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Date Posted: 16:46:49 05/28/02 Tue
Author: Vales Creator
Subject: Inside
In reply to: Vale 's message, "I can assure you, fear has no place in my world. My courage will be unwavering..." on 13:40:12 05/27/02 Mon

Good points all, however I think it is feasible for me to both grab and stab you with my longsword sucessfully killing you. However, I was mistaken when I said you autoed me, and thus I would shame myself if I autoed you, thusly I retract my statement. However most of your nerve-toxin arguments are groundless, if the nerve toxing were to affect me within fractions of seconds than powerfull muscle contractions could very well cause me to crush you even more, however I dont really want to sit here and discuss your deadly shellfish extract, I think that discussion is best done only once a month... Oh, yeah and the "the rules do not bend for the dead and the dying" for the real world this is unfortunately true. However, this is NOT the real world, characters sometimes do acheive the impossible with last feats of strength to vanquish their foes, would you complain if an identical scene was in a Redwall book? And my letting you come near me is not stupidity, but good roleplaying and a dedication to abolish metagame thinking (basicly using only knowledge from the setting, such as "Assassins always use poision" would be relying on stuff youre character might not know while "Assassins from the east I have delt with always use Nightshade extract as a poision" would not be based upon your OOC expirence, but your characters. It is a finde line we RP'ers walk, and it is all too common that we abandon all semblence of wisdom and decency.

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[> [> Inside -- Cowpoke, 16:14:52 05/29/02 Wed

I agree with most of your statements, with a few exceptions that I won't go into in depth right now.

About that last feat of strength thing... I couldn't disagree with you more. Like the majority of true-blooded vermin fans, I would be pissed of BJ gave his characters some kind of dying strength. First off, it would inevitably be the goodbeasts who got such Herculean strength in their time of need, and second, I hate when people over-romantisize things. I believe that, in order to keep RP fair and unbiased towards any group (whether it be goodbeasts or near-death beasts), so the laws of physics as we know them in our world must apply to this world, otherwise, where do we draw the lines?

What becomes the difference between a heroic feat of ungodly strength and creating a totally invincible killing maniac? The difference between romanticizing something for the sake of heroics and manipulating the rules to give yourself unfair advantages is nonexistent to some.

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[> [> [> Inside -- Vales Creator, 17:54:37 05/30/02 Thu

Ok, lemme rephrase this, an example from a book perhaps? In Mossflower, during the fight with the sea-rats Boar the Fighter (im not sure if it was him, well lets just say the reining badger lord) took countless hits from enemies but his drive to slay Ripfang sorta kept him going untill his task was completed. However, this kinda situation would only work if I had been rp'ing against you for ages, making you sorta my "major foe", if that was the case then this "romanticizing" would make sense (I think so anyways), a non-redwall example would be the ill-fated Boromir from Lord of the Rings, his desire to protect Frodo kept him up and fighting even with a quiver of arrows in his chest. Heroic? Most definately. Realistic. Not likely. So thats my opinion... (BTW: Youre "Invincible Killing machine" sounds very much like a Badger Lord in full bloodwrath, a very common sight in Redwall stories. And in some cases, not this one, fantasy settings are specificly created to shatter the norm, defy rational physics, and make a whole chaotic mess outa this stuff...)

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[> [> [> [> Inside -- Cowpoke OOC, 07:10:12 05/31/02 Fri

I understand perfectly well that fantasy books aren't supposed to be "normal", but when you get right down to it, Redwall isn't exactly fantasy...

Now, before you start thinking I'm some kind of strange sicko who doesn't understand that animals can't walk and talk, let me explain.

Redwall is definitely fantasy in the sense that little mice and squirrels don't run around with swords in real life. But fantasy books are usually defined as having magic and sorcery as well, and with the possible exception of Martin appearing in the occasional dream, there is no definable magic in Redwall. So, yes, Redwall is fantasy, but the boundaries of the real world still apply, because it is basically just the human Dark Ages with an animal twist.

And, of course, for the sake of good story-telling, BJ has to make his heroes inevitably succeed over the villains.

But RP is not story-telling. RP is ppl interecting with each other through the use of characters. As far as simple RP is concerned, there is no fate or saving grace or last strength a character can have.

After all, if we'd stuck that closely to the books, no one would want to be vermin because the vermin would inevitably lose and no one would want to be a goodbeast because hey, what fun is being unstoppable?

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[> [> [> [> [> Tyrants have to conquer someone before they can rule supreme, cant they? The highlight of a warlords life, is his death. Probbably left heaps of would-be warriors in a bloody pile, unfortunately noone writes about how they defeated empires, just how theirs was defeated. And if you notice, I never said Redwall was full blown, spell flinging, dragon spawning, fire breathing fantasy. I said "In some cases, not this one, fantasy... yada yada yada" just thougt Id clear that up... -- Vales Creator, 12:41:39 05/31/02 Fri

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