled.

When the second generation of Jewish immigrants were born, they were urged to build off the success of the first generation, because the first generation started out poorer. This cycle of improvement, combined with the value for intellectual based skills spurred from the violence of Eastern Europe, created a form of Jewish culture that put a strong emphasis on education and high paying, professional, intellectually based jobs, serving as a source of the stereotype that continues to endure.

http://judaism.suite101.com/article.cfm/all_jews_are_doctors_lawyers_and_accountants

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AZAU -- Goldfish, 21:08:47 12/08/09 Tue
President Barack Obama outlined new multibillion-dollar stimulus and jobs proposals Tuesday, saying the nation must continue to "spend our way out of this recession" until more Americans are back at work.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CF8SIO0&show_article=1

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Anyone who embraces the holocaust -- RIP, 21:08:34 12/08/09 Tue
...cheers for their own chains.

Sometimes they're loose....sometimes they tighten.
Same operators.

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Shylock was not a work of fiction -- RIP, 21:04:33 12/08/09 Tue
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morbius...BS -- RIP, 21:03:12 12/08/09 Tue
The playing field ain't level.
It hasn't been for hundreds of years.

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O'Bomba jobs program is another stealth way to "throw a bone to the dying middle class" -- AZAU, 21:02:39 12/08/09 Tue
so there is no protest over the trillions already grafted and stolen from america. And what about that glorious "health care" for everyone, where it looks more and more like the same old ripoff, and nothing will change. The Fraud and Theft continues to be the prime directive for the parasites in charge.

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RIP -- morbius, 21:00:47 12/08/09 Tue
In the words of the Somthers Brothers:
...
Italians hate Yugoslavs
South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much.

There's plenty of blame/sin to go around.
No need to accuse anybody of hoarding.

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morbius -- RIP, 21:00:09 12/08/09 Tue
I ain't perfect.
The simple question is...why is it so concentrated?

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mugwump -- Carmack (), 20:54:30 12/08/09 Tue
La de didn't say who you voted for rather that there was nary a wimper as the Wacker instituted his murdering policy.

As someone said earlier, if the word nigger is used everyone leaps up on their soap box but hundreds of thousands of women and childern being slaughtered and not a frinkin word !!

These people are partisan enablers that make this kind of evil possible .

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mozel -- Defending What America Holds Most Dear -- LilDevil, 20:56:24 12/08/09 Tue
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBocef6iQps&feature=related

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O'bomba already spending any leftover TARP money to -- AZAU, 20:54:55 12/08/09 Tue
"create jobs". Yeah, sure, like they unfroze the credit market with the banksters....uh-huh.

now, for their next trick, RAISE THE DEBT CEILING AGAIN!

Debt only a few billion away from that 12.104 T limit !

As of 12/7 $ 12.090 T

That will be the crisis of the week either friday or next week, so congress can raise the ceiling and slither away quietly for the holiday recess!

Who gives a shit, there is so much debt hidden in every corner and crack in the banks and washington, that it is all just a joke....a sick joke.

hahahahahahahahahaha!

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indiana militia corp website -- Miniminer, 20:53:20 12/08/09 Tue
"If you own a gun, you already belong to a militia"

http://www.indianamilitia.org/index.html

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Medicare would be opened up to uninsured Americans beginning at age 55 -- Goldfish, 20:51:18 12/08/09 Tue
I know some folks who will jump on this

(from mugwumps link)

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RIP - OK, let me hear it -- morbius, 20:50:35 12/08/09 Tue
If you had the power to legally print money and lend it out at interest, you would forgo?

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la di dah carmack -- mugwump, 20:46:59 12/08/09 Tue
i voted for ron paul not for bush- i posted that numerous times

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Wanna see a Jew become a libertarian? -- RIP, 20:46:00 12/08/09 Tue
Mention the draft.

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dems drop govt run insurance plan -- mugwump, 20:45:32 12/08/09 Tue
they'll only support plans backed by insurance cos and drug cos-lol!! sell out city!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091209/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

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Did I forget lawyers? -- RIP, 20:41:30 12/08/09 Tue
Warriors?
Not without a feckin' draft...with NO exemptions.

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