- @ Ukraine ... Looks Like It must Be Watched Very Closely ... --
MoreGold, 03:09:26 11/07/09 Sat
It may indicate how bad it will get elsewhere.
Ukraine’s Health Ministry on Nov. 6 said the death toll of patients with flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses (ARI) had jumped to 135, with the total number of registered cases increasing to 871, 037 over from Oct. 29.
That’s 40 more deaths and 237, 160 more cases than the Heath Ministry reported a day earlier.
While the total number of flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses is on par with previous years, the number of cases registered daily has since mid-October exceeded the epidemic threshold, leading flu specialists in Ukraine and abroad to sound the alarm bells.
Several thousand people in Ukraine die each year from acute respiratory illnesses (ARI), including flu-related ones. For the first nine months of 2009, for instance, 3, 822 people died from flu and ARI. But the spike in deaths in the last month has raised fears that the number of victims during this flu season could grow much higher.
Ihor Pokanevych, head of the WHO office in Kyiv, told Deutsche Welle on Nov. 5 that health authorities are watching to see if the seasonal strains of the flu and the swine flu will mutate into more virulent form of virus. Ukraine has become a test case of sorts.
“The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe,” Pokanevych added.
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/52114/
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- flu shot victim Desiree Jennings cured.... -- siempre33 (), 02:26:50 11/07/09 Sat
of "untreatable" neurological disorder....
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/113532
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- Delta re B. Spears -- WIFFO, 02:20:54 11/07/09 Sat
she never had any class and now wants a free lunch. Can't even be bothered doing an honest show. She would well suited to a seat on the board of Bank Ali Babba.
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- Gidsek -- siempre33 (), 02:16:35 11/07/09 Sat
apparently "collateral damage" is acceptable
if the main objective is achieved....
China's money....most likely Gold....
read man!!!
all the other crap is diversionary
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- mudturtle -- WIFFO, 02:13:51 11/07/09 Sat
1. open and accountable is essntial
It is no suprise that Ron Pauls legislation to this effectis being gutted by the bums in congress, it realy makes you wonder if they are paid and bought by the banks. There must be more discussion on this vital issue, by the mainstream.
2. fixed low interest rates would remove volatility in the economy and provide certainty and great stimulus. It may even make USA a manufacturing nation again. Certainly help to get jobs back.
3. Buffet got it right the first time..." financial derivatives are weapons of mass destruction".......haven't we just witnessed that ?
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- Fort Hood -- Gidsek, 01:51:38 11/07/09 Sat
Nothing new here, nothing to get PC about ...
muslim smuslim ... people blow a chip and off a bunch of other people all the time. It's the American way, particularly in blue states since guns are more acceptable. It happens every other week so what can be learned by dissecting the offenders characteristics and attitudes? There's always particulars and details about the shooter naturally but they don't have anything to do with anything. Statistically the sicker our country gets the more people are going to lose their sanity and pull shit like this, they will be white, brown, red and yellow, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist blah blah none of that stuff makes any difference.
gidsek
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- He was "protected and served": -- morbius, 01:49:41 11/07/09 Sat
San Jose resident Joseph Ballard bleeds into the sidewalk outside a nightclub after being tased by the police, who say that his injury was the result of a "fall."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w115.html
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- brit speared .. -- Delta-au, 01:46:26 11/07/09 Sat
Angry fans have marched out of Britney Spears' debut Australian concert in front of 17,000 fans at Perth last night. "We are really big Britney fans but it was crap," one fan, Josh Blee, was quoted as saying. "I thought after the music awards she would make up for it with a wicked concert, but she has let us down," he said.
Fans complained about Spears's lip-synching and her lack of interaction with the audience.
Some felt let down that giant screens above the stage featured circus imagery rather than close-ups of the singer live in action.
The walk-outs come a day after one politician said Spears should be forced to alert fans if she intended to MIME throughout her shows. Spears will perform 14 more concerts in Australia this month, with Melbourne next on her itinerary, followed by Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.
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- Fort Hood :: the Real Story... -- siempre33, 01:09:30 11/07/09 Sat
not the one you read about or see in the MSM...
http://www.worldreports.org/news
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- Gerald Celente's latest forecast....Obamageddon -- siempre33, 01:07:27 11/07/09 Sat
and a tribute to Christopher Story for uncovering
the truth about derivatives and much, much more...
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26052431&srchtxt=Bush
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- Gila -- morbius, 00:36:17 11/07/09 Sat
I jumped the fallout shelter
I jumped a string bean
I jumped a TV dinner
I jumped a shotgun....
Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote,
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note.
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple,
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people.
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins)
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Actually azAU -- Gila_Bob, 00:28:55 11/07/09 Sat
Friend:
RR cAU$ed the Unemploy-mint which peaked @ 10.8% in 1982.
GOLD peaked in 1980.
He got U$ out by Increasing the National Debt from $930.21 Billion
To $2,666 Billion ($2.666 Trillion) in 8 Short Years
NEVER vetoed a Budget Bill.........Not 0ne
It was mostly white-bread Welfare.......DOD Budgets
That would be an Increase of 266% -- almost a TRIPLE.
I'm sure you were protesting vigorously.........LOL
Big Bob
(Lots of pholks here decry the Unemploy-mint Rate
When
If any of thee afflicted needed shelter on their Porch
They would sh00t Them
Cr0c0dile$ Cry Harder....)
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- Pyrite, you are so archaic. -- mudturtle, 23:48:31 11/06/09 Fri
Certificates don't have any of the fancy features that you ascribe to them, and haven't had them for decades.
The only stock cert that I have that is like that is one from EJ's iTulip.com It was always worthless, and meant to be, but it is framed and on my wall.
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- WIFFO -- mudturtle, 23:41:09 11/06/09 Fri
think that one through again. It needs some work.
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- -- crazytimes (), 23:40:50 11/06/09 Fri
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- "Isn't labeling an opinion 'post modern' a kind of ad hominem" -- johnny, 23:23:25 11/06/09 Fri
yes .. its part of joeb's bent style .. I see he feels the
iraq invasion was a flaming success. He gets tiresome imo
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- A variation on "Thanks For Sharing Your Thoughts". -- mudturtle (always write to your "representatives"), 23:20:45 11/06/09 Fri
Please be assured I will keep your thoughts in mind as the Senate considers monetary policy issues. Again, thank you for contacting me and please feel free to do so again in the future.
Sincerely,
Herb Kohl
United States Senator
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- Gila....1980 was a depression. -- AZAU, 23:19:45 11/06/09 Fri
Ronnie Ray-Gun pulled us out of that depression with Full Scale Star Wars waged on the Broke Soviet.
Now, you remember, eh?
always the war solution.
always the "spending on war" recovery.
Don't get me started, you know it as well as I. At least there was an adult for Fed Head, Paul Volcker, who ministered the needed bitter medicine of high interest Rates. Remember 800 Gold?
Hah!
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- I got two of them irradiated dimes. -- Pyrite, 23:18:02 11/06/09 Fri
I tape em on the gas tank of each car and get much better mileage.
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- The solution to vampire banksterism is simple. -- WIFFO, 23:17:26 11/06/09 Fri
legislate for open and accountable banking with strict controls and harsh penalties for non disclosure. Interest rates to be set at one percent for savings and one and a quarter percent for loans. No variable interest rates. Terms for loans to be backed by an agreed security.
Abolition of financial derivatives, with a penalty of life imprisonment for non compliance.
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- fort hood -- johnny, 23:16:13 11/06/09 Fri
in the second world war .. amercan born Japanese were
only used in europe .. never in the pacific. The army
must have been smarter and more sensitive then.
Joeb's prissy rightious comments miss the point... of
course its wrong to shoot fellow soldiers .. the question
is why did he do it and could it have been avoided.
Would the US army use Jews in an operation against
Israel ?? good luck
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- Is it a good idea to have stock certs in your possession--mudturtle -- Pyrite, 23:13:31 11/06/09 Fri
Yes. The superb engraving and majesty of the fonts may convince a really dumb guy with a carp to give it to you in exchange.
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- s0 azAU -- Gila_Bob, 23:13:13 11/06/09 Fri
Friend:
Were wee inn a Depre$$ion in 1980??????????????
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UNRATE?rid=50&soid=22
Big Bob
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- Freddie Mac....how long can this ponzi scheme continue to pose as a "business?" -- AZAU (), 22:57:52 11/06/09 Fri
Freddie Mac's quarterly loss works out to $1.94 per share and includes $1.3 billion in dividends paid to the Treasury Department. It compares with a loss of $25.3 billion, or $19.44 per share, in the year-ago period.
____________________
Now trading at 1.23.
Why the hell not ZERO?
Beats the Sh*t out of me!
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- Great news for the stock markets -- mudturtle (bank failure Friday's deceased), 22:51:29 11/06/09 Fri
116. United Security Bank, Sparta, GA; Assets: $157 million. Loss to FDIC: $58 million (est.)
117. Home Federal Savings Bank, Detroit, Michigan; Assets: $14.9 million. Loss to FDIC: $5.4 million (est.)
118. Prosperan Bank, Oakdale, MN; Assets: $199.5 million. Loss to FDIC: $60.1 million (est.)
119. Gateway Bank of St. Louis, St. Louis, MO; Assets: $27.7 million. Loss to FDIC: $9.2 million (est.)
120. United Commercial Bank, San Francisco, CA; Assets: $11.2 billion. Loss to FDIC $1.4 billion (est.)
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The loss ratio for the FDIC from top to bottom:
37%
36.2%
30.1%
33.2%
12.5% only, and an outlier.
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The average loss ratio is 34.125% for the first four. Including the much larger bank give a simple ratio of 29.7%. If you think that financial weighting will do some good, then look at the loss ratios of some of the comparables to the last in the past two months.
Does FDIC wait until the losses breach 30% to close these things? Would the loss ratio have been below 10% if they shut them down a year ago? Or, was the loss ratio so baked into the cake that they didn't bother shutting them down because the new bank buyer of this poisonous junk would have been next on the list as the busteds?
Anyone that has a 1% CD with their bank should just walk from their unsecured loan to the bank and take cash and leave the scene. FDIC is broke and now must rely on naked binary digit creation to retain any notional value to their savings.
Is it a good idea to have stock certs in your possession if you are going to hold IAG or whatever suits your fancy?
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- consumers...i.e., borrowers, are done, all in, either broke or frightened to death... -- AZAU, 22:47:12 11/06/09 Fri
...And wouldn't you be if the govt helped the banksters screw you?
______________________________________________________
Consumer borrowing drops by $14.8 billion in September, record 8th straight decline
* By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
* On 7:38 pm EST, Friday November 6, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consumers borrowed less for a record eighth straight month in September amid rising unemployment and tight credit conditions. Economists worry the declines in borrowing will drag on the fledgling recovery.
AP - FILE - In this March 27, 2009 file photo, the Federal Reserve Building on Constitution Avenue in Washington. ...
The Federal Reserve said Friday that borrowing fell at an annual rate of $14.8 billion in September. That's the biggest decline since July and was larger than the $10 billion drop economists expected.
Americans are borrowing less as they try to repair cracked nest eggs and replenish rainy day funds in a dismal jobs market. Many are finding it hard to get credit as banks, hit by the worst financial crisis in decades, have tightened lending standards.
Borrowing by consumers for revolving credit, including credit cards, fell at an annual rate of 13.3 percent in September, the same as August. This category has declined for a record 12 straight months.
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starve the fecking banksters out!
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- People must not be drawn in again to these monstrous banksters -- AZAU, 22:39:48 11/06/09 Fri
that have taken control of everything.
