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Subject: Good ol' Maryland Author: Z [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 01:51:22am #1 the results cannot have been read backwards! The card clearly says fourth runner up- (name),third runner up-(name), etc., #2 the commotion backstage was because Susan forgot to call the top 5 to line up center stage before she started calling out their ranking, #3 the surprised act by Sherry deserves an academy award, Unfair as it is, Sherry and the board got the Miss Maryland that was handpicked long before the first night of prelims. Hannah sold Kathleen to the board and will personally prep her for Miss America! It's all very sad and disgusting but in the end they think Kathleen's striking look will get her far in the competition but I'd be surprised if they let that lazy talent act anywhere near the television cameras!! If the board is going to handpick girls despite their qualifications they should have auditions for the job and skip the actual pageant [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Thank you! It was a smart and an honest post! Author: Curious [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 03:49:34am I saw Kathleen's head shots for the pageant - they were great but her pageant pictures where different. I just saw a tall girl with tons of makeup and a very cookie- cutter look. It makes me even more surprised with judges's scores. I see nothing, no a single trait, that makes her superior. Unless height was the factor! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Right, the pageant was RIGGED because YOUR GIRL didn't WIN and HANNAH INFLUENCED THE JUDGES. Go ahead. Contact the national office with this nonsense so they laugh at you people like I am. Author: amazing [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 09:02:21am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Good ol' Maryland Author: Height and Hannah helping her contributed to her win [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 04:22:05am No doubter what the above posters are saying is true. This was all predetermined as it has been in years past in both the Miss and Teen. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Sherry has her hands in it the whole time and doesn't hesitate to let the judges know when they are steering in another direction. Then after the competition she tells the rest of the top five that "something is wrong with the results and she'll check into it." She is just prolonging the agony to young women who are already deeply disappointed. Sherry, find another hobby. Author: Had It [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, July 07, 10:32:41am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Wait, what? Sherry told the top 5 there was something wrong with the results and she'd look into it? Is this real? Author: . [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thursday, July 13, 02:17:21am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Sadly yes. Author: Had it. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, July 22, 03:40:30am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Good ol' Maryland Author: It's who you know, where you live! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 04:47:52am After being Maryland a fan for many years, I'm walking away. It's obviously predetermined, and this years results in both Miss and Teen have left me scratching my head. It's time for change in this system [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Each judge signs a paper stating that if they see any unfair favoritism they are to immediately report to the Miss America office, so all this talk of the "pre determination" is nonsense. Preliminary awards mean nothing. Miss Maryland only needs to be 2nd or 3rd in every category to win. She needs to be consistent. Not to mention the fact that talent, despite being a high percentage of the individuals score, is no longer the most important factor when choosing a titleholder. Author: Insightful [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 05:20:26am Each judge signs a paper stating that if they see any unfair favoritism they are to immediately report to the Miss America office, so all this talk of the "pre determination" is nonsense. Preliminary awards mean nothing. Miss Maryland only needs to be 2nd or 3rd in every category to win. She needs to be consistent. Not to mention the fact that talent, despite being a high percentage of the individuals score, is no longer the most important factor when choosing a titleholder. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: I'm sorry to disagree but sherry most definitely leads the judges towards her choice - There were 4 very consistent beautiful and talented young women in the top 5, each had strong performance in each phase, one of the girls in top 5 was strikingly beautiful with a terrible OSQ and talent... not at all consistant in each category. This happens often in MD... where there is smoke there is fire! Author: ... [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 10:55:34am I'm sorry to disagree but sherry most definitely leads the judges towards her choice - There were 4 very consistent beautiful and talented young women in the top 5, each had strong performance in each phase, one of the girls in top 5 was strikingly beautiful with a terrible OSQ and talent... not at all consistant in each category. This happens often in MD... where there is smoke there is fire! