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Date Posted: 00:56:58 11/23/02 Sat
Author: all
Subject: Responses:
In reply to: Lee 's message, "Offensive Action" on 00:54:36 11/23/02 Sat

Thanks to your cousin. He nailed in vivid detail just what I found wrong with Mac's attitude in that scene (of course, you already know I'm not one to blame Harm for everything). She really did need to be knocked off that soapbox before she fell off and landed hard. Mac had NO business shooting her mouth off about Commander O'Neil (oh, and the episode where Harm made that comment about holding female defendants to a higher standard was 'Head To Toe') (NT) -- Tracy, 10:10:44 11/03/02 Sun

Very insightful observations! I suspect this is closest to what the writer(s) intended in that scene -more so than anything else I've seen posted here and on other boards. Well done! (NT) -- sunny , who now returns to lurking....., 13:48:32 11/03/02 Sun

LU!!!!!! Another 'lurker' who came out. Sunny, you KNOW that once unlurked, always unlurked, right?! Cause that is exactly what will happen! You get out of lurkdom and you never can you back again. This board has a rule about it. LOL (NT) -- CB welcoming Sunny and hoping she stays aswell!, 14:02:47 11/03/02 Sun

Lee, you and your cousin are right on the mark. Mac has done this before when an officer had an affair with a junior officer in season 2. She said that she gave women in the military a bad name and makes it tough for the rest of them. Mac appears to live by a double standard for women and it is not one of her most becoming traits. How can she judge others when she did it too. She admitted it was a mistake. Well, others make mistakes as well. Then the Harm-haters bring up his affair with Kate which would be relevent if he were the one judging - but he wasn't. (NT) -- judi without enough caffiene and trying not to watch an awful football game between the Cowboys and the Lions, 14:15:04 11/03/02 Sun

ITA with you Judi! I think it would be uncalled for to bring up his affair with Kate because the only wrong doing in that was that Kate was in fact a Junior Officer,but SHE was the one who pulled the plug on the affair and she didn't benefit from it. And while some will argue Mac didn't either, the time frame on the affair/evals was TOO close to be totally unbiased! (NT) -- Lucia...there's a big difference between how we would like to be and how we really are., 15:49:14 11/03/02 Sun

Kate didn't pull the plug on her affair with Harm, Harm did. Remember, she told Mac he couldn't handle his partner knowing the color of his underwear. LOL (NT) -- judi, 18:34:12 11/03/02 Sun

As I remember, she decided he couldn't handle a partner who knew the color of his underwear! LOLOLOLOLOLOL (NT) -- Lucia...Of course, I'd much rather see him WITHOUT any underwear! LOLOLOLOLOL, 20:33:59 11/03/02 Sun

Haven't seen the ep, so I may be taking things out of context here. INSIDE -- CM>^.,.^<, 14:21:50 11/03/02 Sun
CatMom, I still argue that when Harm and Kate had their 'weekend' he was not her superior. By that time they were not even partners any more and were in completely different chains of command. He was a higher ranking officer than Kate but he was *NOT* her superior. We are speculating this weekend occurred after "Ares" as the remarks made in that episode made it clear that they had not slept together yet AND she was busy fending off the senior officer in her chain of command that she had just broke up with. I still say that a lot of people have it wrong when they say Harm was her superior. (NT) -- Sandra, 15:24:58 11/03/02 Sun

But Harm wasn't the one being judgemental here. If he had, his fling with Kate would have been relevent. Mac stood on her high horse and judged the client when she had her own skeleton. Sorry, but she lives by her own double standard. (NT) -- judi, 15:26:55 11/03/02 Sun

CM, beg t o differ. H & K had a fling while a lt and Lt jr gr. Neither reported to the other; yes, he was sr ofc but not enough for a serious difference in rank neither did either of them get any career altering benefit out of it. Mac, a LT at best had a fling with Farrow while he was a least a major and she got a law school rep out of it, whether she reported to him at that time or not.. HUGE difference. (NT) -- Techie51, 16:12:58 11/03/02 Sun

