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• Oooooooo right up my alley - I'll have to go over and check this one out! I'll have to pass on the vegetarian one tho'. I was born a carnivore to the core although I do eat my fruit & veggies too! Thanks for the info... (NT) -- Lori, 18:25:22 07/25/03 Fri
• Hi Sweety! Not much new here with me...SOS but I will check out this site! Thanks! I`ll be in touch when you get back (NT) -- Jeannine, 02:44:59 07/26/03 Sat
• OOPs wrong post! Hi Brenda, one of my DDs is vegetarian... its a pain to cook for her I think! Cost more too (NT) -- Jeannine, 02:46:29 07/26/03 Sat
• and I think Vegans...are not quite right in the head. We are meant to be carnivores, look at our teeth! Not to eat anything that is part of animal...thats what God put the animals here for!! (NT) -- J again, 02:48:34 07/26/03 Sat
  • That is what I was thinking of posting on SB!! We were meant to eat meat. Maybe not so much of it as some people eat it now. Seriously, yesterday I took my kids to the institute of american indian studies museum. And we saw a movie on how important deer were and how the deer were hunted. So little guy(5 1/2) gets very sad at the thoughts of the deer dying. (He watches Zoobomafoo on PBS and knows all about animals becoming extinct) So I explained how the indian people needed deer for food and warm clothing and how the people would pray to the great spirit for a good hunt and then thank the deer for its body. At dinner last night my son want to say grace not necessarily a thank you god for this food. He wanted to know who else to thank for it. And since it was chicken divan we thanked the chicken, the broccoli, and the campbell soup company!!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:27:27 07/26/03 Sat
    • Actually, if you look at our teeth, we are *not* natural meat eaters. Our incisors are NOT fangs, which is what we'd have if we were meant to eat: look at lions, cats, most any carnivore. Our front teeth are just smaller versions of a rabbit's front teeth, flat and sharp at the bottom. Also, if you look at our digestive tracts, they are SIGNIFICANTLY different than that of a carnivore, or even a true omnivore. Carnivores (look at cheetahs, for ex.) have exceedingly short digestive tracts, so that the meat passes through them quickly. Herbivores, on the other hand, have exceedingly LONG tracts (ours are many many feet long, as you all know!). All I'm saying is if you want to eat meat, it's your decision. But strictly speaking, human anatomy does not support carnivorous eating (I'm not disputing our dietary history, I know humans have eaten meat for thousands, if not more more, years. Just our originial biology). (NT) -- Ginger, proud to be vegan, and very much RIGHT in the head :), 03:35:22 07/31/03 Thu
      • After having recently done a couple of months of an herbal cleanse because of intestinal troubles I was experiencing, I can attest to the fact that it is amazing what gets cleared out, and thus what we carry around without our being aware of it. A friend of mine likes to do occasional fasts, and she told of one time that she was fasting for many days. Even though she was not eating, her intestines continued to clean out daily. I'll spare you further detail, but it's safe to say that for most of us, our intestines are likely impacted with foods that just have not been digested. Let your imagination fill in the blanks.... I can also attest to how good I was feeling after only 2 months of eating vegan. However, old habits die hard and I am back to occasional meats and such. I admire Vegans because of the commitment and the effort required to eat that way in a society that does not support it. (NT) -- Lissa, 16:01:01 07/31/03 Thu
  • Are Humans Meant to Eat Meat? Please look inside for some link s on this very topic. :) -- Linda in sw va, 18:06:15 07/26/03 Sat
• Just early this year I converted to vegetarianism, after a lot of reasearch. I'd felt it coming on for years. I am very happy with my decision. More inside on WHY if you'd like to know - -- sw va Linda, 17:04:45 07/26/03 Sat
  • Linda, Thank you for your beautiful message :) That is why I, ultimately, became vegan. (NT) -- Ginger, 03:37:14 07/31/03 Thu
• I think my main concern with eating meat and animal products is the additives that are being added. I don't think I would have a problem eating free range, organic chicken, beef, etc. I don't agree with the conditions some farmers keep their animals in either. (I have always refused to eat veal). However, as I said, it is mainly a health thing for me....what are we doing to our bodies because of growth hormones/antibiotics/etc. in our food? Kinda scary. (NT) -- Brenda, 19:34:50 07/26/03 Sat
• I have also decided to go organic/vegetarian as much as possible for all the reasons that Linda and Brenda say. When I do buy meat, it is the free range kind. Just get ahold of the book, "Fast Food Nation" to get a peek into what our food goes thru before reaching us. Besides not supporting cruelty of animals, I like knowing that my chickens have been given vitamins and fresh air to keep them healthy rather than given drugs in case they get some terrible diseases from their horrible living conditions. It's more expensive but I figure so is medical treatment for health issues caused by questionable food sources. Everything TASTES better organic, too. We feel more satisfied, so we eat less. But I agree with Jeannine, vegetarian meals need more preparation. Good thing my family likes all kinds of ethnic foods. *G* (NT) -- Lissa, 08:34:50 07/27/03 Sun
  • BTW I noticed that the food in Germany tastes much better because they still have all their local farms and the whole country follows what we call organic practices. IMHO It's a fine example of traditions winning out over "innovations." (NT) -- Lissa, 08:36:24 07/27/03 Sun
    • Local meat does taste better, I agree, but the best taste a experienced in Canada actually. I had a steak there that tasted like the meat in Germany tasted in my childhood. They just feed the animals different nowadays I think. (NT) -- Martina, 09:32:04 07/28/03 Mon
  • Lissa, that's how I look at it when I buy organic, it's more expensive yes but worth it in the long run! Luckily I have a great shop that opened up a few months ago nearby and almost everything they sell is organic. Having a nice variety readily available sure helps. They also cator to vegetarians and have a wonderful selection of products! And for those that like meat they have a selection of free range products, including broth's. and nitrate free bacon. They even have organic make-up and I've fallen in love with Burt's Bee's products, my skin has absolutely never looked better! :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 13:41:48 07/28/03 Mon
    • Sorry, but I canīt imagine nitrate free bacon. What does it taste like? Does it have a taste?*lol* In Germany bacon always is smoked meat that has to be salty to stop it from rotting away within days. So how do they replace the salt? Just curious here.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 13:58:51 07/29/03 Tue
      • Hi Martina! I"m no expert but I don't think taking the nitrates out removes the salt, I think although nitrates contain a type of salt they are also some kind of preserative that is supposed to be very bad for you. I read somewhere that in European countries it's not even allowed in the food?? Can you check your bacon and see? LOL We have it in Hot Dogs and Bacon here, and as it figures those are two of my son's fav foods. :( I have no idea what the nitrate free bacon taste like as I've never tried it, but one day I will run it by Jason and he can give it his seal of approval, or not. :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 18:52:47 07/29/03 Tue
        • Thanks Linda, I informed myself about the nitrate and found out that it is a salt indeed, but not one that they add.*lol* It is in the meat because the animals eat the grass of overly manured fields. So that special bacon must be from animals that have been fed with nitrate free food. That is cool. I havenīt seen it here so far, because we live in the country and the manure on the fields is a huge problem. There simply is no land you could grow anything nitrate free on. Only our water is free of it, because the european water law is the worlds most strict one. They have to filter it out. Because of those strong controls our tab water is healthier than any bottled water we could buy. (NT) -- Martina, 03:38:41 07/30/03 Wed
          • Thanks Martina, that's very interesting, I didn't know exactly what they were. I remember reading articles on it years ago and think of it now and then when I get concerned that Jason (my little boy) might be eating too much of it. This is the first I've seen of nitrate free bacon though, we live in the country here too. (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 09:17:39 07/30/03 Wed
• The concerns about hormones and additives are very real and they do affect women especially in many ways. The hormones especially wreak havoc on our systems causing PMS & menopause to be more difficult to go through. We try to eat as much wild game as possible, it's waaay lower in fat, no hormones, much healthier overall. I don't mind the taste so it's not a problem for me. Most of the wild game we buy is from a taxidermist who hunts it himself. He uses the meat to feed his family, sells some and then what's left over from the animal, he sells at a reduced price to Native Americans in the area to use for clothing, furniture & their arts and crafts so they can make a living (sadly, this is all some of them have left of their culture). The hard part is going out to eat. Not very many restaurants have wild game. It's a dilema when one loves meat! (NT) -- Lori, 13:14:56 07/27/03 Sun
• I believe humans are meant to eat everything, meaning they experience a lack of vitamins/minerals if they eat food of the same kind all the time. I canīt say that in a better way in English, sorry, I hope I make sense. As for me I feel best if I follow my moods. Sometimes I crave veggies, sometimes a steak. Listening to what my body needs seems to be working for me. I believe we are meant to eat various things to stay healthy. People often use the "old times" as an example and say way back in the past hunters were not that lucky mostly and so they had to eat green stuff, and human kind survived anyway. But were those people healthier than we are? As far as research goes they didnīt get very old. I think it is like with everything else in life, balance makes the difference. IMHO. (NT) -- Martina, 09:12:26 07/28/03 Mon
  • Hi Martina! That's a very good point about variety, I think whether you're a meat eater or a vegatrian variety in the diet is important to good health. Also, about the life-span of people, lucky for us it is getting longer! lol I think that is due to many things - our lfie is not as harsh and importantly - we have better medical care available to us now. As well as a better variety of foods. Plus we have more info on nutricion and brushing teeth and so forth! I've read articles on how keeping your teeth healthy actually effects your whole body in a much larger way than people realize. The hormones and additives in feed, farming etc. is a new thing in the past century or so. Factory Farming as well because mass production has become a way of life for most modern markets. That's also a very good point to listen to what you're body tells you, just like we all find our own path spiritually I think it's important to listen to our bodies in other ways as well. :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 13:34:15 07/28/03 Mon
    • Like just last night, my body was telling me to have a huge dish of ice cream, so I got in my car and went off to get it. Almond Joy is my new favorite-- coconut ice cream with chunks of almonds and chocolate. mmmm It probably wasn't organic milk, and the value of the calcium was most likely canceled out by the fat and sugar, but oh well. I am convinced that eating ice cream was one of the things I came back to earth for. Why should I deny my soul the quiet pleasure of such a wonderful invention? *G* The bottom line of this whole discussion is that we are all free to decide what we choose in life, food included. What works for me might not work for you, but that doesn't mean that one is right and the other is wrong. It sure is fun to discuss it all, though. Don't you think? (NT) -- Lissa, 14:56:33 07/28/03 Mon
      • Lissa, very cute! Yes, life is too short to pass up ice cream or any other little pleasures that catch our fancy. :) :) And of course I agree with you on each of us deciding what's best for us. My husband likes meat and my kids eat some, I'm not going to force them to change their diet, for one thing I think it's something they can decide in their own time much like religion.. (NT) -- sw va Linda, 18:38:06 07/28/03 Mon
      • HAHAHAHAHAHAHA (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:37:56 07/29/03 Tue
      • Bwahahaha, you are absolutely right. Nothing bad about ice-cream anyway, once again itīs the balance. If youīd eat nothing else than ice-cream your body would probably donīt like it any more sooner or later anyway. Most of the time it protects us very well from doing the wrong thing. Thatīs what appetite and cravings are good for, right?*g* (NT) -- Martina, 13:54:40 07/29/03 Tue
    • Yes of course our easier life circumstances have a lot to do with the life span, although media nowadays makes us believe it is all about what we eat.*lol* Itīs a shame though how industrial modern food is. Meat aside, why the heck do they add all that sh$& to the food??? I just read on a package of "natural herbal" pills 5 types of chemical colors and sacharin (sugar substitute stuff) which is suspected to cause cancer. What does that have to do in a "natural" product? I just donīt get it. That makes me angry. (NT) -- Martina, 13:50:27 07/29/03 Tue
      • You know I just attended a seminar about this very topic the other day at my local health food store! They said a product only has to have so much (and it can be quite little) of a natrual ingredient to put the term 'natural' on their product label. It's very misleading! I'm always checking labels now. I don't know why they have to do it but I suspect a lot of it has to do with cutting costs. (NT) -- swvaLinda, 09:22:43 07/30/03 Wed
        • Probably. I was just wondering why they need to put artificial color to a herbal based pill for better sleep which turns out to be almost black anyway, and sugar substitute to something you swallow!*lol* It just makes no sense adding this stuff. What for??? It would save costs NOT to add anything. It is the same here, by the way, I always read what is in a product as well. (NT) -- Martina, 13:25:08 07/30/03 Wed
  • like mystory of my DD and her meat eating like inthe old days! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:39:33 07/29/03 Tue