Let the whole fecking thing collapse, and everyone but the banksters will be the better for it!
Starve out the Vampires!
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- The feckhead banksters don't get it...that their days are numbered for -- AZAU, 22:37:26 11/06/09 Fri
destroying economies and lives....
Just say NO to debt!
NYET!
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- Denninger is right about the credit collapse..... -- AZAU, 22:35:36 11/06/09 Fri
"We are a credit-based system, as are all modern monetary systems. No meaningful economic recovery can or will occur until the consumer has purged his balance sheet of the inappropriate debt he has and is once again able to earn and borrow.
If we supposedly exited the recession on or before September, it sure isn't apparent in this report. You can put a fork in that line of garbage - it's done.
PS: The next update of the Z1, due out in a couple of months, should be interesting..... especially the "Ponzi Finance" indicator...."
___________________________________________
ERGO:
people are fighting back by starving out the scumsucking banksters that depend on the blood of their victims.
good on yer!
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- Depression == Unemployment over 10% ............... -- AZAU, 22:31:34 11/06/09 Fri
no further obfuscation is necessary.
all that remains to argue is "minor" depression or "great depression".
feck the ptb for trying to deceive everyone, whilst bailing out their own.
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- He attacked the enemy of Muslims everywhere - morbius -- JoeB, 21:58:30 11/06/09 Fri
There's reasons and there's excuses, in this case, there's no excuse. Its a volunteer army, you place your bets and you take your chances. Back in HS, I was in Jr. Air Force ROTC and at sixteen I knew if I signed onto the armed forces, I was signing over my life to the military. How old was this college educated Islamic shrink?
Puleease.
Also, I don't sign-on to the post modernist concept of collective guilt, do you? We know RIP does, you with him?
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- IOZ again...just for Joe -- RIP -- JoeB, 21:53:09 11/06/09 Fri
IOZ is as morally bankrupt as the people he hates. Since your his biggest ass kisser, the same applies to you.
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- Mikikis, latest Martin Armstrong -- JoeB, 21:50:44 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21767800/Is-America-On-The-Verge-Of-Another-Bank-War-Should-We-End-The-Fed-Or-Goldman-Sachs
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- Who Files for Bankruptcies? -- Forestgold, 21:44:43 11/06/09 Fri
http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2009/11/who_files_for_b.html
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- Vet, you have that right. -- mudturtle, 21:44:35 11/06/09 Fri
"Floating currency and regulated interest rates creates the huge swings that the Aussie dollar is regularily subjected to, and the cause is entirely due to the RBA failure to appreciate the ultimate effect of their own actions."
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A hard money system would necessarily have leveled the peaks and valleys of a fiat floater "system".
Economy wrecking "capital" flows would never change as rapidly as they do now with fiat currencies that operate on the whim of the moment.
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- financial terrizm from our betters. -- mudturtle (explains how they get away with it), 21:37:32 11/06/09 Fri
Fear turns people into sheep. Once they are sheep, they will strive mightily to justify the actions of their "leaders" - whether those leaders gave trillions of dollars in bailouts or got us into war, and even if the leaders' justifications were false.
I believe this dynamic is also playing out in the fact that many Americans assume that the government has a real plan for fixing the economy, is working as hard as it can to do so, and that - eventually - things will improve.
Just as most Americans believe "since we're at war in Iraq, and since the government previously claimed that Saddam was behind 9/11, he must have been", they are probably thinking "since the government gave trillions to the giant banks and said that economists have figure out how to fix things, they must have done what was needed, and things will turn around in a v-shape recovery".
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/investor-psychology-fear-turns-people-sheep
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- credit deflation -- Miniminer, 21:32:55 11/06/09 Fri
The trend for consumer credit looks clear to me regardless of all the new 'stimulus' schemes and bailouts.....consumer credit has now contracted for 14 straight months and todays report shows the y/y contraction rate has spiraled deeper at -7.6%
The only way the economy continues is to have credit expansion---without it, the card house crumbles.
this system is doomed!!! cut losses now!!!
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- Howcum?? -- Gila_Bob, 21:31:37 11/06/09 Fri
Friends:
$SSEC didn't CRASH 2.5% after bein' led down by $INDU on LA$T Fly-Day?????????
And how many of u Turkey$ were BUYin' on Fly-Day in the LA$T HOUR like Mois???????
Wait................Don't Answer..............
These questions are ENTIRELY off the subject Matter
Of this AUgU$t Body..............
Well...............................
Back to yer regularly scheduled Diatribe$
LOL
Big Bob
(Here's the CHART for the Who Leads What Drivel:
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU&p=D&st=2009-10-12&id=p52870173333
and
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC&p=D&st=2009-10-12&id=p52870173333
and the Clincher:
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU:$SSEC&p=D&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p52870173333
Prior to this the LOW in the Ratio Range was approx. 5.75:1
U guys better H0pe the g00-r00 from Guelph
Will cover yer l0$$e$..........
M0RE L0L)
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- We're Number 37 -- moonshot, 21:28:10 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4&feature=player_embedded
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- -- -- Winston, 21:27:09 11/06/09 Fri
Reported Cases in Ukraine Double Again To 871,037
[in around 48 hours]
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11060901/Ukraine_4X.html
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- RIP @ Peak Posting -- LilDevil, 20:42:15 11/06/09 Fri
An abiotic poster ...........Snicker
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- POG has already rolled over the top in Aussie dollars.. -- The_Vet (), 20:26:56 11/06/09 Fri
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD:$XAD&p=D&yr=0&mn=3&dy=0&id=p21454154610
Of course the AUD is the subject of substantial inflows of carry trade cash which boosts the currency, stock market and other assets and that is amplified by the Reserve Bank of Australia's insistence to keep raising rates...
When the carry trade reverses (as it always does) the rush out of everything Aussie denominated and the AUD will be a short sellers dream! The problem with any country that raises rates when it isn't a basket case is that when the carry trade stops the outflow affects both the asset prices and the currency and the waterfall feeds on itself.
Initially, the inflow of "hot money" in response to higher yields, higher asset prices and an appreciating currency (offshore carry trade investors make gains in all three) completely negates the action of the RBA which raises rates "to combat inflation" because the carry trade increases the cash inflows which of course increases not decreases inflationary pressures.
For a small, politically stable economy, interest rate interference by the central bank is entirely ineffective and in fact is contraindicated. If they let the currency float (which is already the case) and allowed the interest rate to be set by the market as well the local economy would be far more stable. Floating currency and regulated interest rates creates the huge swings that the Aussie dollar is regularily subjected to, and the cause is entirely due to the RBA failure to appreciate the ultimate effect of their own actions.
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- Does this sound like peak oil? -- RIP, 20:19:21 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/in-texas-oil-sands-firms-fight-for-their-share/article1354643/
Sounds more like peak panic.
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- think I will start hoarding them... -- mudturtle, 20:07:37 11/06/09 Fri
LOL
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- actually .. -- Delta-au (), 20:03:08 11/06/09 Fri
rip lip-syncs too ..
.
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- @ round and round -- RIP, 19:57:04 11/06/09 Fri
You're the guy with the NASA gravitational mass
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- Irradiated Dimes - (1950s, 1960s) . -- Nuclearson, 19:56:28 11/06/09 Fri
During the 1950s, the Oak Ridge Graphite Reactor was the world’s single largest source of radionuclides, and the availability of these radionuclides revolutionized the field of medicine and many branches of science. The impact was no less great in the industrial sector. Radionuclides were produced in several ways, but neutron activation was perhaps the most important. The purpose of the dime irradiator at the American Museum of Atomic Energy, located in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, was to provide a dramatic demonstration of the principle of neutron activation. Today, the museum is known as the American Museum of Science and Energy.
At the time that the dime irradiator was in operation, the Museum was managed by the Oak Ridge Institute for Nuclear Studies (ORINS). ORINS is now Oak Ridge Associated Universities (ORAU).
In the late 1940s and/or early 1950s, dimes were also irradiated at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) and encased in a similar fashion (see photo to right). While I don't have any details about how the irradiation was performed at ORNL, we do have the following description in what I believe is a 1954 press release from the American Museum of Atomic Energy:
"One of the most popular exhibits in the American Museum of Atomic Energy is a "dime irradiator." To date, more than 250,000 dimes have been irradiated, encased in plastic and returned to their owners as souvenirs. The irradiator works as follows: A mixture of radioactive antimony and beryllium is enclosed in a lead container. Gamma rays from the antimony are absorbed by the beryllium atoms and a neutron is expelled by the beryllium atom in the process.
These neutrons, having no electrical charge, penetrate silver atoms in the dime. Instead of remaining normal silver-109, they become radioactive silver-110. After irradiation, the dime is dropped out through a slot in the lead container and rests momentarily before a Geiger tube so that its radioactivity may be demonstrated. It is then encased in the souvenir container. Radioactive silver, with a half-life of 22 seconds, decays rapidly to cadmium-110 (In 22 seconds, half of the radioactivity in each dime is gone, in another 22 seconds half the remainder goes, and so on until all the silver-110 has become cadmium). Only an exceedingly minute fraction of the silver atoms have been made radioactive."
The irradiated dimes were 90% silver and 10% copper. The silver consisted of equal amounts of Ag-107 and Ag-109. The absorption of the neutrons by the silver converted some of the Ag-107 to Ag-108m (400+ year half-life) and Ag-108 (2.39 min half life). Similarly, a few atoms of the Ag-109 were converted to Ag-110m (250 d half-life) and Ag-110 (25 s half-life). The bulk of the activity that was produced was due to the Ag-110 and, to a lesser extent, the Ag-108. Both of these radionuclides decayed away very quickly, within minutes. By the time the visitor was leaving the Museum, there was almost nothing left. The only activity that might be detected today would be due to trace quantities of Ag-108m, but it would require long counts and relatively sophisticated equipment. I could not detect any in the three coins in the collection.
I just bought one at an antique shop
think I will start hoarding them...
http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/medalsmementoes/dimes.htm
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- - -- faloffal, 19:47:17 11/06/09 Fri
Renko Chart Symmetry
a cool indicator!
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- RIP, 19:43:21 11/06/09 Fri Does Uranus have a moon? -- LilDevil, 19:45:58 11/06/09 Fri
Ya its called RIP, round and round it goes..........Hahahaha
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- I see Devil swallows anything...per usual -- RIP, 19:43:21 11/06/09 Fri
Does Uranus have a moon?
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- Cassini's Flyby of Saturn’s moon Enceladus -- LilDevil (), 19:38:04 11/06/09 Fri
Successful Flight Through Enceladus Plume
The Cassini spacecraft has weathered the Monday, Nov. 2, 2009, flyby of Saturn’s moon Enceladus in good health and has been sending images and data of the encounter back to Earth. Cassini had approached Enceladus more closely before, but this passage took the spacecraft on its deepest plunge yet through the heart of the plume shooting out from the south polar region. Scientists are eagerly sifting through the results.
In this unprocessed image, sunlight brightens a crescent curve along the edge of Saturn's moon Enceladus and highlights its misty plume. The image was captured by Cassini's narrow-angle camera as the spacecraft passed about 190,000 kilometers (120,000 miles) over the moon....
...At its closest point on Nov. 2, Cassini flew about 100 kilometers (60 miles) above the surface of Enceladus.
