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Subject: "Let your "mess" be your "Message" -a response


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WORD OF GOD
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Date Posted: 20:09:39 05/07/02 Tue

**REMEMBER THE VERY SAME MAN THAT, BECAUSE OF HIS OWN TRADITIONS AND WORLDY DOCTRINES, PERSECUTED CHRIST AND HIS FOLLOWERS (AND KILLED MANY CHRISTIANS)? THAT MAN ON THE WAY TO DEMASCUS WAS MET BY CHRIST HIMSELF, SAVED (ACCEPTED CHRIST), FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD, AND IN TURN, BEGAN PREACHING AND EVANGELIZING TO THE WORLD ABOUT THE VERY SAME CHRIST THAT HE USED TO PERSECUTE AND CRITICIZE...REMEMBER THAT WAS PAUL...YES HIM, ONE OF THE BIBLE'S GREATEST APOSTLES WHO PREACHED ABOUT THE LOVE AND GOODNESS OF CHRIST, USED TO, IN HIS PAST, HATE CHRIST!...SO GOD CAN USE THOSE VERY SAME PEOPLE THAT USED TO ARROGANTLY REJECT, CRITICIZE, AND DISOBEY HIM TO BRING FORTH HIS WORD AND BE POWERFUL, INFLUENTIAL, & "RADICAL" MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD. REMEMBER, LET YOUR "MESS" BE YOUR "MESSAGE"....IN OTHER WORDS, LET THE THINGS YOU USED TO DO, (SINS="MESS") BE YOUR TESTIMONY OR "MESSAGE" THAT WILL EVENTUALLY SAVE AND DELIVER OTHERS OUT OF THEIR STATE (MESS)AND DRAW THEM TO CLOSER TO CHRIST.....BE ENCOURAGED!

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[> Subject: what about Paul???


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Psychology
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Date Posted: 21:12:12 05/07/02 Tue

I would like to pose a rather simple question concerning the apostle Paul. You just mentioned that Paul went from a "hater" of Christ and Christians, to an influential proponent of the religion. In fact, it is a historical fact the the number one biggest influence on Christianity was Paul. For it was he who spread the formally small religion that Jesus preached to the Roman Empire...which gave it to Europe...which gave it to the World. I have always wondered this, and maybe you, or anyone else, can help me out. Now, there are obviously two different covenants in the Bible. We all accept this. In a sense, these two covenants are like two totally different religions. If I were to ask a Christian today why they do not follow certain Old Testament laws for instance, they might tell me that it is because that those laws were intended for those living under the "Old Covenant". Now, in reading the Bible, I realized that it was Paul who introduced the whole concept of being under a "New Covenant". Am I wrong? If not, it, therefore, was Paul who was the first person to say to us "we no longer must follow the old religious code of the Jews, for we now live under the new covenant or a new code or, in essence, a new religion". Now, if this is so. Why would we trust a known "hater" and persecuter of Christians to suddenly introduce a TOTALLY new set of instructions on how to know GOD? Why do we trust Paul? He supposedly saw Jesus in a vision? But, the Bible even says that it was only he who saw Jesus and not even those around him at the time (even though it might not make sense to trust the word of his fellow persecuters either). So all of a sudden, here comes Paul, the number one persecutor of those who followed Christ, to completely change the very religion Jesus taught and practiced! We are so quick to glorify this man Paul, but what if he were actually the biggest corruptor in the history of Christ's true message. What if Paul, deceived the world by making the false claim to have been converted and given a new message in order to gain more power and influence in the Roman world? He was responsible for converting large Hellenistic societies to this "new covenant", and influenced the writing of the remainder of the new testament books (which were written after his letters, despite the order that the books appear in the bible). Maybe, there are things that I do not know or understand. Do, please, respond to my query.

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[> Subject: Re: "Let your "mess" be your "Message" -a response


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Afrikan Lion
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Date Posted: 10:40:43 05/08/02 Wed

Greetings in the name of His Imperial Majesty, Haile Selassie the First....Rastafari!!! Psychology....give thanks for the science. That is correct...and a very valid point. We should be wary of the western Christian shitstem and everything that came out of Paul, for he must be a corrupter. Knowing history of the Catholic faith and it's founding shows its pagan ways. First, the city of the Vatican, in which the Pope is the only remaining absolute monarch, was built over the grave site of this "apostle" Paul. The position of the sanctuary in their cathedral is directly over the burial place of Paul, and in fact, when clergy is concecrated and ordained they lay prostrate over what is supposedly the exact spot of Paul's bones, claiming to draw power from Paul. Most of their religious holidays are pagan holidays. Emanuel (Jesus) was born in a warm summer month, yet Christians celebrate his birth on the pagan's "winter solstice." As a matter of fact, Jesus - the Greko-Roman name for Jashua/Emanuel is a pagan name, combining the greko-roman gods Jupiter and Zeus. Easter, was named for Ester, the mother of wholatry (sp?) - prostitution. The two symbols of easter prove this, the rabbit and the egg. Rabbits reproduce at a rapid rate and the egg of course breeds life. Both represent fertility, or Spring Fever (where Christians - pagans go wild having rampant sexual intercourse with whoever, and whatever they feel. Now , to feel the first post, I say yes, the mess should be the message, and that's proved to work....look at Malcolm for startes, his mess was the message. And, his message was upful. Yet, I an I must be wary when accepting what's happened waaaay past, in His Story. That's why events repeat themselves...so that we can see the message first hand, or at least so near in the past that it's not too distorted. Yet, we see how the beast distorts even that....look at what they did to our messengers, Marcus, Malcolm, Martin, Muhammad Ali, etc, etc, etc...they destroy them....then exalt them they way they wanna have them remembered. Like fools we accept their acknowledgement as some kind of warm gesture that..."look, we have made progress." then people get complacent...thus killing the message that the mess of the persons life was caused to deliver. By acknowledging their holiday's in "honor" of the fallen soldiers of OUR army, we kill the movement. We kill their message, and we dishonor their lives. We must overstand the western Christian dynamic....to overstand it fully, we must acknowledge that there are two different religions called Christianity....one that originated in Afrika, Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity...which sprung from the true Zion, and birthplace of Emanuel. We must overstand that as with civilization and religion was stolen from Egypt, and tweeked to do more evil, western Christianity was stolen from the Ethiopians and tweeked to do evil and misleed people. We as a people need to learn to seperate eastern and western religions. Even if something becomes our own...out of theirs, it is still stained with thier ideologies, and philosophies. We must begin to look completely to self, to find truth. Guidance and protection in life...which is the struggle. Jah love....

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[> [> Subject: Re: "Let your "mess" be your "Message" -a response


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Jacob
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Date Posted: 13:10:01 05/08/02 Wed

Now I dont understand, your an obvious Rastafarian giving a lesson on what the real Christian religion is and where it was from? Also I am perplexed to see how you can give Martin Luther King, who was a Reverend acclaim, yet talk down about the religion which he embraced, Protestant "Western" Christianity. Which is very different from Catholicism. Then you compare him to Marcus Garvey who was the supposed prophet who talked about the coming of Selassie(Don't know the full spelling),and Malcolm X who was a Muslim. 3 completely different religions that all by their religious texts invalidate each other. How can you compare them to make a point? Then how can you obviously condem a race (White) of individuals as being demonic,a whole race who many had nothing to do with anything. I don't see where your coming from

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