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• Does anyone else look for numbers as messages? When I see 269--the number of my childhood address--I think of my mother. Sometimes that number will show up in special places and I feel as if she is sending a message to me. When we got the mortgage statement for this new house, I had to smile because 269 was within the big number. Then as I wrote out the whole thing, I noticed that the exact date I got married was the rest of the number! How was THAT for a 20th anniversary present from beyond the grave! (I feel that she helped to line things up for us--- long story) Does anyone else have a story to tell? (NT) -- Lissa, 13:04:17 07/27/03 Sun
  • Lissa, I'm the same with two addresses out of the many from my past... 5877 Pamaline Court and 308 Palomino Drive. Those numbers are always popping up in my life. (NT) -- Jennifer, 14:28:04 07/31/03 Thu
• This is fascinating! I've never thot' about it much although I have heard of number sequencing as messages. Do you know if this came from a certain book? If so I'd like the name. I've always been drawn to odd numbers period. We have 3 pets, there are 5 pillows on the couches, I plant flowers in clumps of 3 or 5. Same with when I'm creating jewelry. I seem to always use 5 or 13 as a bead pattern. It's very strange that even numbers just don't seem comfortable to me at all. Even as a little kid everything had to be an odd number. I'll have to do some more research on this one. Cool stuff! (NT) -- Lori, 13:26:52 07/27/03 Sun
• Hi everyone, I'm kind of back too. Finished my exams a week ago. I think I passed everything. Will find out this week. The numbers things is pretty fascinating. I have an acquaintenance who knows a lot about numbers and one time he did all these numerology things related to my birth date and particular numbers that I like, but he went so fast I barely understood what he was doing. I know someone else who is really into numerology and kind of uses it to watch the stock market. Pretty crazy stuff and over my head right now. (NT) -- Maria A., 19:54:48 07/27/03 Sun
• Too weird that you brought this up just now! come inside please, I got too long -- Jeannine, 00:57:13 07/28/03 Mon
  • Funny, my house no. is 58!*lol* I donīt know much about numerology, but I remember a friend adding birthdayno. or even the house no. to come up with one no.in the end, which he would explain then. Like if you are a 4-type of person, you are chaotic or such, haha. I canīt say no. told me anything yet in my life. At least I didnīt notice. (NT) -- Martina, 09:40:38 07/28/03 Mon
  • hahaha And I am Elizabeth, born in 1958. Maybe you were destined to meet ME! hahahaha (NT) -- Lissa, 14:12:02 07/28/03 Mon
    • I have NO DOUBTS about that!! You have been there for me whenever the BIG questions come up or I need to learn something! :oD (NT) -- Love ya J, 01:35:21 07/29/03 Tue
    • I second that! You are always there to set my head straight!*VBG* (NT) -- Martina, 13:36:48 07/29/03 Tue
      • Aren't you both so sweet. Thank you for the kind complements. *blush* (NT) -- Lissa, 15:24:40 07/31/03 Thu

