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Date Posted: - Tuesday - 02/ 2/10 - 11:59pm
Author: Jared Kibele
Subject: Cabin Keys

Hi everyone,

I'm going to try and get some key blanks from Hori locks in Japan as mentioned in this thread: http://www.voy.com/119861/4/1980.html If I'm successful, I plan on getting a few extra blanks in case anyone else wants some (I figure I might as well since it seems like kind of a pain in the butt to get them). If anyone else has the same lock and wants some blanks, let me know.

Just to make sure we're on the same page, lock-wise, here are some photos of my lock: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kibele/sets/72157623209894827/ It's off of Mariner 31, hull #9.

-Jared

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[> Yep, looks just like mine... -- Randall, Murre, M31, - Wednesday - 02/ 3/10 - 12:49am

My key:




Whoa, that's a big photo. Hmmm. How'd I do that?

In any case, I'd like two blanks if you please. Let me know the cost. Can send you physical address via email.

I've only ever had the one key...for some 9 years now. Getting two blanks I guess ensures I'll lose the origian over the side. Still that seems safer. :)

Thanks man.

RR


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[> [> Thanks for the photo -- Jared Kibele, - Saturday - 02/ 6/10 - 7:58pm

Thanks for the photo Randall, that should help. According to this thread: http://www.voy.com/119861/4/1980.html the keys are $10 a piece but we'll deal with that when and if I manage to get a hold of them. I haven't gotten any response yet to my email to Hori locks. ...of course, my email was in english and that could have had something to do with it.

I'm not giving up yet though. My brother has some friends in Tokyo who speak japanese so I'm going to see if I can get him to help me out. I'll keep you posted.

-Jared


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[> [> [> Contacting Hori Locks. -- Bruce, - Monday - 02/ 8/10 - 4:27pm

Hello Jared,
I recieved the following email from Hori Locks (T.Matsuzawa). This email also has direct contact information FYI. I actually talked to someone on the telephone from Hori Locks back then (couple of years ago) Good luck:

Dear Mr. Allen:

Thank you for attaching images with your e-mail. Before receiving your lock order and issuing a price quote, we need to have you check the following:

1. What is the thickness of your, presumably wooden, door?
2. Would you need a “Thumb-turn” (Turn-piece to operate the deadbolt) inside?
3. Keys included with your lockset will be cut to a new number (will not be keyed-alike to match other cylinders).
4. Three keys will be included with your lockset. Would you need additional spare keys for this lockset?

We appreciate your understanding and cooperation.

Best regards,
T. Matsuzawa
mail : info@hori-locks.co.jp
URL http://www.hori-locks.co.jp


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[> Thanks -- Jared Kibele, - Monday - 02/ 8/10 - 6:37pm

The email address there (info@hori-locks.co.jp) is the one I used to send my query but I still haven't heard back. My brother's friend said he would help and I sent all the information to him (including the picture that Randall posted). I guess there are benefits to having a brother obsessed with collecting old Japanese toys.

Did you end up replacing your whole lock? If you don't mind my asking, how much did that set you back?

-Jared


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[> Hori lock set -- Mark (AEOLUS), - Monday - 02/ 8/10 - 9:34pm

You guys might checkout our "brothers" site, fujiyachts.net The 5th topic down talks about replacing the lock set http://www.fujiyachts.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=642. Some good info


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[> [> i can get keys in ct -- dan, - Saturday - 02/13/10 - 12:19pm

hey i just had 6 coppies made my freind works at a lock smith and they had 10 blanks sent from japan...let m know if your interested they were also 10 a piece


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[> [> [> Yes!!! -- Jared Kibele, - Sunday - 02/14/10 - 11:45pm

I'd like to have 4 of them and I think Randall wants 2. Please send me an email at jkibele at gmail dot com and we can work out the details. Thanks a lot!

-Jared


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[> [> [> [> here is my email -- dan kaizen 148, - Monday - 02/15/10 - 12:19pm

my email is radulewicz@yahoo.com any one else need keys let me know


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[> [> [> [> [> I sent email too -- Jared Kibele, - Tuesday - 02/16/10 - 7:53pm

Just let me know if you didn't get the email and thanks again!


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[> [> [> Yes Please...and Bruce too? -- Randall, - Monday - 02/15/10 - 1:15pm

Dan, I sent you an email. Thanks again.


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[> Has anyone heard from Dan? -- Jared Kibele, - Monday - 03/ 1/10 - 1:12pm

I was just wondering if anyone had heard from Dan about the key blanks. I sent him a couple of emails but I haven't heard anything back.


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[> [> I have not heard back -- Randall, - Monday - 03/ 1/10 - 2:29pm


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[> [> [> Me Neither -- bruce, - Monday - 03/ 1/10 - 9:02pm

I have not heard anything either. FYI jared, I never heard back from Hori, so went with a different lock system. I used a traditional bronze haspe and marine combo lock - unfortunately. I would have loved to have the original Hori lock, but wasn't able to make that happen. Good luck.


