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Subject: I need someone to listen..... please.......


Author:
Jocelyn (numb, disgusted, dissappointed)
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Date Posted: 11/23/07 10:22pm

I'm 25, separated from my husband. Divorce filed months ago. I have two beautiful daughters and I've recently moved across the country, moving my children with me, away from their father. I met someone in the town I've moved to and am now pregnant. The worst part is, is that I'm not even 100% positive it's his. I told him that I was with another person, but he told me that he is here for me.....

I'm waiting for him to turn around and run....screaming.. He's been helpful with my children, accepting of me. Announced the unexpected news to his family and taken the role of a responsible man. We'll have to see how long this will last.

Today, my soon-to-be-ex-husband, found out that I had conceived another child and he was infuriated. He called me unnecessary names and threatened to take my daughters away from me. Threatening to not pay child support. Telling me that I WILL lose custody of my children because of this "bastard" child that I conceived immorally. Can I lose them? Can he take support away from my children?

I feel like termination is my easy way out. After reading stories on termination and already knowing much about it, I feel as if abortion isn't right for me. I am pro-life, and considering murder. I know this is all wrong, but still desire to "rid" myself of this "burden". Didn't God say that our children are our blessings and not our burdens?

I'm poor. Tonight, my oldest (3 1/2) daughter came to me saying she and her sister (1 1/2) were hungry. All I had to make is a peanut butter sandwich. No jelly, split in half. That's it to fill their little bellies. I feel like a terrible mom. I look at them, and see how my life effects them. Their dark circles under their eyes. But big smiles on their unsuspecting faces. How can I bring another precious child into this world if I'm such a shitty mother now?

How?

NO! I will not give my child up for adoption. YES! I am a selfish rotten being. I am selfish. I am self-centered. I only think of my girls and me. No one else. I don't give a shit about anyone but them and me. NO ONE.

I may lose the children I have now as I bring another worthy life into this world, and I don't know what to do. I feel so trashy that the man that WANTS so DESPERATELY to support me may not even be the father of this baby. I've told him that may be a possibility. But he pushes it aside. Telling me that we will make this work out.

I want to drive off a bridge... then I look at my little blond-headed vixens sleeping so innocently in their beds and think "Jocelyn, you're a rotten woman. They need you. Stop being so selfish.". I look down at my swollen belly and think, "How could I have been so lascivious and disregarded my responsibilities?".

I truly am a jack-ass and need to get over my pity party and do something.

But what?

Help?

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[> Subject: Re: I need someone to listen..... please.......


Author:
Heather
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Date Posted: 11/24/07 10:31am

Hi Jocelyn,

Welcome! I'm very thankful you came across this forum. I think you will find it a very safe place to decompress and think through this event.

Wow, you've had a lot take place in the past few months. Having 3.5 and 1.5 year old children is enough to keep busy to begin with. I have four children myself, now 9,8,7 and 5 but it doesn't seem that long ago that they were in the under 5 category and the crazy world that entailed.

To address some of the practical concerns mentioned in your post, no I don't think it's possible for your child support to be effected in the slightest by your having this child. In order for you to lose custody it has to be demonstrated that you are not providing a safe place for your children and that is not effected by your decision to have a baby.

Being that your pending divorce is still so recent I am able to understand your husband's raw feelings about this baby. Was he not as comfortable with the divorce as you? Is there any chance of reconciliation with him?

Regarding this baby of yours and abortion, I have found it's much wiser to address the issue 'from the top' and work down. If the larger (higher) question around the subject is whether or not you feel right about abortion as a principle, then this should be the deciding factor because it is an objective reality, whereas all the circumstantial things that can make you temporarily feel as though it's not the right time to have a baby are constantly prone to shifting. If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one. If you think it is taking the life of another 'worthy' human being, you are not going to not think that afterward.

Conversely, if you decide to honor this little one's life because of your response to the higher questions about abortion, you have available to you a host of help and financial support that can make the road a little easier. That's not to say it will be easy, but it can help greatly.
It would be a myth to think that an abortion would be easy, either. The temporary pain of the procedure itself would be the least of the trouble. It's the scars, both shallow and deep that it leaves on a woman to have taken the life of one of her offspring, regardless of the complexity of motive, that are the greatest pain.

Adjusting to an unplanned pregnancy is difficult initially and it's completely normal and healthy to have feelings of misgiving and fear, worry about the future. But you know, you can talk to just about any woman who went through with an unplanned pregnancy and in hindsight they are almost never sorry for how things turned out. It was different from what they'd envisioned for their life plan, to be sure, but the deep fears in the pregnancy turn out to be unfounded and things have a way of working themselves out. At any rate, the new human life brought into the world is never wished to have been terminated.