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• Oh darn. The link didn't work. Neither did cutting and pasting. Let me try again >>>>> -- Betsy, 17:04:08 07/25/03 Fri
• WWW.ANGELWORDS.COM (NT) -- Betsy, who is exhibiting the extent of her computer-stupidity, 17:11:44 07/25/03 Fri
• Good to hear from you! I love those street fair type events. There are always the coolest things at them. I'll go check out this woman's site. Her work sounds very interesting. It's always nice to hear there are artists out there who put so much of themselves into their work and it shows. She's sounds like a really cool lady. Can't wait to see this piece you've told us about. Hope you have a great trip and keep in touch when you get back. Big hugs! (NT) -- Lori (sneezing, coughing & slobbering her way through a summer cold - blech!), 18:22:56 07/25/03 Fri
• Me again. Betsy her work is beautiful! I really loved the one "For the love of..." it was so pretty and I like "Misty" too. Anything with mountains will tug at my heartstrings. I wish the pics on the site were bigger. They wonderful! Thanks for sharing her with us. (NT) -- Lori, 18:32:53 07/25/03 Fri
• Here's an address for you to check out when you have time...http://www.spiritcollage.homestead.com Check out Lori Barker's work and her angels. She is the one I love to see at my local festivals. Now I wish I could see Mary Pierce's in person too, very wonderful!! Have a wonderful week Betsy and I'll just say "Boom chicka rocka chicka rocka chicka boom!!!!!!" (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:21:37 07/26/03 Sat
• OHHHHH How Lovely!!! Very tempting to break out the credit card!!! :) :) :) Just beautiful!! I see she has notecards too! Thanks for the terrific link. :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 16:13:53 07/26/03 Sat
• Gorgeous gorgeous work! You know, looking at those prices, I will once again remind my daughter of her inate talent, encouraging her to keep working with it. Imagine being able to make a fine living by creating such fun and beautiful works of art? I once spoke with a woman who made all kinds of fantastic pottery. She said that she set up at only 3 shows a year! The rest of her time was spent in creating. Wow. She said that she started in pottery after her husband left her with 3 small children. It took her a year or two to start making money (the first 6 months spent learning the art!), but she has never looked back. Sounds nice, doesn't it. (NT) -- Lissa, 08:48:28 07/27/03 Sun
• What a wonderful story Lissa. Creating is such a good outlet for so many things. It calms, it inspires, it helps others in ways you don't even realize. It also helps keep you out of trouble (hehe). I applaud you for reminding your daughter of her talents. They are truly a gift from Spirit and should be utilized whenever possible. So many people have so much to share through things they don't even know they can do - yet! (NT) -- Lori, 13:33:06 07/27/03 Sun
• I have seen the type of art that you describe, but at this site I couldnt see a thing! I guess I will have to get the perscription for glasses filled. It was too small for me to see the detail etc. The last time we went to the Ren fair there was an artist drawing fairies....I was so drawn to them! The price though!! All people need to create! Women especially! (Whats that book? Women that Run with Wolves?) I just wish I was good enough at something to make $ from it and love doing it! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:06:51 07/28/03 Mon
• Hi to you too Betsy. Checking out the site now. (NT) -- Jennifer, 14:31:33 07/31/03 Thu