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1510.html
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/399365main_enceladus_full_full.jpg
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- - -- faloffal, 19:38:00 11/06/09 Fri
drooy
low 6.14
nice, nice, nice
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- - -- faloffal, 19:37:07 11/06/09 Fri
Pneumonic
ok, now we're getting somewhere. If anyone smokes tobacco, I suggest you refrain... I'm surrounded by smokers and MY guess is this flu will take 'em out first...
fwiw
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- RIP - I don't know what you are talking about. We GATA a lot of 'change' -- morbius, 19:35:22 11/06/09 Fri
as the GM bond holders found out - that the specifics of their contracts could change in an instant - kinda like the constitution as a 'living document'. Now we got 'living contracts'. Sure sounds like a place where I'd love to start a business, or in whose safekeeping I would trust my wealth.
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- morbius......wanna see some honesty in advertising? -- RIP, 19:32:47 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/06/and-my-wifes-boyfriend-broke-my-jaw-with-a-fence-post/
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- How about a Gummint Motors Muscle Car Enlistment bonus -- morbius, 19:28:47 11/06/09 Fri
with a deed to a Fannie Mae repo when (if) you are ever released from the 'service'?
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- @ Goldman and Obbie -- RIP, 19:28:11 11/06/09 Fri
No president has had more ammo to make a statement about GS and the other bailout turds.
As far as I can see....he is a total sellout.
Change!
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- RIP - You know, on eBay if you buy an OEM copy of Windows -- morbius, 19:24:56 11/06/09 Fri
the seller (as per agreement with Microsoft) has to send you a piece of hardware - a broken disk drive, an old memory chip - just about anything. They could redo 'cash for clunkers', only this time you only GATA trade in a car PART....an old horn, a dead battery....and they could raise the rebate to $15,000 or $20,000. Think the horse would drink?
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- morbius @ O Card -- RIP, 19:23:35 11/06/09 Fri
Oprah will give away more stuff than Goldman Obama.
Bet on it.
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- RIP - Sure you can. I'm waiting for my ObamaCard (more likely the ObamaChip).... -- morbius, 19:19:49 11/06/09 Fri
Free Obamabucks for my mortgage, utility bills, car payments, groceries......
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- Did I mention there was no money? -- RIP, 19:17:15 11/06/09 Fri
Yet POG is rising.
Think about it.
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- Oil Shipping .. -- Delta-au, 19:16:17 11/06/09 Fri
This Week .. sluggish MEG demand has seen increasing spare
VLCC tonnage .. despite some tonnage re-positioning to the
Atlantic, which has higher DHR's at the moment ..
Prior Week was good / firm demand ..
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- Consumer credit beats the street...... to the downside. -- RIP, 19:12:19 11/06/09 Fri
otal consumer credit has dropped for the 8th straight month as consumers refuse to buy stocks while maxing out their credit cards, contrary to what GE, Bernstein and Bernanke want them to do. 4 more months and the US consumer will have given the administration the reflation finger for one straight year. Excess reserves to hit $2 trillion shortly.
Total credit came in at $2.456 trillion, consisting of $889 billion ($10 billion lower than August) and $1,5667billion ($5 billion lower than August). The later category is primarily related to auto purchases thus so much for the Cash for Clunkers attempt at releveraging.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/september-consumer-credit-lower-148-billion-worse-10-billion-estimate-consumers-refuse-borro
You can lead a horse to water....but you can't inflate him.
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- Obomba..........unemployment record...... -- AZAU, 18:56:50 11/06/09 Fri
"The need for such a measure was made clear by the jobs report that we received this morning," Obama said, citing Friday's government report the jobless rate hit 10.2 percent last month, the highest since 1983.
He called it a "sobering number that underscores the economic challenges that lie ahead" and vowed that "I will not rest until all Americans who want work can find work."
...........upon which he left for the golf course.
feck the little people
hahahahahahahahahaha!
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- WileE - Chris Story -- Mikikis (), 18:42:56 11/06/09 Fri
While I cannot say that the story is completely full of sh_t....Mr. Story does have a pretty severe credibility problem historically.
Maybe he got the story fed to him by Jim Willie's Kremlin source? Hehe
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- ft. hood - -- WileE -- Earl, 18:39:00 11/06/09 Fri
Your moving into mozel's territory .... the woo-woo domain.
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- If you attempt to breed idiots -- RIP, 18:36:06 11/06/09 Fri
....eventually you will breed a genius.
Genetics and will don't mix well together.
They need to work on it.
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- Boobus likes and demands easy credit ..... Morbs -- Earl, 18:34:59 11/06/09 Fri
Yes he does ......... he likes socialism a lot too and will accept the chip up his bum for a free flu shot.
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- ft. hood - -- WileE, 18:32:38 11/06/09 Fri
check this. from chris story:
http://www.worldreports.org/news/244_fort_hood_recovery_of_the_chinese_currency_boxes
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- JoeB - I donno....He didn't ride into Kileen to off the lunch crowd at McDonald's -- morbius (), 18:30:27 11/06/09 Fri
He attacked the enemy of Muslims everywhere (everywhere that there are natural resources to be expropriated, anyway. As they said in The Godfather "It's not personal. It's just business").
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- IOZ again...just for Joe -- RIP, 18:28:27 11/06/09 Fri
Apparently there was violence on a military base. Well, my world is turned upside down. Maybe the major just confused the medical center with a wedding party.
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- JoeB - Armstrong -- Mikikis, 18:27:56 11/06/09 Fri
Can you give me link to it pls?
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- We've been fucking them over for at least 50 years... -- JoeB, 18:25:49 11/06/09 Fri
There's reasons for one's behavior and then there's excuses. There's no excuses for what happened on that military base. His behavior is inexcusable.
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- forthecraic -- Mikikis (), 18:25:18 11/06/09 Fri
Not goat...try camel....go look again....
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- It takes two participants to turn credit into cash -- RIP, 18:24:03 11/06/09 Fri
....otherwise you get a 30% credit card charge.
See the divergence in rates?
Understand what that means?
The market is desperately seeking a bubble.
But there are none.
Your own bank is telling you as much.
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- that the desire of certain individuals will always be to cheat it -- JoeB, 18:22:57 11/06/09 Fri
Read the latest Martin Armstrong and you'll conclude just that. Gold itself is not the single answer, I'm more the advocate of free banking. But I'd wager Mr. Armstrong would take issue with that and the absence of a central bank.
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- @ Boobus likes and demands easy credit. -- RIP, 18:15:52 11/06/09 Fri
Gee....do you ever wonder how prices got so high....and now, they can no longer maintain them?
It's called 'no feckin' money'
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- Mikikis - Don't discount the fact that -- morbius, 18:11:53 11/06/09 Fri
Boobus likes and demands easy credit. There are two sides to the Fiat bargain.
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- JoeB -- Mikikis, 18:07:56 11/06/09 Fri
I was really trying to stay on the idea of fiat and gold.....honest money....we can fall into a huge philosophical discussion here....my comments were really about whether human nature could ever maintain an honest money system for very long considering that the desire of certain individuals will always be to cheat it and potentially change it into something more corrupt....
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- Yeah...and Goldman's tribal allegiance is to jews. -- RIP (), 18:06:33 11/06/09 Fri
Yer point???
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- It won't end till the guillotine arrives -- Earl, 18:05:04 11/06/09 Fri
Civil War In Corporate America: Banks Battling The Chamber On Accounting Rules
Amid the ongoing financial regulation overhaul, the banking industry is hoping to pull off a quiet power grab that has eluded its grasp since the Great Depression, by stripping the independence of the board that sets financial accounting standards.
The move could effectively let banks set their own accounting standards in rough economic times.
Astonishingly, at a time when the public is crying out for greater regulation to limit excessive risk-taking by financial institutions, the banks are trying to get Congress to agree that the next time there's a big downturn, they should have the ability to alter their accounting standards -- essentially, fudge the numbers -- so that the public and investors won't be able to tell how insolvent they really are. By ignoring their declining asset values, they can avoid the standard requirement of raising more capital.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/civil-war-in-corporate-am_n_347704.html&cp
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/civil-war-in-corporate-am_n_347704.html&cp
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- Yer listening to the wrong news sources -- JoeB, 18:02:28 11/06/09 Fri
No, I haven't given the story that mush of my time and the original report stated he was a convert. So he isn't, the point still stands his tribal alligence was to Islam.
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- JoeB - Muslims -- morbius, 18:01:53 11/06/09 Fri
We've been fucking them over for at least 50 years, and we are surprised when some take offense? At least in WWII they were smart enough to send German-Americans and Italian-Americans to the Pacific and Japanese-Americans to Europe (or the Camps).
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- Since when does a Jordanian become a 'convert' to Islam? -- RIP, 18:01:19 11/06/09 Fri
Yer listening to the wrong news sources.
As if anything else is new.
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- Goat Grab -- forthecraic, 18:00:05 11/06/09 Fri
Been to many of those. Quite good.Especially with some Sedeki
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- and go defend US ideals in Afghanistan. -- JoeB, 17:58:30 11/06/09 Fri
Unlike the board's "doctrinaire libertarian" I don't define a nation as its government (taht's called collective guilt), so there's no US ideals in Afghanistan to defend. There's only the geopolitical goals of the US government and I have never made an explicit or implicit defense of the state, though I imagine that the intellect of some people are limited enough to conclude that I have.
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- NET.V did over 4 million shares -- siempre33 (), 17:56:26 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.stockwatch.com/oldsite/oldsite_quote.aspx?symbol=NET®ion=C
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- Where is the political correctness? -- RIP, -- JoeB, 17:53:52 11/06/09 Fri
He was a convert to Islam. It appears that part (or maybe all) of his motivation laid in the fact he was more a tribal member of Islam, than he was of the US armed forces. Islam, is where he found his primary allegiance. In no time flat, the PC crowd went on the attack for anyone who would make that an issue. Look at doran's earlier post about the Orlando shooter being a christian, why is that important in a majority christian nation? Oh, that's right, to counter the argument about dangerous muslims. Pul-ease, don't be coy.
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- Tell ya what, asshole -- RIP, 17:50:48 11/06/09 Fri
Put down the paintbrush....and go defend US ideals in Afghanistan.
You might wanna figure em out first.
Otherwise STFU
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- to stand guard and enforce -- JoeB, 17:49:35 11/06/09 Fri
The majority are ready and waiting to enforce their morality (which they see as being good) on others or hiring someone to do it for them. The problem lies in defining what is and isn't "good." Do you think the Nazi's thought they were evil or that they were doing a social good?
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- the best save! -- siempre33, 17:49:22 11/06/09 Fri
I just found this incredible photo....for hockey fans..
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26078616
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- Where is the political correctness? -- RIP, 17:47:28 11/06/09 Fri
Guns cannot be an issue...it was a military base.
Nationality cannot be an issue.....the shooter was born in the US.
There is nothing at all partisan here.
The simple question is why?
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- JoeB -- Mikikis, 17:42:56 11/06/09 Fri
I think the key is the number of people willing to stand guard and enforce that "minimizing"......because the bad stuff comes out all on its own....
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- I see the reticence to discuss the shooting. -- JoeB, 17:42:53 11/06/09 Fri
the topic is laced with political correctness, so what purpose is served in being blackened up with that tar baby? And of course we know your agenda on the topic and that's to come swooping down from your high horse to proclaim the dead had it coming and Americans are the embodiment of evil. Go get your jollies elsewhere.
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- Hey Philbond -- Mikikis (), 17:40:39 11/06/09 Fri
Found a pic online that I bet would make your mouth water....couldn't resist sharing it.....says 'picnic' all over it.....bet BWP even would dig in if you threw some hummus on top....
(yes...it is exactly what it looks like for those who haven't figured it out)
...I do of course expect that your reply will be equally as creative.....
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- Great stuff APOLLO -- RIP (), 17:38:56 11/06/09 Fri
Can I see you, and raise you a Gacey?