Because I hear so much focus and wisdom in your post both about the externals and internals about your situation, I have to take you seriously when you say you don't want an abortion. I would encourage you to begin exploring plan b and seeking out as much support for yourself and your little ones as possible for you to welcome this new life. Truly the biggest hurdle is faced when you're undecided about whether or not to seek an abortion.

Regardless of what state you are currently in, there are resources that can be extremely helpful. A one stop shop to locate all of these available to you is your local Pregnancy Resource Center. You can look these up online and locate the one in your city, or if you feel comfortable stating your city and state we can find the best one closest to you.

Please feel free to post here often as you work through the next few months. There is hope! No season lasts forever. Take good care of yourself, take a deep breath and work on the bigger questions - the littler and often louder/chaotic ones will fall in line.

Oh, and CONGRATULATIONS on your baby. A new life is always a blessing and cause to celebrate, even when our circumstances don't always do what we want them to.

With Kindness,

Heather
[> Subject: Re: I need someone to listen..... please.......


Author:
Pat
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Date Posted: 11/24/07 1:13pm

Jocelyn,

I am SO glad you came!

Here is a link to lists of crisis pregnancy agencies: www.pregnancycenters.org

Here are some of the things they can do for you. They can help you find help obtaining food for your family. (Your local homeless shelter and the local food bank might also help.) They can get you started on WIC. They can provide you with access to legal help on your divorce questions. They can help you think things through and find better answers that will save you money, and so forth.

Abortion could kill you or disable you so you cannot take care of your daughters. They NEED you. Abortion is NOT safe. Don't take a chance! Like Heather said, if you don't want an abortion, don't have one! The fact you feel as you do would seriously undermine you spiritually and emotionally and make it much more difficult for you to be a good mother to your daughters. Even if you didn't feel that way, it still could. Abortion is a DEEP invasion of a woman's body, and no woman should ever have to resort to abortion. And your daughters will sense that something is wrong, and it will also upset them emotionally. If they ever find out about it, it could cause them to worry about what you will do to them, or cause them to have survival guilt. It WOULD affect how you interact with them, and it would not be healthy.

There are a couple of things to keep in mind regarding the custody of your children. I don't know the circumstances of your falling out with your husband. So I can't say much about that. But the fact that you live in another state complicates things from HIS standpoint. He is going to have to show that you are an unfit mother even to have a court consider intervening, especially since it sounds like most of the issues in the divorce have been settled. You probably have documents showing what you two decided or what the court has ruled. Getting pregnant doesn't make you an unfit mother. Sure, you violated your own standards, and you are kicking yourself, and from the sound of things, you have kicked yourself enough. It's time to move on and figure out how to make things work. Sure, you are going to keep feeling those emotions. Emotions are fickle things. I'm praying that they will stop hounding you. It doesn't help that there is a huge temptation before you that would make things a lot worse. Abortion does carry a stigma. Suppose that the issue of your having an abortion becomes known to the court. How is that going to help your case? Your husband COULD use that as evidence you are an unfit mother! Your baby is depending on you for your protection. Think how it will sound if your husband says, you harmed THIS baby, so maybe you will harm your daughters? Given the way he is acting, I wouldn't put it past him! But even though there are long arm statutes, courts are more reluctant to invoke them. A court in another state can't automatically use them. because it requires the cooperation of a court in your state as well, if I remember correctly. If you have copies of papers showing what you both agreed to at this point, I would think that will be good evidence this is nothing but pure spite on his part (and he's trying to intimidate you; don't let him get away with it). That's why you need to talk to a lawyer (if you have one for the divorce, talk to him or her). The point is, the burden of proof is on him to prove you are unfit, and that's not necessarily easy, especially since what you did isn't that uncommon these days. Even getting a "second opinion" from someone who knows the laws in your state can help. Your soon-to-be-ex owes you child support even IF you did something he can call "immoral". That doesn't change his obligation. I don't know all the ramifications of this situation, but it doesn't sound to me like your pregnancy would be a huge factor in what happens, in spite of your concerns. But talk to the people at the crisis pregnancy agency. They will help you with the legal issues.

You are so lucky to have a boyfriend who is so supportive. THAT is rare. Ask him if he can help you with food for your children. You also need to eat, for the sake of your third child. If nothing else, let him know about the peanut butter sandwich! Just tell him matter of factly about it. Sometimes a man will adopt a child who isn't his. And you already have two other children he apparently adores, and is willing to support emotionally. It is critical to make sure your soon-to-be-ex doesn't interfere in your relationship, so if he starts to hound you, let the court know about it (let the court know about the emotional abusiveness he's already committing), and if necessary, get a protective order. DON'T let him interfere with this new relationship.

Get in touch with your local crisis pregnancy agency, and let us know what happens. Please keep in touch! Please feel free to come her and vent any time, or ask for advice. We'll be here for you! If you can, try to pray. We'll be praying for you.

Hugs,
Pat



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