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• OMG Can I have every one of them? I just love Radiance, but Brigit speaks to me, too. I must say, that is a very tasteful rendition of Sheela Na Gig and anyone who has seen this in it's original form will know what I mean. It's found in Ireland and Scotland and is a very potent symbol of receptivity and life, shall we say. hehehe (NT) -- Lissa, 14:41:44 07/28/03 Mon
  • Well, of course I had to go back and take a second look at the Sjheela Na Gig one, hehehe! Gosh, I have a hard enough time explaining vessel when someone asks me, I can't imainge explaing that one. ;-) Oh and I almost got the Radiance one! I agree, it's hard to chose one. I also like the tree pose from Yoga. (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 18:34:38 07/28/03 Mon
    • hehe Such interesting things you can find on a google search... try typing in Sheela Na Gig. I was looking for a picture to share with you all and I came across some incredibly interesting reading. Here is a page with a clear picture--you get the general idea of what the Sheela's are about *wink*-- and a link to a page written by a woman who did lots of research, with good links at the end.... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/moonstone/sheelafront.htm And to think we thought the stone circles were the big mystery in Celtic lands. *G* (NT) -- Lissa, 00:08:25 07/29/03 Tue
      • WOW! Lissa, great info there! As I was reading about Sheela over the doorways, I thought of the movie Patch Adams and the GYN meeting where he made the doorway resemble the crotch of a woman. ANYWAY, I admire people that can really live their spiritual life! I mean to say that I cant seem to blend my spiritual views with my messy life. So when I read about someone that lives as they believe,I enjoy that. Am I making sense? (NT) -- Jeannine, speaking of the author of the article of your link, 02:22:08 07/29/03 Tue
      • And I always thought those were the red light district signs back then. (NT) -- Martina *feeling goofy today*, 14:28:19 07/29/03 Tue
      • Ohhh very interesting indeed! Thanks so much for the link! Boy the things I've learned through the internet! *BG* I'm going to check out her links too. :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 09:12:45 07/30/03 Wed
• Wow! These are wonderful. So simple yet they are so powerful and have such energy to each of them. I love Aphrodite for all the beautiful curves but I have to say I'm most attracted to Brigit. It made me laugh and think "that's what my bloody hair looks like when I wake up in the morning" hahahahahahahaha. I might have to suprise my DH with the raven pendant. He has a wonderful celtic raven tatto on his left shoulder and this reminds me of it. He's very into ravens and like the poor wolf it is a very misunderstood creature, bad in some cultures but good in others. Great site. Thanks (NT) -- Lori, 23:35:23 07/28/03 Mon
• I was drawn to Shakti and mermaid! Is it just me or is every damn site hard to read/see? (NT) -- Jeannine, am I losing it?, 01:47:46 07/29/03 Tue
  • I guess you are getting old Jeannine.*VBG* But it could also be your computer settings, so donīt worry.*g* Wow, those are really nice! I couldnīt decide for one if Iīd have to. I like the style very much, all those round shapes, makes me want to touch them. (NT) -- Martina, 14:09:15 07/29/03 Tue
• WOW!! I could have a charm necklace with all of them! But, of the bunch, Sheela Na Gig speaks very strongly to me. She nearly screams up off from the page. I guess I'll have to get her (when I can afford it on top of everything else I have Lori holding for me) and have Lori put her on a necklace. I like Wave and Raven, too. :) (NT) -- Ann, 16:14:32 07/30/03 Wed

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• Oh Jennifer! It's so nice to see you here! Would you believe me if I said I was thinking of you today when David Gray's "Please Forgive Me" came on the radio? The ol' magnet still works. *G* I was going to email you, if I could get a turn online, and here you are. Cool! Dave is inbetween jobs and hogs the 'puter all day. Have you moved in with your man? I'll be sure to send your boy off with lots of reiki... some for his Mom, too. We moved into a house that has a wee water garden, plants and waterfall, and I love it. My dd is goth, but my experience of the breed is that they are happy and well-adjusted kids, non-judgemental and fun. So relax when you see them. ;-) Where are you working now? Hope it's good. My 2 girl cats are Gwenevere and Persephone. I have a hard time with boy names. Sorry. Big hugs to you!! Don't stay a stranger!! (NT) -- Lissa, 20:57:31 07/24/03 Thu
• Good to hear from you Jennifer! Hope to see those pics soon! (NT) -- Ron, 23:26:37 07/24/03 Thu
• Nice to see you here again Jennifer. Just thinking about sitting beside a nice pond with little fish and cool plants makes me feel serene. We have 2 boy kitties too. One is Remmie (short for Remington) and the other is Iggie (short for Igmu - the Lakota Sioux name for cat). Have fun thinking of names for him and we'll check out the pics too! Sorry to hear your son will have to go over to Iraq. We'll keep him in our thot's and know that we're thankful for any and all who have to be over there helping put the pieces back together! (NT) -- Lori, 18:15:21 07/25/03 Fri
• Hi Jen!!! Miss You!! Your life sounds nice and happy!! My DDs are away too, and its tugging my heart to know that even though i dont see them everyday, they are close by, but now they are not! HEY do you have the password for this board still? Some of us would like a change of scenery. If not will you contact Melissa and ask her if we can have it??? OH and how about Adso or Jamie or Seamus or Colum or Mckenzie or Ian or Dougal???? (NT) -- Jeannine, 02:43:42 07/26/03 Sat
  • Jeannine, check in with Christine when she gets back from Novia Scotia, first week in August I think. She sees Melissa often and Melissa's computer gives her trouble anyway. But I think Christine has password for this board. (NT) -- JC*, 14:33:19 07/26/03 Sat
• HEY Jennifer!! So nice to see you. I agree with you on the new Lord John. I've got the Hellfire ebook that I can't bring myself to read so I know I won't read this new one. James Patterson can be especially creepy. You can try Beach House of his, mysterious and not to wigged out. Or try "Suzanne's Diary for Nicholas" A very unmysterious read and a tearjerker from him of all things. It's summer so I am reading beach novels!!! Reading for the body. In September maybe I'll read for my mind. Book group has chosen DaVinci Code to discuss. There was a bit of discussion on this book farther down the board. We have a goldfish tank inside our home...our Goldie may be ready for your pond soon--she's huge. And I second Adso for a cat name!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:33:37 07/26/03 Sat
  • Who was Adso? (NT) -- Lissa, 08:51:58 07/27/03 Sun
    • In Fiery Cross, Jamie finds a kitten on the way home and gives him to Claire. I think the name came from a story about his mother but I've forgotten already having only read Fiery Cross once. (NT) -- JC*, 09:58:16 07/27/03 Sun
      • Yup one of my QOTD Adso of Mulk! He was a saint I believe. (NT) -- J, 01:11:56 07/28/03 Mon
        • Thanks! Time for a reread if I can't recall things like that. *G* But first I must finish playing out my current fascination with Mary Magdalene. (NT) -- Lissa, 14:59:25 07/28/03 Mon
• I forgot to say that I ordered the new LJG book too, no news on the release yet though. Check out the new board at LOL for discussion of Hellfire! he is not my fav either but I LOVE DG so it is all fine for me (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:25:24 07/28/03 Mon