'Warped' will always be with us.
But the determination to make people more warped....is a whole 'nother question.
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- Fiat versus gold (a rant) -- Mikikis -- JoeB, 17:37:45 11/06/09 Fri
We'll never be able to eradicate evil or corruption. The best you can hope for is to minimize the effects by those among us who do wrong and maximize the incentive for everyone else to do good.
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- RIP -- Mikikis (), 17:35:55 11/06/09 Fri
Where in the world are people fed something other than lies by their leaders?
Hardly seems exclusive to Gringolandia.
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- @ Hood shooting -- RIP, 17:34:06 11/06/09 Fri
People here will tell you how inflation is rampant, the dollar is worthless....and whatever.
But...they will never ever tell you how the internal morals of being fed a lie too long are crumbling.
I see the reticence to discuss the shooting.
US exceptionalism rules.....for now.
Carry on.
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- Nuke & RIP - here's a jolly old CND soul - he's probably out on Parole - aye -- APOLLO, 17:31:26 11/06/09 Fri
Robert Pickton was Arrested in 2002 in Vancouver British Columbia, after RCMP served a search warrant at his pig farm for illegal firearms but the investigators found more than they bargained for when they stumbled across human remains in one of the slaughter houses on the farm. In early 2002 police laid their first murder charged on Pickton which eventually lead to the property being excavated and being known as one of Canada’s largest crime scene. Robert Pickton has been accused of killing over 50 prostitutes but he only claims he killed 49 because he got caught before he got the chance to do his fiftieth victim. He killed his victims, dismembered them, then gutted them and fed the remains to his pigs from 1983 to 2002 when police finally caught him.
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- Romanov - CALVF -- Mikikis, 17:29:07 11/06/09 Fri
Wish I had kept a log of the times which you speak about CALVF being up lots.....would love to calculate the cumulative gain of all those times (must be in the thousands of percent by now)....yet the stock still trades at 7c.....
I suspect that part of the story isn't being reported by your posts....just a suspicion of course....
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- Fiat versus gold (a rant) -- Mikikis (), 17:27:09 11/06/09 Fri
The struggle of honesty versus corruption and greed. Does anybody here really think that we can harness and control the drive of a few powerful individuals to attempt to screw all their neighbours in any society in any part of the world? In the history of humanity I'm not sure that we have ever achieved this...doesn't mean that it cannot be done, but that nasty part seems to never go away....
Goldbug idealism.....it is like the hope that politicians can one day be sincere and serving the best interests of their citizens. That's one thing I like about Mexico - here folks don't entertain thoughts of politicians being anything other than what they have been for centuries...lying, thieving crooks. No illusions about it. We have a long uphill climb to that place of a better world, best to bring lots of extra food and water......and protection.....and throw in a miracle...because it will be necessary.....
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- Healthcare provision seeks to embrace prayer treatments -- doran (), 17:25:50 11/06/09 Fri
A little-noticed measure would put Christian Science healing sessions on the same footing as clinical medicine. Critics say it violates the separation of church and state.
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-health-religion3-2009nov03,0,2239900.story
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- Calvf +16.67% -- Romanov -- Kitcotodd, -- Romanov, 17:25:35 11/06/09 Fri
Sneaking the stock up on low volume so noone notices.
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- Medicare -- doran, 17:19:29 11/06/09 Fri
If you are a Medicare recipient and you need custodial care for non-medical reasons, you're on your own. But if you are a Christian Scientist, the Medicare Act authorizes payment for your housing in a government-defined "religious non-medical health care facility." This is code for a Christian Science nursing home, the only type of facility to ever lay claim to Medicaid dollars as a "non-medical health care facility." These are places where the "non-medical health care" that is offered is prayer. The so-called nurses there will not take a pulse or a temperature, nor call for a doctor. But, they will call for a practitioner to pray. In fact, they require that residents retain a fee-for-service Christian Science prayer provider. The Sanatoria bill the government to the tune of 8-10 million dollars a year. Despite protests and lawsuits by healthcare advocates and taxpayers, such strange bedfellows as Orin Hatch and Ted Kennedy have steadfastly promoted this federal subsidy of a religious practice.
http://www.nospank.net/asser.htm
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- How about that 13 year old girl who was raped -- APOLLO -- Nuclearson -- RIP, 17:19:24 11/06/09 Fri
Shhhhh!
We're the good guys.
Folks here hate it when you point out flaws.
They might call you 'un-American'
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- APOLLO -- RIP, 17:14:22 11/06/09 Fri
I suggest you visit Somalia...and try to talk some sense into them.
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- SPX influence on Gold Stocks -- AU_NB, 17:13:59 11/06/09 Fri
[What has been know here...but in picture form]
"Before we dive into the particulars of the SPX’s outsized influence on the PM stocks, it is crucial to keep the strategic context in mind. Since its early-March despair-driven low, the SPX has entered a new cyclical bull market. Mid-upleg pullbacks to rebalance sentiment are natural and healthy within all bulls, no matter how powerful. But today with traders still on edge thanks to the panic, the SPX’s pullbacks poison sentiment universally. When this SPX bull wavers, even unrelated markets get nervous."
**
" The bottom line is since the panic, gold is no longer the sole important driver of PM stocks. The fortunes of the general stock markets, particularly when pullbacks spark fear, have become nearly as important as gold. While SPX action is meaningless fundamentally for gold stocks, it still really influences universal sentiment. Falling general stocks frighten PM-stock traders who in turn start dumping their PM stocks."
http://www.zealllc.com/2009/huispx.htm
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- How about that 13 year old girl who was raped -- APOLLO -- Nuclearson, 17:13:18 11/06/09 Fri
there was a trial around here a few months ago where an amerkan soldier had raped a 14 year old iragi and then wiped out her whole family for kicks...
what kinda religion was he practicing?
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- Dark Lord of Fiat -- Mikikis, 17:13:03 11/06/09 Fri
I'm on his trail....found his suit online...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hornbuckle/514924777/
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- Mikikis - got it - thanks -- APOLLO, 17:10:38 11/06/09 Fri
have a good weekend.
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- Adultery in Judaism -- doran, 17:08:34 11/06/09 Fri
Rabbinic Judaism
Though the Torah prescribes the death penalty by stoning for adultery, the legal procedural requirements were very exacting and required the testimony of two witnesses of good character for conviction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery
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- GGN NAV -- Pyrite, 17:08:01 11/06/09 Fri
back to about even after a significant PREMIUM.
http://www.cefconnect.com/Details/Summary.aspx?ticker=GGN
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- Apollo - my 14:36 post -- Mikikis, 17:07:03 11/06/09 Fri
Guess I shouldn't have posted during market hours. Had nothing to do with Obamacare....was just a story that I found genuinely touching and shared. Being the father of a child exactly that age it really hit home.
Regarding Obamacare...not being from the U.S. I have to admit that I haven't been paying much attention to the entire thing, and know little of the details other than that it is a medical package (system?) being promoted by the Obama camp. Couldn't tell you what I think of it because I don't even know what it is really in detail. I'll leave that stuff to you U.S. folks to figure out....
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- The one group in Afghanistan I have zero respect for....are the Brits -- RIP (), 17:05:19 11/06/09 Fri
How many times do you need your ass handed to you?
Do you think the US and NATO will make this time different?
Geordie is the biggest ass on the face of this planet.
He almost makes Tony look good.
And that's saying something.
BTW....the Canucks are headed outta the dump in 2011.
Too many years too long.
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- How about that 13 year old girl who was raped -- APOLLO, 17:01:32 11/06/09 Fri
naw, these guys aren't violent - just want to practice their religion
Somali adulterer stoned to death
Islamists in southern Somalia have stoned a man to death for adultery but spared his pregnant girlfriend until she gives birth.
Abas Hussein Abdirahman, 33, was killed in front of a crowd of some 300 people in the port town of Merka.
An official from the al-Shabab group said the woman would be killed after she has had her baby.
This is the third time Islamists have stoned a person to death for adultery in the past year.
Al-Shabab official Sheikh Suldan Aala Mohamed said Mr Abdirahman had confessed to adultery before an Islamic court.
"He was screaming and blood was pouring from his head during the stoning. After seven minutes he stopped moving," an eyewitness told the BBC.
The BBC's Mohammed Olad Hassan in Mogadishu says that if the woman is also killed, her baby would be given to relatives to look after.
Last month, two men were stoned to death in the same town after being accused of spying.
A 13-year-old girl was stoned to death for adultery in the southern town of Kismayo last year.
Human rights groups said she had been raped.
Another man has also been punished in this way in the Lower Shabelle region.
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- Dude was apparently born in Virginia....39 years ago -- RIP, 16:54:36 11/06/09 Fri
Why he cracked?
Your call.
Just keep pressing....and you will see how many are like him.
You aren't defending shit.
You are causing mayhem and grief.
These guys know.
Up to you.....Obama.
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- Adultery and the Bible -- doran, 16:54:27 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.bible.ca/s-adultery.htm
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- Somali adulterer stoned to death -- doran, 16:53:50 11/06/09 Fri
Islamists in southern Somalia have stoned a man to death for adultery but spared his pregnant girlfriend until she gives birth.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8347216.stm
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- There is a need to wrap your warped head around something. -- RIP, 16:48:18 11/06/09 Fri
Latch on to what makes you feel better.
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- Political correctness is alive... -- JoeB, 16:47:54 11/06/09 Fri
even among some gold bugs (or so they claim).
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- Much easier when the killer is a Muslim -- RIP, 16:42:32 11/06/09 Fri
Even if he was a psychiatrist.
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- UK Islamist Leader: We Will force Queen to Wear Burka When Islamic Law Rules over UK -- doran, 16:41:56 11/06/09 Fri
http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/11/01/uk-islamist-leader-we-will-force-queen-to-wear-burka-when-islamic-law-rules-over-uk/
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- -- -- Winston, 16:41:38 11/06/09 Fri
The Party is Only Starting
Mike Larson
Money and Markets
Now, the Fed is doing the same thing again, but on an even grander scale. It’s inflating virtually every asset under the sun — junk bonds, corporate bonds, gold, commodities, stocks, you name it. And rather than proactively taking steps to control the markets … before they get OUT of control … they just told the market this week to let the good times roll!
Regulators, Congress looked the other way while Fannie, Freddie, and mega-banks drove themselves off a cliff!
It’s not just Fed policymakers. It’s the banking regulators and Congress, too!
I been saying you should forget the empty talk you’re hearing about tighter policy? Because action is what counts. And it is abundantly clear to me that the Fed won’t take action until it’s forced to by a dollar crash, a bond market collapse, or some combination of both.
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/fed-signals-all-systems-go-for-more-inflation-36299
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- Alito troubled by concerns over court's Catholics -- doran, 16:36:26 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilrSLUqiuo2NLajzD0mitKGNwM3wD9BF40LO0
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- (may be Christian!)... -- JoeB, 16:34:46 11/06/09 Fri
Wow, imagine, in a nation that's overwhelming Christian, a killer was Christian. What are the odds?
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- Christians to Get Their Own Exclusive Prison? Loopholes for Religious People Keep Growing -- doran, 16:20:14 11/06/09 Fri
"I may just have to convert to Catholicism so I can charge the US and my insurance provider to cover my near-sightedness treatments at Lourdes."
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143746/christians_to_get_their_own_exclusive_prison_loopholes_for_religious_people_keep_growing
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- Even the bugs have no clue what to do -- RIP, 16:18:54 11/06/09 Fri
It doesn't make sense.
Need I repeat the Chewbacca defense?
