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Date Posted: 10:41:10 08/25/09 Tue
Author: Paul Davis
Subject: Now I suppose
In reply to: Kelsey 's message, "Some Information On Health Care" on 08:04:01 08/24/09 Mon


That at this point I should go find some sites that love Canadien health care and hate US health care and post their stuff.

Don't worry, I shan't bother. Instead, I'm just going to point out that satisfaction surveys used for comparison of different systems, when the surveyee has not used both systems, aren't worth anything.

The people who have used different health care systems, both government provided and other, clearly vote almost 100% against moving back to the US system. I base that on personal experience with hundreds to thousands of US military personnel and contractors, many of whom have flatly told me they'll never return to the US and live under that bleep bleep mess. I've known two that like the US system better and one of those is covered by Medicare.

That can't be coincidence, I cannot possibly have met only
people with some kind of prejudice against the US. I'm working closely with four contractors right now, of the four, I know one will never go to the states again, another is pretty doubtful, I will return and one other is pretty certain, but I'll not retire in the US unless things change drastically in the next ten years.

Half a million fled the US health care system for surgery outside the US last year. That is not some tiny number that can be ignored, it's a meaningful percentage of all surgeries done on US citizens.

As for outcomes, the sad fact there is that nobody in the US counts ALL the outcomes, the uninsured are not counted. They just suffer or die, or manage on some kind of charity. If we count all the outcomes, those numbers will shift downwards dramatically.

The WHO does count all the outcomes, and their estimation of the average care level in the US regularly draws the ire of conservatives who angrily declaim how our captive organization, the UN, is totally against us.

Spin it as you like, when all the outcomes are counted, we don't come out very well at all.

>Here are some links to information that I have read.
>There is a lot of info out there, but this kind of
>boils it down.
>
> >href="http://www.fraserinstitute.org/newsandevents/news
>/6241.aspx">http://www.fraserinstitute.org/newsandevent
>s/news/6241.aspx
>
> >href="http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649">http://www.ncpa.or
>g/pub/ba649

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