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• Sure Ron! That way we wont bore anyone that doesnt know what we are talking about!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:36:55 07/22/03 Tue
  • Okay. Send me an email when you're ready to start. I check mine about six times a day, unless I'm out of town, and I won't be again until Fergus! (NT) -- Ron, 08:24:15 07/22/03 Tue
    • will do! (NT) -- J, 01:31:11 07/23/03 Wed
• Wow guys Aila(sp) and Jondular were my first loves. I enjoyed Shelters. (NT) -- Reenie, 20:33:37 07/27/03 Sun

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• Welcome Kathie! I know what you mean about wearing the old books out hahahahaha. Don't worry about the HTML stuff - I always screw that stuff up when I post hehe. I'm sure someone will have stuff to tell you about the Boston gathering and will post it for you. Nice to see a new face, kick back and join in the fun. We've had some pretty incredible conversations going on here lately! (NT) -- Lori, 18:26:25 07/22/03 Tue
• Kathie, as far as I can recall, there was only one Boston gathering about two years ago. However, Jeannine is planning a gathering in September at the Highland Games in New Hampshire the weekend of September 19 to 21. I trust she will contact you later with how to join the group that's planning to attend. (NT) -- Ron, 21:35:54 07/22/03 Tue
  • Yes, Kathie, the above were pictures from a get together 2 years ago. BUT I have your e-mail addy and I will send you an invite to join the list I have for New England Hosers, where are you? (NT) -- Jeannine, why is that link not working??, 01:27:32 07/23/03 Wed
    • NE Hosers -- Kathie, 19:44:50 07/23/03 Wed
      • ahhh, one of my favorite towns on earth. Would it be the M word? How exciting. I'm in the S town quite often visiting my brother. History geeks rule! ;-) (NT) -- Lissa, 00:59:32 07/24/03 Thu
• Welcome Kathie!!! Nice to see a new face.*g* Any weird story you wanna share with us?*wink* (NT) -- Martina, 03:15:30 07/23/03 Wed
  • Thank you for the warm welcome! -- Kathie, 19:35:48 07/23/03 Wed
• Hello Kathie! We may be quieter here than the Social Board but that doesn't mean we are dead!! We just move at a different pace. There's time to reflect here, not so at SB where if you pause a post may scroll off the board. Oh and I am Jeannie of the CT Highlands!!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:36:28 07/26/03 Sat
  • Oooops: Spirit World Friends is quiet....you all are rocking :-) -- Kathie, 14:28:48 07/27/03 Sun

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• Brenda I am sorry to not answer any mail, I am in real stress right now! Thanks so much for the wonderful pictures, you made me soooo envy!!!*VBG* Well, one fine day.... (NT) -- Martina *who will say more to the religious subject later*, 05:20:56 07/18/03 Fri
• It's summer time and the reading is easy!!! I sheepishly admit to reading juicy page turners lately...racing through anything by Karen Marie Moning. Very good and very fun to read. DH is enjoying my reading as well*wink* Good luck on your race!! I'll be doing the camp sleepover tonight. There will be lots of songs round the campfire tonight. I'll toast yall with a s'more!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 06:52:40 07/18/03 Fri
  • good luck with your race! (NT) -- J again, 04:49:37 07/19/03 Sat
• I am reading about 5 books at once. AND my opinion of the local library here is that it SUCKS! There was ONE book about Women and Religion....and it wasnt in. The rest were so OLD that I think I knew more from watching the Discovery Channel. Well, my summer isnt going as I would have liked. Instead of hardly working. I am working 40 hrs. DH is now out of work for 4 weeks and we dont know if he will be compensated and now he has a lawyer involved. I cant afford to put DD into anything fun for the summer, but we are still going to horseback riding lessons... So all I can afford to do is read.I guess the Universe know what it was doing to thwart my plans for Fergus! I wouldnt have been able to go anyway and had to cancel that weekend off so I can work and make $$$ to pay the rent. I aksed to work more and got it! DH home means I can sleep..AND my F*#@^ing washing machine broke! (NT) -- Jeannine, kind of down with DDs gone and my life upside down, 01:21:24 07/19/03 Sat
  • OH and if you really want my opinion of the heaven thing, let me know and I will e-mail you...of course you have to find your own answers! (NT) -- J again, 01:41:57 07/19/03 Sat
  • (((Jeannine))) I will e-mail you tomorrow....just got home from my races this weekend...we got second overall and had a great time! (NT) -- Brenda, 01:48:32 07/20/03 Sun
    • WOOHOO!! (NT) -- J, 00:13:07 07/21/03 Mon
• As for the question about life after death >>>>... -- Martina, 03:34:04 07/21/03 Mon
• There are so many good books out there that explore Near Death Experiences, when people have "died" and then come back to life and can remember what happened to them on the other side. I used to devour these books as they came out over the past 25 years. What they describe all makes sense to me. One word of advice, Please keep in mind that much of what the Catholic Church hierarchy has taught over the centuries has not been about enlightenment of the people but rather about keeping people dependent on them, right down to making people think they won't even get into heaven unless you do as they say. There is alot of good hidden within catholic faith, but you have to know what to look for, IMHO. (NT) -- Lissa, 09:09:00 07/27/03 Sun

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• Jeannine, you know I love Oriah Mountain Dreamer. I've been thinking of getting The Invitation as a poster for the wall behind my treadmill. (NT) -- JeanClaire*gotta start walking!!, 10:00:56 07/21/03 Mon
• I recall Viive saying that she knows the woman who wrote this. Anyways, it's a great poem. Thanks Jeannine! (NT) -- Lissa, 09:00:25 07/27/03 Sun