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- BREAKING: HIGHRISE SHOOTING SPREE IN ORLANDO -- doran (), 16:18:25 11/06/09 Fri
UPDATED: 1 killed, 5 injured, gunman now in custody (may be Christian!)...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7503
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- Bachmann-Teabag Overdrive Features Holocaust 'Health Care' Protest Photo/Banner -- doran, 16:15:16 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7503
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- RIP - Full Spectrum Dominance, eh? -- morbius, 16:13:25 11/06/09 Fri
Nemesis.
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- Remember when... -- JoeB, 16:11:20 11/06/09 Fri
a six dollar up day was huge?
We've come along way.
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- I've had enough -- Sherlock, 16:10:50 11/06/09 Fri
See y'all Monday...http://www.marketwatch.com/story/goldman-gets-vaccine-public-is-sick-over-it-2009-11-06
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- The Asians? -- RIP, 16:10:23 11/06/09 Fri
They have no clue what to do.
Nothing is set in Asia.
And I mean nothing.
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- No hurry... a second window -- Sherlock, 16:05:59 11/06/09 Fri
Whenever a window closes they just open another... No hurry to get a job either....http://www.marketwatch.com/story/window-lengthens-for-first-time-buyer-tax-credit-2009-11-06
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- 80 Point reversal on the SM -- APOLLO, 16:05:34 11/06/09 Fri
calling out a lower USD off that report - we wake up to it on Monday. Seasonal USD chart is at our back & this report will not be liked by the Asians et al. See you Monday.
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- @ like doin' that last set of bicep curls -- BWP, 16:01:33 11/06/09 Fri
... why do they pick on us? ... the 'bugs just want $3783.72 gold ... they're shellin' out way more than that fer executive bonuses ...
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- $2.60 ta go .... -- BWP -- Earl, 15:58:33 11/06/09 Fri
It's like doin' that last set of bicep curls ........... fail
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- ... feck 'em ... feck the cruel bastards .... -- BWP, 15:57:35 11/06/09 Fri
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- $2.60 ta go .... -- BWP, 15:56:32 11/06/09 Fri
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- ... three lousy bucks away from $1100 .... -- BWP, 15:54:09 11/06/09 Fri
... c'mon, give us a break .... the 'bugs will luv ya fer it ... I know I would ...
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- RIP - Yep. It's like them horror movies -- morbius, 15:53:02 11/06/09 Fri
where the human hosting the alien slug is killed, and the slug just comes outa the dead guy's mouth and jumps into another human host.
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- BWP -- Hambone, 15:52:21 11/06/09 Fri
Yeah, I saw her. You showed her your maple and she turned into a potted plant as you weaved your way out.
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- morbius -- RIP, 15:47:43 11/06/09 Fri
The 'war party' has already taken over the Dems.
From now on...we only have good wars.
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- @ I've been at the party as long as you have -- BWP, 15:47:39 11/06/09 Fri
... so OK, did ya see the babe inna red dress by the parallel bars? ... she was goin' out wif Marvin Diddles and then I showed her my Maple and she became mine right after ... if ya were at the party, ya would have known this ...
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- The Tea Party's Takeover of the GOP -- doran -- JoeB, 15:47:31 11/06/09 Fri
Gosh, its so much better when the authoritarian left spit on soldiers and called them baby killers or set other peoples SUV's on fire or spiked trees to injure lumberjacks or threw blood on the fur coats of rich women. Yes indeed, that's the really civil, civil disobedience.
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- Doran - of course if it were a Dem gathering, -- APOLLO, 15:47:21 11/06/09 Fri
it would be the greatest cross-dressing party in DC history. By the way, did you know that a "sex change" is an approved 100% cost coverage in Obamacare?? The cost of such, exceeds the entire life-time tax payment of an average american worker - we be cutting costs alright.
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- accounting for Nadler 101 -- 2bro2b, 15:46:37 11/06/09 Fri
Accountants like double-entry bookkeeping and balance sheets and stuff so they can keep track of things. They like to record assets on one side, and liabilities on the other side, to make sure that everything adds up, to check that everything's been properly recorded. So they like to list currency as a liability of central banks (even though it isn't, because there's no promise to redeem it, or pay interest on it), and assets on the other side. An accountant would freak out if he recorded currency as a liability and couldn't find an equivalent value of assets. He would say that the central bank is a Ponzi scheme. Which of course it is. And it's just not worth the hassle of trying to explain to accountants that some Ponzi schemes are sustainable, really."
http://www.kitco.com/ind/nadler/nov062009.html
no-account adj. Informal Worthless; good-for-nothing: my no-account brother-in-law.
So Nadler is not some sort of no-account, there is just nothing in it.
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- doran - Beats the hell outa the War Party takeover of the GOP -- morbius, 15:45:11 11/06/09 Fri
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- enjoy hambone........... -- Kitcotodd, 15:45:05 11/06/09 Fri
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- BWP -- Hambone, 15:43:19 11/06/09 Fri
OH, BS. I've been at the party as long as you have, and had more to drink.
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- The Tea Party's Takeover of the GOP -- doran, 15:42:43 11/06/09 Fri
This past weekend, the Minnesota Republican went on Fox News and called on viewers to show up on the Capitol lawn on Thursday at noon for a press conference and a last ditch attempt to kill health care reform. The gathering that resulted was marked by the now-routine extremism of the Tea Party conservatives. "I'm a bitter gun owner who votes," read one sign. Others questioned President Obama’s citizenship, portrayed him as Sambo, or called him a traitor. One said, "Obama takes his orders from the Rothschilds." Old ladies wore red T-shirts decrying "Obamao care." The crowd also took spirited swipes at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. At one point someone yelled, "Put down your Botox and show yourself."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/11/tea-partys-takeover-gop
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- @ Things are about to change. -- BWP, 15:41:39 11/06/09 Fri
.... it's already all changed ... ya missed the party ....
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- POG up all time high -- lady_bug, 15:41:04 11/06/09 Fri
and damn stocks kept down, shorted, FED's way to control Gold, also with all thos ETF's sucking up PM money, which would have gone to PM stocks
Damn, damn
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- IAG -- APOLLO, 15:40:53 11/06/09 Fri
Alert Triggered for IAG:
IAG's Trading Volume Exceeded Daily Average by 50.0%
IAG is up $0.63 or 3.96% to $16.52 on heavy volume that exceeded
its daily average by 50.0%. This performance is better than the
broader averages as the S&P 500 is up 0.12% on the day.
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- I'm sure - -- Hambone, 15:40:03 11/06/09 Fri
you've all heard about the old saw "this time is different" when nothing is really different. But IMO, this time it really is. The last time we had unemployment like this we were net savers, ran a trade surplus, and didn't have a nearly 10% budget deficit year over year.
This time is different. Gold at a new all time high is different.
Things are about to change.
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- ... bread fer the masses ... -- BWP, 15:36:01 11/06/09 Fri
"Obama: Gov't working to ease pain of joblessness- AP"
... yeah, legalize weed and have a Free Beer Day every Tuesday ...
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- The Ft. Hood shooting was also on Guy Fawkes day -- RIP, 15:32:22 11/06/09 Fri
Discuss.
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- Is this retarded?....or is it only me. -- JoeB, 15:31:17 11/06/09 Fri
I take it that's a rhetorical question?
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- Michelle Bachmann's insurgncy tea party....on Guy Fawkes day....lol -- RIP, 15:30:16 11/06/09 Fri
"Hi everyone!" Bachmann said to the cheering crowd. "You came!" On short notice, too. Bachmann planted the seed only last week when she told Sean Hannity of Fox News that she hoped viewers would come to her press conference and then walk through the congressional office buildings, "up and down through the halls, find members of Congress, look at the whites of their eyes and say, 'Don't take away my health care.' "
http://www.slate.com/id/2234724/
Is this retarded?....or is it only me.
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- ... hard ta bleev gold won't close over $1100 ..... -- BWP, 15:28:44 11/06/09 Fri
.... no reason fer this blockage 'cept cruelty ... put up yer hand if they've been cruel ta ya .... yeah, just askin' ...
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- Kitcotodd -- Hambone, 15:24:55 11/06/09 Fri
Haven't looked at it in a long time.
Ask me next week. Having a few brews today.
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- COT report neutral -- Kitcotodd, 15:23:32 11/06/09 Fri
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- Only if -- morbius -- RIP, 15:22:09 11/06/09 Fri
Ask the artist.
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- Hambone -- Kitcotodd, 15:22:00 11/06/09 Fri
I've had a position in FRG in my core from lower levels. It's not top ten largest, but I have a fair amount. Has anything changed in the fundamentals that you can see?
Thanks in advance and hope all is well.
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- didn't you see Powell's UN presentation? -- JoeB, 15:19:47 11/06/09 Fri
File that under: bread and circuses.
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- Wall Street bankers at front of queue for scarce swine flu vaccine -- doran, 15:17:49 11/06/09 Fri
Just when you thought the popularity of Wall Street bankers had hit rock bottom, top US financial institutions have caused uproar for allegedly muscling their way to the front of the queue to get hold of scarce swine flu vaccines.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/nov/06/wall-street-bankers-swine-flue
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- Well, you knew this would come out in the liberal press -- APOLLO, 15:17:02 11/06/09 Fri
Family and fellow officers said Hasan had complained of harassment by other troops about his Middle Eastern ethnicity and Muslim faith.
Le Pouvre - he was teased, so he killed a dozen & destroyed the lives of dozens of others - people who were completely unarmed.
Unbelievable. Can you imagine what the coverage would have been if this guy listened to Rush Limbaugh every day - or worked on Wall Street or at a bank - or was a Republican or had any conservative views-thoughts about the world.
Beam me up Scotty
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- @ Predict ... Cotts -- MoreGold, 15:16:25 11/06/09 Fri
Should be pretty ugly... The Rats Are BACK...
PAPER For Everybody!
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- RIP - Only if -- morbius, 15:15:18 11/06/09 Fri
Art imitates life.
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- RIP - The UberBankster -- morbius -- RIP, 15:14:02 11/06/09 Fri
Is that out as a video game yet?
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- @the man behind the curtain - Morbius -- Smythe, 15:13:53 11/06/09 Fri
is a Brit not a Jew. I am thinking the same. Been delving into the Fabians, Round Table, Rhodes etc. Viscious bunch of eugenicist , in-bred (how ironic), world domination wets. They have not abandoned their old games. They use fiat to grow their economy via foreign plunder. Never did an honest days work.
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- @ top secret policies papers -- RIP, 15:12:38 11/06/09 Fri
Hell....didn't you see Powell's UN presentation?
That anthrax vial sure worked.....didn't it?
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- RIP - The UberBankster -- morbius, 15:10:57 11/06/09 Fri
The Dark Lord of Fiat.
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- don't have a clue in hell why Iraq was invaded. -- JoeB, 15:10:25 11/06/09 Fri
And until you can offer up the top secret policies papers which reveal the reasons for the invasion, your guesses are no better then ours and I never said mine where anything but guesses.
Let me add, that if one really wants to place the best guess, look at the results and what can one conclude? That the real objective was to place the region into even greater chaos. And if that was the objective, then its been a raging success.
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- @ These fiat money boys ain't stupid -- BWP, 15:10:00 11/06/09 Fri
... and ya won't see 'em at the church or the synagogue or the mosque ... they don't give a shit 'bout religion ... they fuck 'em all .... munny is their only way ta power ... munny's not the goal ...
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- morbius -- RIP, 15:08:40 11/06/09 Fri
What guy behind the curtain?