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: But here's the problem with saying talent is not an important factor in determining the winner...it carries the highest percentage of your score and your score is what is supposed to determine the winner, ranking is gone. If the rules were followed and all was fair we would have had a different outcome, this year, and last year, and probably the year before, Period! Author: . [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 02:15:52am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: As a dancer, Masek will most likely never perform her talent again. Same as our Miss America Savvy Shields. Be glad Sullivan didn't win because Miss Sullivan would have been very embarrassed to have her crown taken away for her public display of underage drinking. Author: Cont. Insightful [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 05:21:50am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: As a dancer, Masek will most likely never perform her talent again. Same as our Miss America Savvy Shields. Be glad Sullivan didn't win because Miss Sullivan would have been very embarrassed to have her crown taken away for her public display of underage drinking. Author: none [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 05:34:48am Thank you so much for your perspective. As a former judge, this is very accurate. Both above posts! :) [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: That's great and all but she needs talent to be competitive at Miss America which she will not be. Savvy is a beautiful dancer. That's part of the reason she won... Author: Also a judge. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 06:15:25am I can't speak to Shea. I don't know her. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: As a dancer, Masek will most likely never perform her talent again. Same as our Miss America Savvy Shields. Be glad Sullivan didn't win because Miss Sullivan would have been very embarrassed to have her crown taken away for her public display of underage drinking. Author: Ms. Sullivan drinks with past underage Teen Contestants, too. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, July 07, 12:26:36am This would've been a PR nightmare if she had won. It's sad these girls never learn their lessons about about underage drinking and then post about it on Social Media. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Please click in Author: The verdict is still out. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 05:54:00am It's amazing, Miss America is a scholarship pageant. And based off of the comments on this Board, interview, talent or scholarship meant nothing in this current selection. What happened to the days when a young lady was well versed on current events, and could answer a question coherently. That college/university education wasn't just an acceptance letter, it was a proven academic track record. Agree with the talent comment, most never perform it again. But a few appearances doesn't make a valuable platform, or show true service. In the end, it seems like we would want to send the best representative, not just a beautiful face. The fact that we have placed 3 out of 5 years had nothing to do with who was handpicked. It is hard to argue that at least 4 of them were handpicked. Look at what 2012, 2013, 2014 & 2016 accomplished.Those young ladies made it their mission to be good reps, and it was proven in the awards they achieved outside . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: To your note about academics and scholarship - don't expect to crown anyone intelligent in Maryland until Sherry rescinds her unofficial rule that requires titleholders to leave school for a year (unpaid) and God forbid, they attend school out of state. That's how we lose the smart girls with dreams beyond the pageant stage, and we get girls who are only experienced in pageantry. Author: Newsflash: That's not what Miss America is looking for. Start crowning the smart girls. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 06:15:28am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: I think the trend now is to pick smart and accomplished women. Take a look at Miss USA and miss DC Author: Agreed! [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 08:27:49am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Smart girls see beyond the sham that Sherry puts on - that's how Maryland lost Sam, Stephanie, Kati, Sara and plenty of others. Having a full-time titleholder is admirable, but not when the scholarship money is low, there is no consistent income or other board-secured benefits (apartment, car, etc.), and girls are shamed for pursuing academic opportunities out-of-state. Author: Over it. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 08:44:02am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Are you serious. Hannah is extremely bright. So was Joanna Guy and so was Christina Denny would made the national interview DVD. All three very bright and very beautiful. So your argument about Miss Maryland being only about looks is pretty stupid. If Masek were dumb she would not have even made it to Hagerstown. GET REAL. Author: WRONG [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 08:49:33am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: I completely agree about Joanna - although I do know that the conflicting expectations of the Miss Maryland board made the year difficult on her academically (for an organization that is supposed to be about scholarship). We have had five winners since Joanna, and intelligence or academic drive have not been salient qualities of these recent titleholders. Author: . [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 09:11:30am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Absolutely right! Since Joanna there was no one who was a real role model. Author: Bimbo alert [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 09:37:40am Cristina nailed her interview but other than that....Hannah is smart, if you are a GI, she is right at that level. She definitely appeals to her base. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: *Please* enlist the emotional intelligence needed to edit what you post and show yourself to be a real role model. Each of the formers mentioned, our forevers, have exemplified service and scholarship promoted by the organization and regardless of the results of the national pageant, have continued to develop their education, careers, talents and friendships beyond. Maybe this character is what the judges saw in them. Author: Elle [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 12:47:41pm [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Hannah was a 4.0/Straight A student. Can we say the same about other Miss Marylands? Author: Hmmm [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 11:50:13am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Feel free to come back and defend her grades when she has a bachelor's degree or higher and a legitimate job...like almost all of our forevers have Author: Reach higher [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 01:25:24am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Couldn't have said it better. Sad how this program is going down hill ever year. Author: Smart ones get out now. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 05:50:01am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: She is still a college student. A student that is working towards a degree. Most other formers were older when they won so they would have already graduated. Author: Stop trying to make a point that makes no sense. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, July 08, 04:51:45pm [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: It's a FUCKING BEAUTY pageant for crying out loud! You gotta stop making sad excuses for yourselves and just move on! Obsessing like this is not healthy! Do you have anything better to do with your lives? You do know pagentry is not the only way right? Author: Stop being insecure haters. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 05:38:24am Keep using education to defend your argument or to make you feel better about yourself and your child losing. It's a fucking BEAUTY PAGEANT for crying out loud. Get it through your thick skulls. If you keep competing and haven't placed, move on! Why continue to make excuses for yourself or bring others down? MD has really stepped up their game in the last few years with choosing girls who actually look the part...... and frankly it's about time. Stop lying to yourself by saying beauty doesn't count. I'm sorry you feel shitty because you'll never be as beautiful as Hannah, Destiny, or Kathleen. The other forevers were beautiful too but not in a STRIKING way and that probably pisses you off. I believe they will all get very far in their lives. The ones that don't have their degrees have their own life experiences or personal reasons why they didn't get one. Some simply can't afford one. Who are you to look down on them for not having a degree? That doesn't take anything away from their intelliigence and at least they are not in student loan debt. Some of the most brilliant people in the world don't have their degrees because they caught on that having a degree is not the only way to success. Give me a break with this education nonsense and do something useful with your life, instead of working an average job and living an average life. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: It's a FUCKING BEAUTY pageant for crying out loud! You gotta stop making sad excuses for yourselves and just move on! Obsessing like this is not healthy! Do you have anything better to do with your lives? You do know pagentry is not the only way right? Author: LOL [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 06:51:07am HAHA you are a fool. I like your low-key attack towards the winners before Destiny. You obviously do not know the previous winners. Stop degrading the other forevers. To say the past forevers were not strikingly beautiful is complete bull. I've known all of the former Miss Marylands back to 2010 and they all have been extremely intelligent, sweet, and hard working not to mention among the most beautiful women I've ever met. They all more than deserved their state titles as did the last 3 winners. But to say Hannah or Kathleen or Destiny are any more beautiful that the previous contestants is crap and just plain ignorant. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Agreed! Author: Jane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 07:22:59am Amen to that! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Where are these "grades" from? Author: uh what [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 06:56:13am HAHAHAHA is that a joke? Where did Hannah get these "grades". [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/local/westminster-woman-crowned-miss-maryland/article_41d480aa-5959-11e7-b827-dbdb03f9a530.html Author: At this point all we can do is give her a chance. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 10:37:13am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Hannah wont be remembered the same because of this Author: joe [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 10:48:05am I used to think hannah was nice and sweet until she pulled something like this! I guess thats the whole point of this is to "not act like the real you until your year is up". there is no way that kathleen deserved to win for Maryland! Everything about her (minus her looks) were not fit to be Miss Maryland at all, but other girls fit the bill. It really upsetting for the Miss America system and Hannah's name has gone down hill for that stunt. I expected more out of her than that. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Hannah wont be remembered the same because of this Author: Rek [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 10:51:28am R u saying shea did underage drinking during apperances r on own time there r camera's everywhere. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: #2 They were on the front of the stage already; however the name she call / contest that came up were not the same. Author: Was There [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 11:04:41am [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: For on stage question they were lined up, the commotion was because Emma went in Rachel's place. The girls were not lined up when she started calling out their rankings... innocent mistake Author: Def [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 03:47:43pm For on stage question they were lined up, the commotion was because the girls went out of order. Emma went in Rachel's place. The girls were not lined up when she started calling out their rankings... innocent mistake [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Good ol' Maryland Author: Rek [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 10:59:14pm Kathleen is very pretty without all the 10 pounds of make!up and false eyelashes weird crowning shea called from the risers were rachael and kathleen already in there places hannah's reaction it is ok to b happy for winner but that was ridicilous [ Post a Reply to This Message ]