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• Have a very happy birthday, Reenie! (NT) -- Brenda, 20:27:50 07/20/03 Sun
• Have a wonderful day, Reenie! (NT) -- Ron, 21:36:41 07/20/03 Sun
• Hope your day was awesome!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:11:41 07/21/03 Mon
• Oops, I am late. We had visitors over the weekend and I didnīt even turn on the computer! How strange is that?*lol* Hope you had a great day Reenie! Wishing you a very good year! (NT) -- Martina, 03:15:57 07/21/03 Mon
• Hi all and Thanks so mich for the good thoughts. I had a great day and guess what I am finally getting a new pc that is my present and DSL woohoo. But I will have to change email for dsl etc. will keep you all informed of new addy. Thanks to all my friends and even if I am not always here I think of you all all the thime. I am working in that in home non medical care again this summer. I work at a woman house in Leesburg VA for 11-1 and then again from 7-10 at night. (NT) -- Reenie, 14:48:55 07/21/03 Mon
  • I'm glad you had a nice birthday and that's a verra interesting dragonfly tidbit! I'm jealous of your coming DSL, I still connect at dial-up, 24,000 bps - it's pathetic. (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 17:16:31 07/21/03 Mon
    • What a happy day Reenie!!! Maybe we will see you a bit more??! (NT) -- JeanClaire*at 49333 bps!!!-I've told DH if we got DSL I would actually be on here less time and not more!, 09:23:38 07/22/03 Tue
• Happy belated birthday Reenie! Glad you had a wonderful day. Sorry this is late! (NT) -- Lori, 21:39:47 07/21/03 Mon
  • Oooooooo weirdness! I got interrupted AGAIN while replying on the board. Those gremlins sure like me lately! Anyway, Happy Belated Birthday dear Reenie - glad you had a great day and sorry this is so late! (NT) -- Lori, 21:41:43 07/21/03 Mon
    • What's not to like Lori!! Looks like your posts came through tho!! (NT) -- JC*, 10:32:01 07/22/03 Tue
• How did I miss this before?!?! HAPPY BIRTHDAY REENIE!!!!! Glad you had a good day. When you get a fast computer, will we see you online more? Miss you! (NT) -- Lissa, 08:54:54 07/27/03 Sun

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• Not sure Lori, could you just write "dry party" or "soft drinks only "on the invite? (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:53:50 07/22/03 Tue
  • I like the 'soft drinks only' line on the invitation and Lori, I think it's terrific you're doing this for him! :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 14:41:25 07/22/03 Tue
• I too would put it on the invitation. You could make some inventive fruit cocktails instead. Thatīs fun! We did that once, and nobody missed alcohol. (NT) -- Martina, 07:00:38 07/22/03 Tue
• Which sounds better, "dry party" or "no alcoholic beverages, please"? I don't think you'd be embarrassing your friend by making it clear. He will stay away if there's any hint of booze, you said. (NT) -- Ron, 08:26:34 07/22/03 Tue
• Handling a Delicate Social Situation -- Kathie, 18:33:13 07/22/03 Tue
• Hey, Lori! I think just a note at the bottom of the invitation stating "non-alcoholic drinks only, please" should suffice. You could always find a yummuy punch mix and state on the invite that drinks will be provided. However, I agree with Kathie in that it will be awkward for him no matter what. He will have to learn to overcome the social aspect of it, or he'll end up back in rehab or worse. :( (NT) -- Ann, 20:43:27 07/22/03 Tue

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• You are too kind and very welcome my new friend. I hope they bring you and your chakras some peaceful happy thot's! (NT) -- L., 21:38:18 07/21/03 Mon
  • My sister loves hers!!! I gave her a bracelet last Christmas. She almost didn't get her present as I would have loved to keep it for myself. But she has skinnier wrists than I do. :)LOL!!! I should start dropping hints to my DH now in time for Dec! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 09:18:11 07/22/03 Tue

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• Wow, cool! Iīd be interested in all your book reviews! (NT) -- Martina, 04:27:45 07/17/03 Thu
• Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard...if Joseph was his father I would think that would mean Mary did the wild thing with her HUSBAND, I read that they had lots of kids after Jesus. Anyway, The dead sea scrolls book sounds way cool! I am reading the Archeology of the Bible,(old book) and they cant verify ANYTHING in the bible was true. Not Moses in Egypt, nor the cities he supposedly conquered in those 40 years...No Sampson and the temple, no David and the Philistines...they cant even verify the place names...but on TDC I have seen updated finds...like the Queen of Sheba, that was cool!and the Goddess Astarte they found her temple...anyway...there is NO proof that the bible was more than propaganda. (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:37:39 07/19/03 Sat
• Lissa, I've seen this book title but didn't realize what it was about. I will pick it up on my next shopping trip! I've got so many good ones I've picked up recently to read, I don't know how I'll keep up with it all. :) (NT) -- sw va Linda, 17:45:27 07/21/03 Mon

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• I've never tried them, Lori, but I'd be interested to hear if you have good luck with the one you ordered. I have heard of all kinds of subliminal tapes available. It's quite the science, really, matching brain wave frequencies and all. (NT) -- Lissa, 22:18:17 07/16/03 Wed
• I donīt know anybody. And I would never do something like that, because I am a control-freak and giving someone the control over my mind gives me the creeps. But I could imagine those things work. (NT) -- Martina, 13:11:47 07/17/03 Thu
  • I am not quite here these days.... you mean self-hypnoses! Bwahahahaha! Oh well, I should just go to bed now. (NT) -- Martina, 13:26:52 07/17/03 Thu
• COOL,this is one of the reasons why I want to learn hypnotherapy ...if it works for you can I borrow?? (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:39:03 07/19/03 Sat
• Oh wow, very interesting! Yes, please let us know how the tapes work! I wonder if they have any to get over a fear of the dentist? :) I too have used subliminal relaxation tapes (Steven Halpern) and they are fabulous. (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 17:13:51 07/21/03 Mon

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• Pray that the rain holds out until tomorrow at noon!!!(camp sleepover tonight!!) Here's to your car and hope that all is well. Give Melissa a hug the next time she's over. Maybe she can just come over and use your computer!!! And love to Chris's grandma. I'll try and catch you next week before you go!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 06:56:17 07/18/03 Fri
  • Hey JC!! I also forgot to mention that Melissa and I are going to chat a bit more about the NH games in Sept when she gets back....the family and I had been thinking about a day trip up but now Melissa would like to go. So I'm thinking one way or another I may make it to these games (prob only Saturday during the day)...are you coming up??? The games are 45mins to an hour away from me. (NT) -- Christine, 09:53:55 07/18/03 Fri
    • Its probably about 1-1/2 from you...add the 1/2 hour just to get to manchester....if you need any info my addy is below and we are having the dinner after the games and maybe a party at the hotel?? Have fun in NS, btw, found out DHs family is of the Bruce line and came from NS couldnt possible remember how to spell that name...M is all I can be sure of, but anyway there is a Bruce settlement there. SOMEDAY I am going to go up there!! Good vibes for the car! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:27:16 07/19/03 Sat
      • Musquodoboit Jeannine?? Well...Mapquest says the trip from my door to the games is 55 minutes...and we always find them to say things are farther away than they really are. they said almost 13 hours for the 11 it takes to get to NS just for one! :) I don't imagine we'll be staying for the supper for anything (I know this for sure if I come with the family). JC I thought you were going to be in NH for Aug...you're coming in Sept too??? Woo hoo. Thanks for the car vibes...apparently they didn't work though--$1800 to $2600, we'll see once the work is actually done. Dh has gotten 5 extra days off work...have no way to get there! We were going to rent him a car...then thought they might not let him have one with the cast and all. UGH UGH UGH (NT) -- Christine---I need a vaction from summer vacation already!, 15:50:26 07/20/03 Sun
        • YUP! Thats it ,now how do you pronounce it?? its 45 min from Derry and if you can get up there at all that would be awesome!! (NT) -- J, 00:16:11 07/21/03 Mon
          • As close as I can get to phonetically pronouncing it is...Mus-ca-dob-it . Does that make sense?? I was never 'hooked on phonics' *g* So many places in NS are hard for people who didn't gow up there...and even those of us who grew up there too! We used to play 'stump the American' with Chris when he first got there! *eg* Antigonish...Whycocomagh...and lots of others that I can't think of on Monday morning! :) (NT) -- C again, 08:52:18 07/21/03 Mon
            • You're up early C, did ya wet the bed???? Yup, we are doing NH in Aug. and Sept. First as a family vacation and then Sept. for my vacation sort of. I mentioned coming up alone and DH wouldn't hear of it. He suggested the two of us coming and I said let's bring the kids this time. They love festivals. Though it will be a long trip for them. (NT) -- JC*who actually slept in till 9 this am!!!!, 09:58:39 07/21/03 Mon
    • Oh, you 2 have to come up for the games. My honey and the kids will be there too so everyone else besides you can meet them!! I'll be at Jeannine's hotel for the weekend. What day are you leaving for NS?? (NT) -- JC*, 09:13:48 07/20/03 Sun

