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Date Posted: 06:22:04 02/09/05 Wed
Author: THuckaby
Subject: Re: one player away...
In reply to: JC 's message, "one player away..." on 20:23:40 02/08/05 Tue

I can understand and empathize with all of this. Yes, we have had a rash of bad luck in recent times that sure hasn't helped us (Brian Jones' mauling by Adonal Foyle, Kyle Bailey's injury, etc.), and yes, I have no doubt that Davey is a good man, well-respected by his fellow coaches.

BUT... the bottom line remains that he hasn't gotten the results that our school warrants, deserves, really ought to get.

And enough remains enough. This has gone on far too long.

Look at it this way: you all HAVE heard the story of how we had Casey Calvary all set to sign with SCU, when Davey the good man decided he had to inform Jason Sedlock first that he wouldn't get the spot he might have, right? Calvary's Dad says sign now or Casey's going elsewhere.... Davey stands his ground, says he owes it to Sedlock to tell him first... Mr. Calvary says great, we're going to Gonzaga. We get the solid citizen Jason Sedlock, Calvary goes on to make Gonzaga history. The what ifs are not hard to imagine... Calvary on a team with Brian Jones etc.?

And this is just a famous story, one bandied about quite a bit. Who knows what other stories there are?

Look, I sure as hell don't want us to become a Florida State type sports factory, breaking rules and going on probabation. That surely isn't what SCU is about. In the story above, Davey took a stand for a principle that wasn't worth it... seems to me pretty easy to sign Calvary and tell Sedlock after. Was the order of that news worth losing the recruit for? So yes, I am happy Davey has scruples and integrity, he remains a credit to the school.

BUT DAMMIT, I am sick and tired of us being beaten so horribly in recruiting? Wouldn't you all love to have a talented team, one that doesn't HAVE to overachieve to get us any wins? Yes, Davey is great at squeezing the most possible wins out of the crappy talent we have year after year...

But enough is enough! It doesn't have to be this way. We have a great school in a great place and yes, we do have more close D-I competition than Gonzaga, but that is more than trumped by the fact we're in the Bay Area and they are in god forsaken Spokane.

Oh well... my fellow '85 alums and I have bandied this about for several years now, and believe me, my feelings are the consensus. "Fed up" sums it up, for the most part.

Time to retire, Dick. We need new blood. Our program is in the doldrums - no energy, no excitement, no hope on the horizon. They tease us with big wins, then let us down with too many awful losses. The time has come.

We want Rambis.
We REALLY want Grier from Gonzaga... that would be a huge boost for us - he's a recruiter to the max - and would really hurt them, making a double whammy to dream about...

In any case, we just need something new. Mediocrity can be accepted no longer.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> hope on the Horizon -- Bronco66, 09:43:59 02/09/05 Wed

thanks TH for the insight ... I had not heard the Casey Calvary story ... and as a long time alumn I too "long" for "the return to glory" and as I get "older" I also appreciate that SCU HAS been a program of intregrity for as long as I can remember ...

There is a great quote (for me) in 'Bronco Sundays' that has Coach Pat Malley saying to his team to remember that the SC on their jackets stands for "Style and Class" ...

I heard a USC seeming big time alumni in the SWA line at Spokane on Sunday morning complaining about their new coach's lack of "style" thowing off his suit jacket in a game ... in some ways I prefer Double-D's style "points" of kicking his thrown of jacket off of the floor onto a chair ...

and about hope ... hey I understand (from last night's Radio Show) that DD was in Lubbock watching our next jittbugging PG play ... and I think adding LP to the coaching staff will make important differences ...

DD always seems to play by the book (well the book does say you get 5 fouls ... and my mother always taught me it was a sin to waste what you are given) so I would not be suprised if there was more to hear this recruiting year --- no inside info here ... just a gut feeling ...

HEY ... my biggest request is always what am I and what are you willing to do to help the situation as it is TODAY ...

and with a HUGE St. Mary's game looming on Friday ... well

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HEY ... thanks for bringing the discussion to the board ... I have met Kurt and for all I know he is another outstanding example of the type of student/athlete I love knowing (and bragging about) that MY university seeks and supports ....

Go BRONCOS ! ! !

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: hope on the Horizon -- THuckaby, 13:32:56 02/09/05 Wed

It is a tough line to tread, I will grant that. We sure as heck don't want to have the improprieties that USF once did, and I wouldn't want the mercenary transfers that LMU had during the Kimble/Gathers era. We are a school of student/athletes, and we have a right to be proud of that.

BUT... we also have a very proud history, as you well know, and we aren't living up to that in recent times, at least in terms of wins and losses.

I just do expect more.

