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Date Posted: 06:17:07 12/06/04 Mon
Author: Alan Yngve
Subject: Re: LOS/2nd Level
In reply to: Gethyn 's message, "LOS/2nd Level" on 03:25:20 12/06/04 Mon

You have found one of the differences between ASL (which
is the basis of the map LOS functin) and SL. Folks are
working on solving this problem (changing the map LOS to
SL definitions), but that is far from complete, as I
understand it.

Sorry it has to confuse your gaming!

I'll try my hand at an attempt to explain, can't guarantee
that everything will match properly, though.

>Sorry if this gets a little long...
>
>Just when I thought I had the hang of this, I played
>Gamma 0 last night and totally confused myself over
>LOS regarding 2 story buildings and hills etc.
>
>I booted up VASL this morning to try to clear things
>up with the LOS tool but now I've confused myself over
>terminology, too. :)
>
>So.
>
>What is "Level 2" in a building, exactly?
>I thought it just meant 'a building with a second
>floor', but VASL offers Level 1 *and* Level 2 as
>additional elevations. Is that just a redundant
>distinction?

It does mean a building with a second floor, in SL. ASL
adds a concept of a "level one" building that is a floor
between ground floor and level 2, as the europeans "count"
floors.

>LOS from VASL's Level 1 seems to work the way I
>thought 'ground level' should work, and Level 2 works
>the way I thought 'second floor' should work.

ASL's building level one is a half-way definition, it does
not permit folks to see quite as much as if they are on
level 2.

>Add in the fact that SL has the '2nd Level' marker for
>units upstairs and I find the rural terrain LOS
>example a bit confusing/incomplete and I now have no
>confidence about what I should be doing. :)
>
>An example - firing from upstairs (Level 2?) in 3N2,
>what LOS is there along that 3J4 to 3E7 firelane?
>I think it's all visible except for the dead hex in
>3I5 behind the woods, is that right?

Oh good, a question with an example!

Yes, that is correct. Although additional blind hexes
exist in 3D7, 3C8, and 3B8. You _can_ see 3A9.

Lets do another example, from 3M2 towards 3M7:

Upper floor: Can see 3M3, 3M4, 3M5, --, 3M7, and nothing on
board 3 beyond that.

Ground floor: Can see 3M3, 3M4, but everything beyond that
is blocked by the stone wall.

Note that Scenario GAMMA uses the basic multi-story rules
that are used in Sceanrios #1 and #2 ... NOT the more
complex rules added by rule 57.

>I might well be making this more confusing for myself
>than I need to.

Thing to remember here (and it is far from obvious) is
that the LOS function in VASSAL/VSQL is NOT the SL rules
converted for our easy use. Trust the rules first, if
that is at all possible!

-- Alan

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Replies:

Re: LOS/2nd Level -- Gethyn, 08:06:46 12/06/04 Mon
- Re: LOS/2nd Level -- Alan Yngve, 09:25:08 12/06/04 Mon
  - Re: LOS/2nd Level -- Gethyn, 03:03:46 12/07/04 Tue