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Date Posted: 22:41:07 07/06/02 Sat
Author: TruthNow/Sammukh/James
Subject: Re: The indian deceiver - marketer of himself
In reply to: Rodrigo parapaz 's message, "The indian deceiver - marketer of himself" on 08:35:16 07/06/02 Sat

>I agree with your words, Rodrigo. After being summarily expelled from the Center, after almost 23 years, for telling a disciple friend (turned informant) about the SCC ie. Secret Sex Club, which I found out about from ex-disciple friends, who out of respect had withheld this information for some time--- I also experienced shock, anger, frustration, doubt, confusion etc. How could the man who I trusted with my life, and to whom I'de devoted half my life, be involved in sexual activity, manipulation, harrassment, amongst other unspiritual activities? But then again, as your last year as a disciple was marked with doubts, dissatisfaction, and a sense of stagnation--my last 12 years were also plagued by the same nagging doubts about the fanatical focus on marketing "Sri Chinmoy" to the world, by pestering the media, meeting "bigshots", and what I feel takes the cake--the Nobel Peace Prize campaign, in which he and disciples went to Oslo, Norway, to hold a week long Sri Chinmoy Peace Festival, just outside the Nobel Institute! Not to mention the two Nobel Peace Prize meditations at the tennis court every day for a year, to pray for him to win the Nobel Peace Prize! Sri Chinmoy only wants disciples that will unthinkingly and unquestioningly do his bidding. Once you start to think again for yourself, and question his motives--you are considered "hostile" a catch-all word he uses to garner sympathy from the more loyal, blind beleivers. Then you are effectively elliminated from his organisation, on those grounds. I was given "warnings" twice for asking innocent questions. Eg "why should a God-realised master need his disciples to help him write poetry"? Instead of being given an answer, I was told that if I "critisized Guru again", I would have to leave. So whatever happened to compassion and understanding? That's all well and good if you live your life like a robot, not enquiring, or sensitive, but just there as a automatron to accept orders, a state which is cleverly labelled "surrender". Or even if you are questioning or having problems with yourself, or other disciples, which is tolerated, but God forbid if it's the master you are questioning! How dare you question an "avatar"? Anyway, so if you put the sex allegations in the light of all the other "cracks" you are discovering in the "golden boat", then the whole ugly jigsaw puzzle comes together, and unfortunayely the results ain't very pretty!
- TruthNow
>My name is Rodrigo and I were one of the first
>disciples in Brazil, I was very fond of CKG and stayed
>in the center for 5 1/2 years. I left the group couple
>months ago, as I discovered the yahoo forum that was
>unfortunatelly hacked or shut down.
>
>My last year and a half on the "path" was marked by
>many questioning and doubts, disatisfaction and a
>sence of stagnation. I saw on myself and on other
>disciples, instead of being more open comprehensive
>about the world and humanity, being very judgemental
>and full of preconceived ideas of God and
>spirituality. We were full of: "this is divine - this
>is undivine". We avoided people and social contatc
>outside the center, some of us even left family, job
>and other things.
>
>How foolish we were to think that we were such
>specially chosen instruments of God. That argument
>only makes people think they are well cared for, and
>gives a false perception of security and
>differentiated value to oneself. But who doesn�t like
>to feel special? Let me tell you I felt the burden of
>being just like anybody else, being again an ordinary
>person, so naive that fell on the old cult scam.
>
>Very appealing and also in compliance with the
>strategy of making one feel special, was the
>participation and the feeling of personal effort or
>"sacrifice" as a result of involvement with center
>activities and projects. Oh, indeed the feeling of
>always being challenged with higher goals were a way
>of keeping people�s atentions off other things and a
>way of making people feel inner motivation after
>getting things done. For instance, how much time we
>spent singing loads of songs, and how special we felt
>after singing in front of him, the indian deceiver...
>Or how thrilled we felt after getting work done for
>some project like peace run and blossom.
>
>CKG is smart, and I think his motives are totaly in
>favor of himself only, therefore egotistical and
>erroneous as far as my understanding of spirituality.
>But I cannot deny my ingenuity and my portion of
>responsibility in taking the decisions to do what I
>did. In a way or another it was our choice to believe
>in him, work for and help him sustain the image that
>he creates for himself. He is a marketer of himself
>and we as disciples helped him based on our wrong
>belief that he was in tune with God�s will. I do feel
>foolish.
>
>I am so sorry about the sexual abuse that has happened
>to Ann, Rose and others. I was deeply shocked and
>immediately left the center after I read it on the
>internet. A friend of my told me about the forum but I
>didn�t believe him at first. It took me some days to
>get to read it. It is taking me some more days to get
>used to the idea of being involved and devoted to such
>person for so long.
>
>I am not trying to make a point here, I just wanted to
>talk about it with others that were part of it. I have
>gone through frustration, sadness, depression and even
>some anger. But also this whole thing has a positive
>side: it is making me deeply question myself and it
>has been a great lesson of humility and self
>knowledge. By God�s grace we are out of there (SCC)
>and with a much greater opportunity for growth and
>self realization. Let us have faith in ourselves and
>try to be more careful on surrendering ourselves to
>other�s will. I am reading a book called A Course in
>Miracles and it has been a good thing. It portrais a
>very different perspective on spirituality and if you
>like to read something new but also conected to the
>idea of being one with god you might like it.
>
>Anyway, thanks for the revealing statements on the
>forum and let us keep at it here or somewhere else. It
>is important to have the truth available to others. I
>sure believe that others will face it some time.
>
>Rodrigo.

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