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- Fort Hood army officer shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before shooting rampage -- doran, 15:08:39 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-alive
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- At least eight injured in shooting at Orlando office building -- doran, 15:07:28 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/orlando-office-shooting
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- What was Wheeler doing betting Puts/Calls on Franco-Nevada?? -- APOLLO, 15:06:37 11/06/09 Fri
What's the old ditty about the ability to "Mess" up a Free Lunch
Coeur loses money despite record precious metals production, revenues
Coeur d'Alene Mines CEO Dennis Wheeler forecasts an average silver price of $16.63/oz and an average gold price of $1010/oz next year.
Author: Dorothy Kosich
Posted: Friday , 06 Nov 2009
RENO, NV -
While Coeur d'Alene Mines has experienced what CEO Dennis Wheeler called "a year of exhilarating growth" with record gold and silver production, the Idaho-based silver miner still reported a net loss during the third quarter of $17.3 million or negative 52-cents per share.
Meanwhile, the upcoming Bolivian elections have not made life easy for Coeur's new San Bartolome mine, after the government temporarily suspended mining activities above the elevation of 4,400 meters.
In a conference call to analysts Thursday to discuss financial results, however, Wheeler noted, "Looking forward to 2010, most economists and analysts seem very much in accord with a strong gold and silver market and the direction of metals' prices. ...The average estimated for 2010 silver and gold prices are $16.63 and $1010 respectively."
For the third quarter of this year, Coeur reported record silver production of 5.2 million ounces, an 86% increase over last year, which was driven by two new mines, San Bartolome in Bolivia and Palmarejo in Mexico. Gold production soared 222% to 29,000 ounces during the quarter due to the ramp-up of Palmarejo, which produced 24,289 ounces during the quarter.
For the first nine months of this year, Coeur mined 12.6 million ounces of silver and 46,541 ounces of gold, compared to 6.9 million ounces of silver and 39.087 ounces of gold during the same period last year.
Wheeler told analysts Coeur will mine 18 million ounces of silver this year, twice the 2008 production levels. The company also expects to produce 70,000 ounces of gold for this year, a 52% increase over last year.
However, losses on derivatives based on the Palmarejo gold royalty obligations, the Franco-Nevada warrant, put and call options, the gold lease facility and forex contracts cost the company $35.7 million in income during the third quarter.
Losses on derivative instruments for the first nine months of this year were $49.6 million, while interest expense was $12 million related to the gold lease facility, royalty obligations and other short-term borrowings.
In spite of an all-time high in revenue of $89.8 million during the quarter, a 146% increase over the third-quarter 2008, Coeur reported a net loss of $17.3 million or negative 23-cents per share, compared to a net loss of $4.6 million or negative 7-cents/sh for the third quarter of 2008.
For the first nine months of this year, Coeur reported a net income of $384,000 and one-cent per share, compared to a loss of $4.7 million or negative 9-cents/sh for the same period a year ago.
SAN BARTOLOME
The mine plan at the Bolivian mine has been temporarily adjusted while mining above 4,400 meters as stability studies of the Cerro Rico Mountain are undertaken by state mining company COMIBOL. The potential impact of the revised mine plan in the fourth quarter may be up to 500,000 ounces of silver.
Wheeler told analysts, "Although the news media sends mixed messages, I want you to know that the President of Bolivia has affirmed his support for private investment and San Bartolome continues to enjoy the full support of the mining cooperatives, the business community at large and our outstanding employees."
"We do expect to, following the national Bolivian elections in December, that the situation temporarily confining mining operations to the 4,400 foot elevation and below will be resolved," he said.
Wheeler said that "we are clearly of the view that our activities are not in any way destabilizing Cerro Ricco Mountain because we are completely a surface mining operation utilizing no explosives there."
"The government is clearly interested in studying the impact of somewhat unregulated and unorganized activities that occur with numerous underground mining groups within the mountain," he added.
Wheeler told the analysts Coeur has high-grade ore reserves above the 4,400 level. "Clearly we have the rights to mine these and we will," he stressed.
"At the same time I will tell you that because we're in an election season for the presidency down there, we are accommodating the request of the government there although the president has clearly confirmed support for our investment there," Wheeler added.
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- WileE -- RIP, 15:06:24 11/06/09 Fri
I'll be cheering Mine That Bird in the Classic.
I'm not in love with his owners....but I saw him last year at Woodbine.
GATA love a gelding.....lol
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- RIP - I just cannot believe that Israel has -- morbius, 15:04:03 11/06/09 Fri
been able to TOTALLY hijack US foreign policy. These fiat money boys ain't stupid. Their profit comes before anything else - even Israel. They made sure that Jews are visible. Big Bad Bankster Bernanke? Give me a break. He's just a Fall Guy. Just a gut feeling (you know about those, right?), but I think the Guy Behind The Curtain is a Brit, not a Jew.
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- Ron Paul survived -- Sherlock, 15:02:00 11/06/09 Fri
All that says, is that his congressional district in Texas has quite a few sensible citizens. But he didn't fit the bill on a national stage. Blame on TMA syndrome... (Too-Many-Assholes )
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- And Joe sez.... -- RIP, 15:01:56 11/06/09 Fri
2) To maintain Israeli hegemony in the region.
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IOWs morbius and joe..... don't have a clue in hell why Iraq was invaded.
Nice guess, though....lol
And it still ain't over......until you withdraw.
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- APOLLO -- Hambone, 15:00:44 11/06/09 Fri
The big thing HL did is clean up its balance sheet. Compare that to CDE, with tons of convert debt.
Of course, I'm a balance sheet freak of sorts, but it does make a difference.
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- @ Haven't heard from him in months. -- BWP, 14:59:52 11/06/09 Fri
... yeah, it's true ... hope he's OK ... if ya see him, slap his face ... just foolin' ... he's my pal ...
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- Can't afford it? -- Hambone, 14:58:35 11/06/09 Fri
Who said that? We have state of the art printing presses.
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- None of the Silvers look good -- APOLLO, 14:58:33 11/06/09 Fri
except HL - but that's now a value play with a lot of forgiveness - its going a lot higher.
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- ... apologies all 'round ....... -- BWP, 14:57:40 11/06/09 Fri
"John Reed Says `I'm Sorry' for Glass-Steagall Repeal, Building Citigroup"
... yeah, say three hail-mary's and go forth, my son ...
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- About half an hour before the close - -- Hambone, 14:57:34 11/06/09 Fri
we'll see what effect the COTs have.
Thing is, I don't know whether going short more or covering will be bullish.
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- @ we can't afford it -- RIP, 14:57:17 11/06/09 Fri
How can you afford trillions for war?
What does Beck have to say about that?
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- Enlighten us what victory means to you. -- JoeB, 14:57:03 11/06/09 Fri
Linear thinking at its finest. Don't tell me you aren't a linear thinker, for every comment you make, revels the constrained template from which you operate.
I never said I was for the invasion or approved the invasion or wanted the invasion or I think the invasion has been a good thing or will be.
I am referring to the people who planned it and how THEY defined victory.
And if you're going to state that my approval is implied, then let us once again step into the wayback machine:
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/28609695/m/8190961335?r=1590961335#1590961335
Now, why do I think the Bush admin invaded Iraq?
Joe's axiom: No one thing, is caused by one thing, thought there will be a dominate factor.
1) To set an example of what happens when you mess with Texas, errr, I mean the US.
2) To maintain Israeli hegemony in the region.
3) To stop and/or delay the Arab bomb.
4) To continue to exert control over oil markets.
As I said, geopolitics, not principled, moral or ethical politics (as if that's ever existed for any length of time).
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- RIP - best day in sports -- WileE, 14:56:24 11/06/09 Fri
Breeders cup. I'd go to Santa Anita but I have schedule problems. If, I'm lucky I'll at least get to go to closer simulcast facility and make some investments. I've had some luck in the past with 4 digit tri payouts on this day. Huge fields always some surprises--spread liberally.
free abbreviated past performances here:
http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=43051
a better investment that short-term gold trading, imho. And more entertaining to boot.
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- Sherlock -- WALIAC, 14:56:16 11/06/09 Fri
Ron Paul has survived with that line.
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- BWP -- Hambone, 14:55:38 11/06/09 Fri
Remember yellowcab touting it at 15/20?
Haven't heard from him in months.
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- morbius -- RIP, 14:55:19 11/06/09 Fri
5) Make sure that they could blame Israel if anything went wrong.
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Huh?
A little defensive....aren't we?
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- Apollo / " We simply can't afford it" ? -- Sherlock, 14:54:06 11/06/09 Fri
You'd make a piss-poor politician. And you would never get re-elected.
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- a friend of a friend of a friend of another -- 2bro2b, 14:53:14 11/06/09 Fri
http://seekingalpha.com/article/171741-gold-transforming-into-a-completely-demonetized-wealth-asset
FOFOFOA-- F*-off cubed.
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- @ If that pup ever goes anywhere, the PM bull market is over. -- BWP, 14:52:23 11/06/09 Fri
... I'm leanin' towards agreein' wif ya but I gotta stay true ta Caledonia even if it means my demise ... I'm married ta the bitch ...
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- RIP - I'll answer that. -- morbius, 14:51:23 11/06/09 Fri
1) To demonstrate that the ME Oil producers WILL take USD and ONLY USD.
2) Revenge on ragheads, ANY ragheads.
3) Reinflate the GDP with military spending ('khaki shoots') after the dot.com debacle.
4) Remove hundreds of thousands from the unemployment line.
5) Make sure that they could blame Israel if anything went wrong.
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- Sherlock -- Hambone, 14:51:12 11/06/09 Fri
Not really. Day traded it for a loss a couple of days ago, but that was it.
I think silver has to move before it does much. And silver is just laying there.
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- @ You have a baby? -- BWP, 14:50:14 11/06/09 Fri
... yeah, why not? ... everybody got a baby, no? .... CALVF is my current babydoll ... I wanna see it grow up ta be a real tall bitch ... smother me in munny, honeychile ...
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- Mikikis - if that's a pump for Obamacare -- APOLLO, 14:49:38 11/06/09 Fri
remember this - the road to financial hell is paved with good intentions. Its got nothing to do with anyone's particular situation - we simply can't afford it.
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- Hambone/ tawdry -- Sherlock (), 14:48:46 11/06/09 Fri
How could you forget UXG ? Sorry, you're trying to forget UXG.
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- RIP -- WALIAC, 14:48:37 11/06/09 Fri
A sinkhole for fiat.
And they still have a way to go.
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- BWP -- Hambone, 14:48:14 11/06/09 Fri
If that pup ever goes anywhere, the PM bull market is over. Er, and its friend SLGLF.
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- BWP -- WALIAC, 14:46:54 11/06/09 Fri
You have a baby?
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- Two tawdry PMs here. -- Hambone, 14:45:37 11/06/09 Fri
KGC, CDE
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- Hambone - History has shown that they PREFER to manipulate -- morbius, 14:45:29 11/06/09 Fri
to persuade people that their slip of paper is as good as gold. When manipulation and persuasion fail, they steal - 1933, 1971.
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- JoeB -- RIP, 14:45:11 11/06/09 Fri
How about telling us what the objective for invading Iraq was.
WMDs?
Not.
Saddam?
dead.
Enlighten us what victory means to you.
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- @ Calvf +16.67% -- BWP, 14:45:05 11/06/09 Fri
... GO, BABY! .... wanna buy mine? ....
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- WALIAC -- Hambone, 14:44:10 11/06/09 Fri
"Don't have the gnads" assumes political pressure from above.
IOW, I agree.