And well... Davey has given me nothing to be optomistic about in terms of recruiting. I mean can we PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get a decent big man? Who's the last one we have? I swear things are so bad I am pining away for Dan Weiss and Matt Wilgenbush. Sure Denison has potential, but this has been a lost year... can some day soon we get a big man with some actual results to go along with potential?

Oh well, I don't need to rant any more. And forgive me also if I don't get too excited about Lloyd Pierce coming on as an assistant. That to me merits a yawn.

But I am quite beaten down by our mediocrity, as you can tell.

Hope does spring eternal. I was excited as everyone else when we beat UNC and Stanford.

But the rest of this year has been such a huge disappointment... the only thing that can save it really is a WCC tourney title. That CAN happen, sure. But I am not holding my breath.

This Friday against SMC? Yawn. I'm not kidding. Oh sure, they remain our rivals and any SMC game is important for bragging rights. But in the scheme of things, what the hell difference does it make, win or lose? All we have to play for now is holding off USD and USF for 4th place, so we can get first round bye. And the games head to head against them are gonna determine that. This Friday? I've already chalked it up as a loss, and we are playing with house money having destroyed them in Moraga, so it really doesn't matter.

BTW, from all accounts Rambis is a great guy... I missed him by one year at school, but we shared a faculty advisor (George Giacomini) and I spent damn near all my time with GG talking about Rambis!

TH

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> SMC --- Yawn -- Bronco66, 16:02:08 02/09/05 Wed

as for the St Mary's game being a yawn ... actually we need the 4th place (and maybe even the third) for a good shot at the title ...

remember 4 plays 1 in the Semis and 3 plays 2

also if we beat them and they take one more loss (and we win out ... yah I know) we have the tie breaker and move into 2nd place with two tourney byes ....

not just a yawn ...

I understand all of what you both are saying ... and can appreciate it ... all I *KNOW* is that the Broncos are my team I am supporting them and we will see where the chips fall this spring ....

the tide is turning at SCU ... and now more than ever the U needs our support and involvement ... good or bad but just not indifferent ...

I appreciate the post and the discussion ... thanks for bringing it and

Go BRONCOS

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: SMC --- Yawn -- THuckaby, 07:18:19 02/10/05 Thu

66:

I am well aware of the ramifications of finishing in 5th, and the loss of a bye that results. But this game remains a YAWN, for several reasons:

a) yes, it helps if we win, but the games at USF and at USD (the two teams we are competing with for 3rd/4th) are gonna settle that no matter what happens against SMC tomorrow.

b) I am SICK AND FREAKIN' TIRED of 3rd and 4th place being a "big" thing for us! Dammit, is this the mediocre level to which we've sank? Sure, if we get the bye, we have a better chance to win the tourney - that's basic logic. But do you really think we have a snowball's chance in hell of pulling that off, bye or no bye? Either way it would require consecutive wins over SMC and Gonzaga. I don't see it.

So sure, I love the Broncos too. I really do. I care about our hoops WAY too much, to be honest.

But if you see a things turning around... good lord, what are you seeing? Where's the light at the end of the tunnel? Think about next years team, without Perkins and Bailey. Can we say mediocre?

It's all fine and dandy to support the school. I do that heart and soul.

But we deserve better than 15 years of mediocrity.

So I am just jazzed to hell about this "big" game against SMC - NOT! Oh sure, if we win that's wonderful, as a sweep of the Gaels is always a good thing. But in the competitive scheme of things, the game is as close to meaningless as we will ever have.

And that just plain sucks.

TH

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: hope on the Horizon -- Disgruntled Bronco Fan, 15:07:04 02/09/05 Wed

Wow TH. You and I really feel the same about our SCU Broncos. I went to the UNC and Stanford games. And yes, I too felt something special after those victories. Of course, that feeling went away with bad losses and now I share your same sentiment on this season. YAWN!!! When you look at college basketball today, the successful teams have excellent guard play and solid frontcourts. When we win, we have both. But in our many losses, only one of those elements have been present. Niesen is solid, but not big enough to clean up the boards. Denison is still too soft. KB hasn't been the same since his freshman year. And DP, while great, is too inconsistent with his shot. So to get back on top, SCU will not only need a big man (taller than Niesen) who's willing to bang in there, but also a guard who can beat a defense off the dribble and stretch out defenses with the trey. Just look at the #1 team in the country...Illinois. Their big men aren't the most skilled...but they're not afraid to get dirty. And Illinois arguably has the best backcourt in the country. The way Illinois is playing is the key to success in college basketball. DD found these players before. I don't know what's happened since Marlon Garnett. Garnett was the last SCU guard I remember who could do the things I mentioned earlier.

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