Thanks Lee and CM. While I love Harm and Mac too - I have to say while Harm took some pounding from TPTB- about 60 % - Mac took more of the heavy hits about 80% overall- in a way I feel sorry for her.The men and women in my family see it that way too.I love more of the versions of Harm and of Mac in fanfics(you know who you are authors) people that dont write Jag for a living.LOL- Oh well its out of our hands.LOL- (NT) -- Gretchen -who really thinks TPTB are so clueless about women but Im hoping for a miracle., 14:27:44 11/03/02 Sun

ITA about the writers. Dana Coen seems to be the only one who has even a vague clue how to write a strong female character, and he still misses more than he hits. They really, really need a woman writer who might have some clout. I think DPB is a product of his generation--he's 65+--and really does not know how to handle a woman being strong without either being a b*tch on wheels (Krenick) or somehow fatally flawed (Mac). JMHO. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^<, 14:35:58 11/03/02 Sun

Why does it have to be Harm vs. Mac? Mac was doing her job as prosecutor and based on the evidence she had every right to believe that the Commander was guilty of sexual harassment. (Inside) -- manette, 15:51:10 11/03/02 Sun
Okay, the Quack will reserve futher judgement until she actually sees this ep. However, the Mac/Farrow thing--I am not infantalizing her, mearly stating fact--in the military, the SENIOR officer is ALWAYS the one who is assumed to have used the poorer judgement in these cases. A Lt. could have gotten away with it, Farrow would have been hung out to dry. That's just how it is--as you have more responsiblity, you are the one who is supposed to exercise better judgement. I still love Harmkins, but I still think he can be a prig sometimes. LOL! (NT) -- CM>^.,.^<, 16:27:20 11/03/02 Sun

Hi Lee. I was going to do a similar thread but yours is better as you give a guy's p.o.v. as well. I never thought Harm was being nasty to Mac. When you have had a close friendship..or any close familial relationship for so many years, you can...and you SHOULD let someone know when they are being unfair, unkind, or unreasonable, particularly when it affects the lives of others (in this case an innocent woman officer.) INSIDE -- Cece., 15:55:24 11/03/02 Sun

Kip did say that moment between H&M was not meant to offend the Jag viewers nor hurt Mac nor keep them apart but sadly many didnt see it that way so to me the intent of the writers were not mission accomplished if only a few got the pointers.I know they got a female writer in Jag but I dont see her being utilized and while they claim TPTB is not trashing Mac, my friends and beg to differ because they dont know how to write her.I like seeing the flaws of Harm and of Mac too but hopefully not to the extremes. (NT) -- Gretchen (like the points of Manette too), 16:21:01 11/03/02 Sun

I don't believe TPTB trash Mac at all. The only ones trashing Mac are the ones who purport to admire her. Mac is stubborn and weak at times. But so what? Her good characteristics far outweigh her weak ones. She is kind, loyal, dutiful, smart, courageous, quick thinking, capable, strong, warm, and tender. The Mac trashers say they like her..but I don't understand how they can when all they dwell on are the negatives. And of course, the Mac trashers blame Harm for his poor treatment of Mac..instead of seeing the friendship that comes with mutual trust and honesty. (NT) -- Cece.... A Harmaholic in every way and a respecter of Mac., 16:34:51 11/03/02 Sun

Im not really a longtime fan but it seems most of Jagdom believed the trashing of Mac started with People vs.Mac - some of us see it in both - & + but many viewers dont see eye to eye with TPTB. (NT) -- Gretchen, 16:40:36 11/03/02 Sun

Not most of Jagdom Gretchen. Just a couple of the boards who have a bee in their bonnets about "the trashing of Mac." Hang out here. We don't dwell on Mac trashing or Harm bashing. (NT) -- Cece, 16:53:32 11/03/02 Sun
We just dwell on Harm's abs and pecs, and any other part of his body we can see :) (NT) -- Jen, 18:17:28 11/03/02 Sun
IMHO, Harm was trying to tell Mac not to be so "black & white" about the case - the "truth" quote was clearly telling her the truth re this case was convoluted and she should take the hint and think outside the box of the obvious. I don't see it as harsh to Mac; it was a colleague trying to remind another colleague that there's another perspective here and using an incident from Mac's past to illustrate his point and cause her to think. IMHO, it was a good tactic to use with Mac. (NT) -- Techie51, 16:40:20 11/03/02 Sun

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