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- Calvf +16.67% -- Romanov -- Kitcotodd, 14:42:32 11/06/09 Fri
Yes. but 134000 shares at 6 cents. What's that 8K?
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- ... people here talkin' like gold shot up inna straight line ... -- BWP, 14:42:31 11/06/09 Fri
... the ten year move from $250 ta $1100 can be plotted by only a handfull of major milestones/events .... so, for most of these years and between these events, gold was dumped, sold, given away or papered-off in an attempt cap/slow/restrict any uncontrolled upward movement ... the price action tells ya all this ... call it want ya want ... me, I call it manipulation ... anybody who don't is suspect ...
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- @ manipulation junk -- RIP, 14:42:28 11/06/09 Fri
That's what it is.....junk.
Equals cannot manipulate.
Creating unequals makes it happen.
Thanks....goo.
I suggest there is more manipulation, post bailout, than there was before.
Even if that means saying POG is being manipulated higher.
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- morbius -- Hambone, 14:42:04 11/06/09 Fri
"I mean, how can you fail to see it, really?"
You can't be serious. Something quadruples in less than 9 years and you claim the price is artificially suppressed?
Oh, I do agree the paper is money game is nothing but a scam, but that's been true ever since the first paper note was printed. That's quite a bit different from what you claim. If the "manipulators" had the power you claim, gold would be 20 bucks an ounce. The fact is that the global economy is so large that no amount of "manipulation" can dictate the true value of true money for more than a very, very short term time - period.
But, believe as you will. I know I won't change your mind, nor you mine.
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- Withdraw from Iraq....and see who won. -- JoeB, 14:40:15 11/06/09 Fri
And when it comes to the geopolitical, it depends on what the objective was from the start, when determining exactly that which defines victory.
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- Calvf +16.67% -- Romanov, 14:39:58 11/06/09 Fri
Earnings out soon.
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- Rip/ Let the markets sort the shit out -- Sherlock (), 14:39:43 11/06/09 Fri
Robbery is illegal, correct ? Some banks, households, individuals are less security conscious than others, correct? Thieves are constantly looking for easy victims, correct? Those that have failed to make the the necessary precautions are more likely to draw the criminals attention, correct ? So that gives them the right to take advantage of them and steal, and we should make it legal for them to do so ? Just think, because it's now legal to steal, most individuals would all of a sudden become less lax, maybe even carry a weapon, invest in alarm systems. So even though it's legal, the criminals lists of victims is quickly reduced to sick little old ladies and children. The law according to Rip... Perfect !
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- Hambone -- WALIAC, 14:39:06 11/06/09 Fri
the SEC doesn't have the gnads to enforce it.
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This is one of them where I can't just dismiss it as an "Aw, shucks, they just don't have the gnads."
They have the power and the authority, but just blow it off? This is exactly where manipulation rears its ugly head. Someone, like maybe the insiders' bosses, are telling them to back off. That's the rock we need to turn over, but never will as long as people so easily dismiss the failure to enforce.
It seems that people always overlook the second edge of the government sword: Along with the power to tax comes the power to not tax. Both cut.
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- JoeB -- Hambone -- JoeB, 14:38:06 11/06/09 Fri
IMO, all markets are managed. After all, isn't that the ruling economic paradigm of the political elite? If you don't think so, then I suggest you (like Patton did with Rommel) "read their book." So the real question becomes, at what point does management become manipulation? I'd submit, that both actions are so intertwined that its hard to differentiate between the two. So then what's a fellow to do? Presume manipulation, until shown differently. Especially given the pervasive state of corruption and compromise that exist in the current system.
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- Notes left behind -- Mikikis, 14:36:06 11/06/09 Fri
If this doesn't move you....you are probably dead.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225419/Notes-left-Six-year-old-cancer-victim-Elena-Desserichs-heartbreaking-messages-love-family.html
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- The movers today - -- Hambone, 14:35:20 11/06/09 Fri
seem to be the producers. The explorers are pretty much sitting.
If we go higher, one swallows the other.
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- Hambone - What I believe the POG should be -- morbius, 14:33:50 11/06/09 Fri
and the fact of manipulation (I mean, how can you fail to see it, really?) are two completely unrelated things. Their scheme was to take REAL money and replace it with unredeemable paper. This didn't happen by accident. It was deliberate and of great benefit to those who conspired to bring it about. The stock and bond markets, the Federal Reserve, the confiscation and then the suppression of gold were/are all part of the plan. I think they have been remarkably successful.
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- JoeB -- RIP, 14:33:08 11/06/09 Fri
Withdraw from Iraq....and see who won.
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- I think we a have a 'rogue' shooter in the gold pits. -- RIP, 14:32:03 11/06/09 Fri
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- Huh?....Joe sez.... -- RIP -- JoeB (), 14:31:56 11/06/09 Fri
So your time frame is infinite? It stretches over the horizon until you're proven correct. Got it.
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- All markets are free -- Smythe, 14:31:10 11/06/09 Fri
even Bugsy Siegel operated a free market.....if your name was Bugsy Siegel.
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- Hambone..all markets correct -- Skinee, 14:30:21 11/06/09 Fri
Dead On
Cept goldbugs call it manipulation
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- SM quiet as a mouse for big news Friday -- APOLLO, 14:29:30 11/06/09 Fri
nothing to trade for today & you know what they say about quiet markets.
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- JoeB -- Hambone, 14:28:00 11/06/09 Fri
Who knows? All I know is I get tired of the manipulation whining when bullion corrects. Hell, all markets correct.
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- Huh?....Joe sez.... -- RIP, 14:26:31 11/06/09 Fri
...Oh and if I recall correctly, many here have commented how you were wrong about the Iraq invasion all those years ago, I've yet to see you admit you were wrong about that. So all in all, you're one to talk about others fessing up to being wrong.
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If Iraq is a glorious victory....why are there still a hundred thousand troops there?
That game is far from over.
And sorry I wounded your sensibilities with my comments about some soldier who freaked.
Get used to it.
Some have a conscience.....even if they play it out in a warped way.
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- Well...... -- Hambone, 14:25:00 11/06/09 Fri
So far, my RBY purchase sucks.
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- Hambone -- morbius -- JoeB, 14:24:59 11/06/09 Fri
Those who believe in direct manipulation going on in the gold market, will only be proved correct if the COMEX fails one day. Or will there be other events which prove manipulation beyond a shadow of the doubt?
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- morbius -- Hambone, 14:23:10 11/06/09 Fri
Amazing.
And why is that amazing to me? Because everyone with that belief can set his own price on what the POG should be and claim "manipulation" if it isn't.
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- WALIAC @ non-insiders -- RIP, 14:21:26 11/06/09 Fri
Who cares.
As I said....the market is not a suitable investment tool for most...and especially retirees.
It's a game.
And we have been misled.
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- WALIAC -- Hambone, 14:21:07 11/06/09 Fri
I agree with you. Insider trading is a crime, and should be.
Trouble is, normally the SEC doesn't have the gnads to enforce it.
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- Wow - POO down $2.70; CRB down 1.50% -- APOLLO, 14:20:42 11/06/09 Fri
makes our modest gains all the more impressive - assuming we can hold.
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- Hambone -- morbius, 14:19:37 11/06/09 Fri
Precisely.
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- I will admit when I am wrong -- RIP -- JoeB, 14:19:36 11/06/09 Fri
Let's look at what has happened to the value of the dollar over the past year. A year ago you were bullish on the dollar and still are. So just how long a time frame are we talking about when determining right and wrong? Obviously your time frame is longer than a year, if not, you've yet to admit you're wrong.
But I'll put up Armstrong's thoughts and analysis against yours any day, and he's in jail.
Oh and if I recall correctly, many here have commented how you were wrong about the Iraq invasion all those years ago, I've yet to see you admit you were wrong about that. So all in all, you're one to talk about others fessing up to being wrong.
Lastly, you flood the board incessantly with your intuition, never back it with facts and dismiss the facts presented by others. Others here can feel free to follow you, but I'd suggest they do at their own peril. NO doubt, like the proverbial broken clock, you'll be right from time to time, but IMO, it has little to nothing to do with you knowing what you're talking about.
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- Huh? -- Hambone, 14:19:03 11/06/09 Fri
A new scrolling ad?
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- Maybe the differnce -- WALIAC, 14:18:35 11/06/09 Fri
Is whether one is investing in real time or taking an academic glance at a later time.
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- Manipulation cannot happen in a free market of equals -- RIP, 14:18:29 11/06/09 Fri
GS has become an 'unequal'.
Are they manipulating gold higher?
The goo, via bailouts, has shot themselves in the foot.
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- RIP - It helps with price discovery. -- WALIAC, 14:16:15 11/06/09 Fri
True enough, but said discovery comes after the non-insiders have lost their ass. Why doesn't that part concern you?
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- morbius -- RIP, 14:11:41 11/06/09 Fri
Do you know why I defend shorts?
Even naked shorts?
I don't even give a rat's ass about insider trading....if it helps with price discovery.
Your company can often be your worst enemy.
Let the market sort the shit out.
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- World’s Central Banks Signal End to Policy ‘Largesse’ -- Sherlock, 14:10:29 11/06/09 Fri
By Brian Swint and Jennifer Ryan
Nov. 6 (Bloomberg) -- The world’s biggest central banks are starting to unwind emergency measures introduced earlier this year to stave off a second Great Depression...http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601083&sid=akFxvYlcBGZg
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- morbius -- Hambone, 14:10:25 11/06/09 Fri
Seriously, let me get this straight.
Are you saying that gold, in going from 250 to 1100 in the last 9 years has been "manipulated" to keep it from going higher than it already is, while the stock market has gone essentially nowhere?
If I've got your position wrong, I apologize. If so, set me straight.
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- RIP :: what will sludge do for us in the future? -- siempre33, 14:10:18 11/06/09 Fri
I'll let the future take care of itself,
since there's nothing I can do about it....
as long as 'they' keep devaluing the dollar...
nature will take its course....
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- Sherlock -- WALIAC, 14:10:10 11/06/09 Fri
Good analogy.
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- Pretty typical day for an UE Report -- APOLLO, 14:08:04 11/06/09 Fri
takes the weekend for these guys to sort it out & respond. We are doing fine - divergence off the SM & the metal.
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- RIp / Manipulation -- Sherlock, 14:07:49 11/06/09 Fri
It's because of past manipulations that gold is trading at $1100 instead of $2200. This resulted in the current bull market starting at a much lower base. I'm sure there's still plenty of hanky-panky, But the old tools are worn out. In the past they quietly used a pair of scissors. Now it's going to take a chain saw to do the same work, But chain saws make too much noise. Somebody might get hurt And as so many more folks become aware of the con game, and the inevitable collapse becomes evermore apparent,that old pair of scissors just isn't cutting it anymore.
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- I will admit when I am wrong -- RIP, 14:07:42 11/06/09 Fri
Will you?
Or will you simply double your canvas time?
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- RIP, Hambome - There's plenty of manipulation going on -- morbius, 14:06:13 11/06/09 Fri
DOW is being held above 10K and POG below $1100.
We all believe as you, Hambone. They can only manipulate for a short time. There is a small disagreement, however, as to what constitutes a 'short time'. I say 10 years ain't that long. At any rate NOONE, but NOONE (k) here thinks they can get away with it FOREVER (except maybe RIP, if the perp's initials happen to be 'G' 'S').
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- Stare at your past performance charts - RIP -- JoeB, 14:03:27 11/06/09 Fri
Keep listening to yourself, I don't think anyone else is.
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- RIP -- Hambone, 13:58:11 11/06/09 Fri
Why?
They only come out on down days. Only down days are manipulated.