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[> [> Not ready to give up yet -- Jared Kibele, - Tuesday - 03/ 2/10 - 12:52pm

Bummer. I'm going to see if I can get one of my brother's friends in Tokyo back on the case. I've had a bronze hasp on mine since I got it but the previous owner installed the long floppy part of the hasp on the hatch and the small part on the board. With this configuration, I occasionally get stuck inside when the hasp flops down over the other part. Of course, I can fix it by just reversing those two pieces but I'd much rather have the original lock working.


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[> [> [> Japanese Speaking -- bruce, - Tuesday - 03/ 2/10 - 1:45pm

Good idea. I actually called Hori Locks on the telephone once, and made some progress, but then the language barrier became an issue. If your brother has friends who speak Japanese, I believe you will be sucessful in getting someone fromthe factory on the phone who can help you.


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[> [> I have contacts in Tokyo too -- Randall, Murre, M31, - Tuesday - 03/ 2/10 - 1:58pm


My company has a Tokyo office and I'm fairly close with a couple of the people there whose English is good and Japanese, native.

If our task for them was a simple one and not too time consuming, I'd be happy to ask for their assistance.

RR


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[> [> [> Progress -- Jared Kibele, - Monday - 03/15/10 - 12:13am

Oh man. This is a never ending quest. Here's what I got back from my friend in Tokyo:

"I got the answer I was expecting, they won't sell blanks for security reasons. They did say they would cut you one and send that to us. They said they knew what the cut would be, crazy. It's about $10 per key. Do you want to try one?"


Here's what I sent in reply:

"Hmm. I had intended to get 4 for me and 4 for a couple of other people that also have Mariners. I definitely want four of them for me and if they're already cut for my lock, that's even better. Do you know how they know how to cut the key? If all Mariners had the same key, then I'd like 8 of them. If they know from the number on the lock (visible in one of the pictures of the lock), then I'd like 4 for me and I'll tell the others to send the numbers from their locks. If they know because of the picture of the key, then we have a problem because that's not my key. I don't have a key at all. That's a picture of someone else's key.

Sorry this is such a pain in the butt. It's really weird that they won't sell blanks. You can walk into any hardware store here and buy all kinds key blanks for houses and cars and all kinds of stuff. Besides, you can't open anything with a key blank. I went to a locksmith here in SB and they said that if I could get key blanks, they could cut them to work with my lock.

Anyway, thanks again. Please let me know what the deal is with how they determined how to cut the key and hopefully we can get this resolved."


So that's the saga so far. I'll let you know when there are further developments.

-Jared


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[> [> [> [> Update... -- Randall, - Monday - 03/15/10 - 1:46pm

Hey Jared,

Thanks for the update. I'd still like one or two and am happy to pay the "upcharge". :)

I only have one key, however, and am not willing to send it to Japan as a pattern. Hope they can use the number.

Thanks again,

RR


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[> [> [> [> [> the aftermarket keys i got are called fuki not hori. -- dan, - Monday - 03/22/10 - 7:45pm

check that out


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Cabin Keys -- Doug Wilson, - Wednesday - 05/12/10 - 9:30pm

In cleaning up the boat, I found the spare key.
Ace Hardware, stamped SC1, and Taiwan.
Maybe made at a Japanese "Ace Hardware"?


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[> Mixed success -- Jared Kibele, - Monday - 09/20/10 - 1:55pm

I finally managed to get keys from Japan and got my lock working. That's the good news. The bad news was that I was unable to get keys for anyone else. Hori will not sell blanks. The will only sell keys that have been cut. I was also unable to get any response at all to emails sent in english. The way I finally got my keys was by contacting a friend who speaks Japanese and happened to be in Tokyo. She physically went to Hori with the code I gave here off of the side of my lock and they cut the keys. I wanted to get keys for Bruce and Randall as well but I couldn't figure out how to get the codes from you guys and make the transaction happen given short window of time and the difficulty of communicating over distance and time zones.

So I guess that the end result is that it is possible to get keys from Hori but not key blanks. In order to be successful, you need to have the code that is stamped on the side of the lock (should be the same as what is on the key). It also seems that you have a much better chance if you have someone that can speak Japanese.

Oh yeah, the keys that I got didn't actually open my lock at first. I had to take the lock and the keys to a locksmith (Cal Coast Locksmith in Goleta, CA). They had to re-key the lock for me. Either Hori's records were wrong and they cut the key incorrectly, or (and I think this is more likely) the lock had been re-keyed by a previous owner. Cal Coast did a great job and actually took the time to pick the lock, take it apart, and figure out what was going on so I'd definitely recommend sending your lock to them if you're having problems. They were the 4th or 5th locksmith I tried to get help from and the only one that was helpful.


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[> [> Thanks, Jared -- Randall, - Tuesday - 09/21/10 - 1:09am

Interesting news. Thanks for the efforts, Jared. Least we now know it's possible.

RR


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