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• Well I have to agree with you on this one too. I have never had any astrological readings done on myself but know people who have. I have to wonder whether it's just another way of the Universe to show us things about our lives. Since I don't have any experience myself with this I would have to say I don't have a clue. I believe there are many influences in the Universe and this could very well be another one as we just don't know everything about everything. It's hard for me to understand how or why a planet or planets would block energies in your life to keep things from happening tho'. That does sound mean but then again, I used to not believe in alot of stuff that I've opened my mind to now. It just amazes me to think of the possibilities of how things would be if we were capable of using more of our little brains! Too overwhelming sometimes, that's for sure. (NT) -- Lori, 21:55:12 07/14/03 Mon
• Just thinking about all this stuff makes me wish that Viive was still around. She always had such wonderful and interesting insight on this stuff. Has anyone seen or heard from her at all?????? (NT) -- Lori, 21:57:34 07/14/03 Mon
  • nope except for the brief visit here recently...I miss her too! (NT) -- J, 00:37:05 07/15/03 Tue
• Hello! a friend of mine was going to school for astrology, but the school closed down! HA. she did my chart for me and I will have to re-read it to answer your question about advise. BUT I was always wondering why so many people in my life are either Pisces or Virgo...and even though I am a Leo, why I dont feel like one. My reading shows for me LOTS of Pisces and Virgo influence on me...and my #3DD is the exact opposite of those signs...personally I find it interesting, but I am not about to base my life on it, the same as horoscopes or psychics, but I think there maybe some insights there. (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:35:31 07/15/03 Tue
• Ellen (who was offline for awhile due to computer troubles and the baby keeps her busy) said astrology doesnīt influence anything, it is more like a map of your situation and basis you work from. Makes sense to me. (NT) -- Martina, 10:14:53 07/15/03 Tue
  • I like too. There was once a popular astrology guy on the radio---perhaps some remember him: the Cosmic Muffin-- who used to state at the end of each of his explanations that, "It is a wise man who is guided by the stars, but a Fool who is ruled by them." Perhaps astrology can be thought of as being like a weather forcast where you find out what kind of coat you should bring for the day. *G* (NT) -- Lissa, 22:10:27 07/16/03 Wed
    • Don't know what I hit on this computer but my message got sent before I could finish fixing it. argh. Improper english! I was wanting the first sentence to read, "I like Ellen's description, too." So there. (NT) -- Lissa, 22:13:31 07/16/03 Wed
    • I remember him!!! And the Big Mattress Charles Lacqudara!! He changed channels but I dont know what happened to the rest 104 BCN right??? (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:08:23 07/19/03 Sat

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• Next to WHAT is a soul comes the question whether everything has a soul, or only human beings, which seems a bit arrogant. But if everything has a soul, where does it go after the form has changed? Like what happens to the soul of a stone if it becomes ground into sand? Thatīs another one of those complicated concepts, haha. (NT) -- Martina, 04:10:27 07/14/03 Mon
• Hmmm, tough questions I'll have running through my mind while at Girl Scout camp!! I'll be gone all week and probably to tired to post but we'll see!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*or Tink at camp!!, 06:56:47 07/14/03 Mon
• Oooooooooo another good one Martina! I had this exact conversation with a good friend at lunch on Fri. I also believe that the soul and spirit are akin to each other and to me, basically the same. I like to think of everone AND everything (trees, rocks, or anything connected to the earth in some way) as having it's own energy. Now I have yet to come to a conclusion as to whether I think these same things all have a "soul" or not. I personally feel that a soul/spirit is a bit different than a specific energy and that you can have the energy without the soul maybe. Not sure yet. Verdict is still out on that one. I do believe however that this only applies to "earthly" things and not things we've created as a human race like plastic or synthetic objects. (NT) -- Lori, 21:46:15 07/14/03 Mon
• hhhmmm, no clue what the church says....I agree with Lori about the energy. I think only conscious beings have souls, human and certain animals that can recognise they are an individual like apes or dolphins, dogs/cats/horses. Spirit to me = ghost, or = soul. So any ghost would be a soul not gone to the light. Animals can send thoughts and may come to us as spirit, so thats why I think they have souls too. (NT) -- Jeannine, not very helpful, and we could ask WHERE is the soul. They used to say it was housed in the heart or the head., 00:46:08 07/15/03 Tue
• Ellen (who was offline for awhile due to computer troubles and the baby keeps her busy) said astrology doesnīt influence anything, it is more like a map of your situation and basis you work from. Makes sense to me. (NT) -- Martina, 10:02:55 07/15/03 Tue
  • umm... sorry that belongs to the subject above!*lol* I need holidays. (NT) -- Martina, 10:06:50 07/15/03 Tue
• I just got a new book and guess what?... I opened it up to a page where a discussion of this very thing takes place. It states that in the ancient world, the soul is an intermediary for the purely sensory and the purely spiritual. "For the ancients, the soul included aspects of the mortal body, mind, and emotions, as well as something transcending them. It was an intermediary reality between the physical and the spiritual." Is that a good answer for you? (NT) -- Lissa, 22:05:40 07/16/03 Wed
  • That makes sense, thanks. But how is it different from the "spirit"? (NT) -- Martina, 04:30:12 07/17/03 Thu
    • I was wondering if you would have trouble with the word intermediary. According to my dictionary, it means that it is something that acts between others to bring about an agreement. The spirit is the true spirit form and the soul is the form that helps to bring it into working with the physical body. Does that make better sense? So the soul has aspects of both pure spirit and the senses of the body. Perhaps it could be thought of as like an interpreter, a German who has lived in America and can explain more than just the meaning of words, but also the slang and the character of the people. I'm just thinking here.... what do you think? (NT) -- Lissa, 12:34:41 07/17/03 Thu
      • I think that is too high for me.*lol* I have to think about that, but have absolutely no time right now!*sigh* I will get back to it later, because I really WANT to understand it! (NT) -- martina, 13:18:39 07/17/03 Thu