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- As if I need another reason to never wear a poppy again -- RIP, 13:57:50 11/06/09 Fri
Legion sues over use of poppy in Highway of Heroes pins
http://beta.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2162137
Over to you....Skinee
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- The commercials don't matter any longer.......... -- Kitcotodd, 13:57:39 11/06/09 Fri
Central banks are buying.
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- Wondering about a couple of things. -- Hambone, 13:52:23 11/06/09 Fri
How many want to go through the weekend short gold?
Have the commercials covered or gone further short?
Kinda the same question, I guess.
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- JoeB -- RIP, 13:52:14 11/06/09 Fri
Stare at your past performance charts, and make an enlightened investment decision.
I'll be doing that tomorrow at the Breeders Cup.
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- Finished reading the latest missive from Armstrong... -- JoeB, 13:50:28 11/06/09 Fri
Two paragraphs, from the many, stand out:
"The FED can print money out of thin air and expand its balance sheet by $2 trillion dollars and this is claimed as dangerous by its critics. The problem is he who guards the FED, Congress, does the same thing by failing to manage its own budget."
"Yet all that said, Goldman is perhaps guilty of attempting to manipulate markets and to prevent investigations of their own operations. But that does not translate into some giant conspiracy to dominate the world and bring down governments. That is just over the top. They are interested in making the big bucks. That's it!"
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- Peter Grandich -- Romanov, 13:48:39 11/06/09 Fri
http://watch.bnn.ca/#clip231575
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- Normally POG would have been pounded down by now -- RIP, 13:48:30 11/06/09 Fri
Think there's someone with very deep pockets behind this move?
It's the funds.....and quite possibly the 'squid'.
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- skys - USS New York -- WALIAC, 13:47:30 11/06/09 Fri
LOL!
Yeah, what a mistake using 7.5 tons of WTC metal to build a warship. That steel doesn't seem to hold up very well under fire.
Somebody will shoot a flare at it and it will sink into the sea.
Cartoon fodder everywhere you look these days...
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- RIP :: silver sucks? -- siempre33 -- JoeB, 13:47:05 11/06/09 Fri
Facts are stubborn things. So is the self-professed oracle who ignores them.
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- The manipulationists are suddenly silent. -- RIP, 13:45:07 11/06/09 Fri
Why?
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- This is a demand for liquidity -- Smythe, 13:42:59 11/06/09 Fri
and a store of value. Nothing is more liquid than gold. The universal token. In a depression your house wont help you secure food or flee with you from violence. Silver requires a dumper truck.
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- Gold Advances to Record in New York, London After Jobs Data -- Sherlock, 13:42:00 11/06/09 Fri
By Nicholas Larkin and Chanyaporn Chanjaroen
Nov. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Gold rose to a record in New York and London trading after a report showed U.S. employers cut more jobs than forecast in October, boosting demand for the metal as store of value.....“We are rather concerned about the crowded nature of the gold market, for everyone, everywhere is long of gold and bearish of the U.S. dollar,” economist Dennis Gartman said in his Suffolk, Virginia-based Gartman Letter....http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aCxnxTfqhvG8
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- @ why they call them cyclicals -- RIP, 13:40:36 11/06/09 Fri
It means every dog has its day.
This is gold's.
Let them laugh and call it a bubble.
They only do that because they are afraid.
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- Pay problem parents not to breed - mayor -- Sherlock, 13:38:38 11/06/09 Fri
"There are too many people who should not have children.".....
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26280864-401,00.html
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- @CBs are not buying oil - Rip -- Smythe, 13:34:44 11/06/09 Fri
nor silver nor bushels of wheat nor sacks of rice, all while they counterfeit paper. Gold is money because nothing else practically fits the bill.
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- siempre -- RIP, 13:34:21 11/06/09 Fri
The question is....what will sludge do for us in the future?
Without inflation....it will underperform gold.
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- NET.V -- siempre33, 13:33:40 11/06/09 Fri
expecting drifting results from Yukon,
followed by acquisition newz re. South America
Network Exploration Ltd. is an aggressive junior mineral exploration company targeting large scale base and precious metal properties in North and South America. Network is publicly traded on the Toronto Venture Exchange under the symbol "NET".
The Company's focus is in Chile and Peru, where the mineral rich Andes Mountains provide an abundance of economically minable copper and gold deposits to several of the world's largest mining corporations. As many of these deposits have yet to be discovered, the welcoming political and economic conditions, solid mining infrastructure, and cost effective operating environment provide an excellent opportunity for successful development and exploration.
Network has interests in two South American properties - Caldera in Northern Chile, and Pistala in Southern Peru.
Network Exploration has recently acquired exploration claims in the Yukon Territory as a response to a recent gold discovery nearby. The Company is currently discussing exploration plans for this project.
OUR GOALS FOR 2009
• Develop Gold Targets at Caldera
• Locate acquisition candidates
- Focus on near-term gold projects in South America
• Expand and Develop strategic partnerships
• Develop an exploration program for the Yukon claims
http://www.networkexploration.com/
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- Performance on share prices stinks -- SilverFox -- RIP, 13:30:58 11/06/09 Fri
This is understandable seeing how POG fundamentals stink.
It is not an inflation caused rally.
PM investors don't get it.....not yet.
Too much Sinclair and others....I would guess.
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- RIP :: silver sucks? -- siempre33, 13:29:41 11/06/09 Fri
a return of nearly 40% per year ain't too bad....
that's what it's done for me....
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- kill cap and trade now!! -- mugwump, 13:27:25 11/06/09 Fri
http://investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mn=235508&pt=msg&mid=8150401
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- another moonshot possibility.... -- siempre33, 13:23:16 11/06/09 Fri
reasons to buy NET.V....
"Just buy it now - we will explain it later"
lotsa chatter....pumpers vs. bashers....
http://www.stockhouse.com/bullboards/SymbolList.aspx?s=NET&t=LIST
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- Performance on share prices stinks -- SilverFox, 13:23:12 11/06/09 Fri
Given the current updays we have had the shares seem to not reflect this fact. On a down day they are taken down hard and over sold. Therefore not sure how to read this. Are we in some sort of distribution or are the naked shorts trying deperately to take down the goldies whenever possible. Don't they deserve to get roasted??
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- Even vampire squid meet their maker -- RIP, 13:22:33 11/06/09 Fri
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/picture-day-even-vampire-squids-meet-their-maker-eventually
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- One thing market action should tell you. -- Hambone, 13:22:32 11/06/09 Fri
Wall Street doesn't give a tinker's damn about Main Street.
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- all global warmings predictions invalidated -- mugwump, 13:19:57 11/06/09 Fri
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/global-warming-predictions-invalidated
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- Anyone up for Knuckle's latest? -- RIP, 13:11:56 11/06/09 Fri
Take a deep gulp before clicking.
http://www.kitco.com/ind/nadler/nov062009.html
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- More shootings -- Sherlock, 13:03:12 11/06/09 Fri
Orlando at 11o'clock multible victims....http://www.wesh.com/video/21541793/index.html
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- Geothermal Drilling Team hits Magma in Boring -- mercury, 13:02:52 11/06/09 Fri
At a depth of 6,900 feet a geologic drilling team exploring geothermal resources in Iceland hit molten rock. Only the third known time this has happened on a geothermal investigation.
The team had hoped to drill down to 11,5000 feet.
(Source: UCDavis Magazine, Fall 2009)
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- Coin Show at the Old San Francisco Mint Today and Tomorrow -- mercury, 13:02:00 11/06/09 Fri
November 6 and 7 (today and tomorrow)
On 5th Street Between Mission and Market Streets
San Francisco, Ca
Includes free tours of the Old mint. Drawings and door prizes.
The Bay Bridge is open with no restrictions.
Look here for more information:
http://www.griffincoin.com/page5.html
See you there.
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- Gold does not need inflationary numbers -- RIP, 12:55:52 11/06/09 Fri
...unlike silver and oil.
CBs don't buy sludge.
And they cannot store enough oil to matter.
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- Kitcotodd -- RIP, 12:50:22 11/06/09 Fri
Yes, ZIRP does not hurt.
But I mentioned that years ago.....and got called Mr. Bond.
Not James....lol
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- RIP -- Kitcotodd (), 12:46:51 11/06/09 Fri
We basically agree that Wall Street is creating a bubble. Zero rates ain't hurting either.
Also there is fundamental demand when countries and producers are your biggest buyers.
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- @ who cares? -- RIP, 12:45:22 11/06/09 Fri
You must be kidding.
Is not POG rising because of Zimbabwan/Weimar inflation?
Or is it the meltdown of the US dollar?
That's what we are told.
Well...actually.....it's neither.
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- ... close ta home ... -- BWP, 12:44:26 11/06/09 Fri
"The greed merchants needed a co-conspirator, Mr. Forstmann argues, and that co-conspirator is and was the United States government. "They're always there waiting to hand out free money," he said. "They just throw money at the problem every time Wall Street gets in trouble. It starts out when they have a cold and it builds until the risk-taking leads to cancer."
... yeah, quite the relationship ... reminds me of my 2nd wife ...
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- RIP -- Kitcotodd, 12:42:24 11/06/09 Fri
Who cares... inflation or deflation? It's about making money.
I believe it's inflation of certain assets stocks/gold/commodities because of zero percent rate competition. I agree that there is deflation spread throughout the economy.
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- ... shine on ... -- BWP, 12:35:43 11/06/09 Fri
"Gold rally to continue. Gold is benefiting from a "flight to quality," said Adam Klopfenstein, senior market strategist at commodities brokerage firm Lind-Waldock. He said investors who were expecting an economic recovery "threw in the towel" after the jobs report. At the same time, investors who think the economy will continue to worsen "want to own something tangible." "It looks like the market is giving gold the green light regardless of what's going on in equities or the currency markets," he said."
... yeah, tell 'em where it's at, Adam ... tell 'em if they don't buy gold, they'll be beaten 'n tasered ... that should get gold over the $1100 hump in a jiffy ...
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- Kitcotodd....OK -- RIP (), 12:35:25 11/06/09 Fri
I'm making a note of 17.40.
BTW....if it was a case of inflation....silver would be zooming.
It's different this time.
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- @ Top Stories Obama: Gov't Working to Ease Pain of Joblessness- AP -- MoreGold, 12:33:05 11/06/09 Fri
YES, The SACKS'ers and the Bluffetts are doing Very Well.
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- RIP - We'll see how your 12:15 looks in a week. -- Kitcotodd, 12:28:30 11/06/09 Fri
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- ... gold's makin' another run at $1100 ... -- BWP, 12:28:01 11/06/09 Fri
... MARFA, GET ME A BEER! .... yeah, ya don't wanna watch this wif a dry throat ...
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- drys and baltic ---50dma and 200dma just about touching -- Jasper, 12:21:17 11/06/09 Fri
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- Flu pandemic is not slowing down -- Skinee, -- Carmack, 12:18:49 11/06/09 Fri
""Normally during seasonal flu we see about 2,500 to 3,000 deaths a year in Australia, so it'll be in that range or more," she said."
This year there have been "186 deaths" from "swine flu" !
"There are around 3000 heart attacks every year in Western Australia. A third of them will be fatal, but experts say the difference between life and death ..."
Perspective, perspective !
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- Has anyone ever mentioned how much silver sucks? -- RIP, 12:15:29 11/06/09 Fri
Just wondering.
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- youngsters will be on food stamps -- Pyrite, 12:05:38 11/06/09 Fri
There is some food value in licking stamps. If you can find the lickin kind. US thinks of everything.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_calories_do_you_get_from_licking_a_stamp
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