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Date Posted: 09:13:58 10/13/02 Sun
Author: CMsportsfan
Subject: Superbowls are overrated

Winning a Superbowl does not compare to winning a State Championship. There are 6 Superbowls in CMass/WMass and 12 in EMass. That's 18 "Superbowls" which prove nothing with regard to what teams are the real State Champions. Football is the only sport that does this, I believe. I say forget the Superbowls.....play the season schedule.....use the rating system that was used years ago to determine a State Champion. For example, Marlboro was a Class C team....if it played a Class A team, like a Framingham, it got 10 points. A Class B team was worth 8 points, a Class C team was worth 6 points, and there was a Class D which was worth 4 points. Obviously, the more games that you scheduled with teams from a higher class, a win would get your team more points.
If certain leagues didn't have so many teams in them, such as today's Div III, it would allow teams to schedule games with D2 and D1 opponents. At the end of the season, a rating committee could look over the final point totals, and in the case of ties, the quality of the opposition would be the deciding factor, if head to head was not a factor. It was a better way of determining the "best in the state"....all a Superbowl is is an extra game between two good teams. I'd like to see Clinton play in a five or six team league, and then schedule 6 games with opponents of higher divisions. The only fly in the ointment would be that the Div I teams would not want to schedule games vs. lower Div opponents because wins would not get them the same points as if they won vs. a Div 1 team. But it worked in the past, and it can work again to determine a real State Champ.

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Re: Superbowls are overrated -- billyboy, 13:34:55 10/18/02 Fri

What you're forgetting is that, under the old system, in addition to picking up 10-8-6 pts for beating a D1, D2 or D3 team, when you beat a team you also picked up all of their points that they had accumulated by winning other games on their schedule. That is what gave the larger schools the incentive to schedule the GOOD (i.e. Clinton) smaller schools.

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[> [> Re: Superbowls are overrated -- CMsportsfan, 18:49:37 10/18/02 Fri

Billyboy, I don't recall that as being the case where a winning team would pick all the losing teams points....That's a new one on me......I remember the point system, and I can give you examples of that system with two state championship teams dating back a ways, but I had not heard of a winning team picking up the losing teams accumulated points.

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[> [> [> Re: Superbowls are overrated -- footballguy, 18:24:18 10/23/02 Wed

Billyboy's right on this one. In the old days of three CMass divisions (I played for Northbridge in the 80's and can remember trying to figure what the Super Bowl pairings were going to be), you got 10 points if you beat a team in your division, 12 for one div. higher, 14 for two higher, 8 for one lower, 6 for two lower. In addition, you got 2 points for each of your opponents wins and 1 for each of their ties (I believe that's what it was). So it was worthwhile for Southbridge (which was division II) to play and beat us (Northbridge was Div. III) nearly every year (Except '89! 11-0, baby!! Sorry, had to get that in.) as they would get 8 points for the win plus another 18 if we posted a 9-1 record, for a total of 26 points. It was actually more beneficial for them to play us than a .500 team in their own division, as that win would have netted them only 20 points. Maybe your olden days are older than mine and it was different back then, but either way I do agree, more meaningful championship games would be nice to see.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Superbowls are overrated -- CMSPORTSFAN, 14:33:03 10/24/02 Thu

The rating systems probably have changed many times, and we are left with this Super Bowl "system" that determines nothing except that two good teams play each other in 18 (or more) locations in the state. I don't know why they don't have a playoff system, but I imagine it's because it could drag on for many more games and extend into the winter sports season, but more importantly, it puts the players at further risk of injury, the more games they play. I think that we should get rid of the "A" division teams in Central Mass and have just Divs I, II, III (and maybe a IV for the real small schools like HCHS) which is very reminiscent of the old Class A, B, C, D titles, and do the same for the rest of the state...four divisions....not 12 like they have in Eastern Mass. C'mon....Div 6A??? Have the state broken into four football districts....Wmass, Cmass, NEmass, SEmass, and have a point system determine the best teams in eash of the four divisions. Then the four D1 teams, for example can play a "semi-final" weekend with the the two winners playing for the state championship. That would eliminate a long playoff "season". The most a team would play is two more games after their regular season.

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[> [> Re: Superbowls are overrated -- BB, 09:43:58 11/01/02 Fri

There are only 7 Super Bowls in Eastern Mass, not 12. This went into affect last season (2001). There are 12 semi-final round games played on the Tuesday night after T'Day with the winners squaring off in the Super Bowls Sat-Sun. In Division 7, there is no semi-final round. Just a Final Super Bowl game between the winner of the Mayflower Small and the Boston Small Leagues. Playoffs are the best thing to happen to EMass Football because it allowed the opportunity to reduce the # of champions = 1 champion in each division, as opposed to the old format (1991-2000) which was the 12-13 Super Bowls format you refered to.
It would be great to match the Div 1-6 EMass champions vs the Div 1-3A champions from C/WMass. Unfortunately moving the winter sports back a week is like trying to move the Statue of Liberty. However, such a move could open the door for some great State Championship Football Games. Based on last year's champions you would have matchups like:
Everett vs St Johns(Shrewsbury)
Acton-Boxborough vs Springfield Central
Whitman-Hanson vs Northbridge
Bishop Feehan vs Springfield Commerce
Bellingham vs Clinton
Marian vs Bay Path
What a treat that would be in a perfect world!

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[> [> [> Re: Superbowls are overrated -- cmsportsfan, 14:26:53 11/01/02 Fri

Thanks for that info on the EMass bowl games. That's a decent system in EMass, but it still leaves us with 10 superbowls in the state. I like the playoffs, but too many playoff rounds would cut into winter sports for sure and perhaps jeopardize the chance for injury to the players, i.e., the more games, the more chance for injury, but that's debatable, too.

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[> [> [> [> Re: Superbowls are overrated -- BB, 07:59:50 11/04/02 Mon

Actually, it leaves us with 13 Super Bowls = 7 in EMass + 6 in C/WMass. Better than the days of 19 SB games statewide, which is what it grew to by 2000. Too bad the mentality wasn't like Texas, a state which doesn't mind HS Football Playoffs up until Christmas. That and a domed stadium would be the recipe for Massacusetts. Unfortunately, that seems to be a little farfetched.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Superbowls are overrated -- cmsportsfan, 16:51:06 11/04/02 Mon

Texas doesn't worry much about hockey season....and I'm sure they fit basketball in after all football playoffs are done.

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