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• Heavy duty question here. I am just catching up again on reading all the postings. Have been so busy at work and at home. I have a big exam on Sunday for school which is the exit exam for my Master' s degree in Oriental Medicine. Well, I will post my ideas inside since it will probably get long>>>>> -- Maria A., 10:53:25 07/09/03 Wed
  • I agree to all what you said. Everybody should follow their inner voice and feeling what is right for them. There is no plan or rule we all have to behave according to. As for the lack of discipline (thatīs what I call what you described*g*), I have that too! I am not much of a ritual person. I follow my feelings whenever I can (if life doesnīt force me to do something else), and if I am too tired for expercises of any kind I just canīt do them. Itīs torture for me having to do the same thing each day, like a robot. Bad enough that I have to go to work each morning.*lol* I am not feeling guilty for that or anything. Itīs just the way I am, and I stopped fighting it. (NT) -- Martina, 15:01:15 07/09/03 Wed
    • I forgot to say GOOD LUCK for your exam!!!!!!!! (NT) -- Martina, 15:02:21 07/09/03 Wed
• We are heading out the door on a family camping trip but I had to take a sec to reply to this>>> -- Brenda, 11:47:29 07/09/03 Wed
• I think that what we're doing here with our lives is predestined somehow. I think we're doing exactly what we're supposed to do in order to learn what we're supposed to in this life. I think there's a reason why there are bad people, good people, etc. & everything inbetween. Since I believe in past lives I think that you are different in each of those lives & you are to learn different lessons in each one. Similar to what Sylvia Brown talks about (we've had that conversation...). There has to be diversity in order to learn and grow as a human race. If everyone had the same purpose, how would we discover new things, create new ways of doing things etc.?? Would there be these great challenges that we face & learn from if everyone had the same purpose? Would there be say, humor (ever see Name of the Rose with Sean Connery - they all had the same basic purpose...) Excellent question & the best part is that everyone will have their own way of looking at it or answering it! ; ) (NT) -- Lori, 21:58:26 07/09/03 Wed
  • I agree with you, Lori. I do believe that we choose our lives to fit what we need to learn. This belief saves me from feeling bitter about some of the way my own life has unfolded. And I strongly believe that we find the path (if we look) that will lead us to the lessons we need. We do need diversity in this world. How would we grow if our beliefs went unchallenged? And The Name of the Rose is one of my all time favorite movies!!!! (NT) -- Betsy, 22:14:18 07/09/03 Wed
    • Maybe a better answer to your actual question, Jeannine, would be that I don't think we are all meant to pursue a life of austere Godliness. How would the human race even continue? One sect that I admire is the Shakers. A more God-like sect you will never find. They are celibate and can only increase their flock by attracting new members. Because there are almost NO new members, the sect has all but died out. And Holiness is found in the ordinary lives of those of us who chose more routine, day-to-day lives, as well. Personally, I feel close to the Creator when I am working in my flower gardens, aware that the Spirits of the flowers and wildlife are watching and are glad. *S* (NT) -- Betsy, 22:29:33 07/09/03 Wed
• I concur with Lori and Betsy, I guess. I believe that our spirits were all created for a certain purpose, which includes growth and learning. I believe, as well, that when we find the path we are supposed to be on, we are also on the path that Spirit/God wants us to be on. We are all a part of this Universe, and I believe we are all a part of the Creator. Suffering, self depravation and the like are not necessary for me, although maybe another spirit believe that that is the path they most follow. (NT) -- Ann, 19:55:37 07/10/03 Thu
• It is quite a coincidence that I am presently reading the third book in Jean Auel's Earth's Children series. Ayla is being told by many Mogurs that she has a special purpose in life. The Mogurs are the contacts with the Spirit World. Their ideas are very similar to what has been expressed above. (NT) -- Ron, 16:59:35 07/11/03 Fri
  • Thats true Ron, I remember! Happy reading, are you working up to the 5th one? Or did you already read it? Let me know when you get there, I would like to discuss them with you. (NT) -- J, 01:32:28 07/12/03 Sat
    • I read the fifth one a year ago but can't remember most of it, so I will be re-reading it soon. (NT) -- Ron, 06:50:52 07/12/03 Sat
• Thanks everyone! Yes, that is what I believe too, that we are predestined to an extent, and we all find God how we may. I guess I feel too, like B that it isnt natural to live a life where all you do all day/night is pray. The women in this book totally denied their physical body everything that would distract them from praying! And of course the author is the Prioritess of a Benedictian Monestary(sp) so she feels she is doing a good thing and is motivated by these women! and although I agree we should all do what we feel, I think its kind of ill to go to the extremes I read about. BTW, I didnt finish the book, very unlike me. (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:39:13 07/12/03 Sat

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• LOL - Yes, sometimes its not only funny how Universe work, its although a bit frightening, no? Especially if somebody gets hurt on the way! Anyhoo Jeannine I am happy for you. With the other thing for your DD I cannot help you, being childless and all *g* (NT) -- Andrea, 03:05:56 07/06/03 Sun
  • You`re Back!! How was it?? Yes it can be creepy! I just want to win the lottery, why cant that materialize?? (NT) -- J again, 03:27:22 07/06/03 Sun
    • It was wonderful J! Lots of sun, christal clear blue , mostly, warm water. Lovely people. Very hospitably (sp?). For your question with the lottery *vbg* I think it doesnt work (for me neither ;-) because we dont let the wish go. Its too important for us and we hold on and on and on. In German we say "We make too much of a head about it" meaning we think too much about it :-) (NT) -- Andrea, 03:34:24 07/06/03 Sun
• That's great Jeannine! This type of thing has happened to me before and I imagine the twilight zone music in the back of my head. lol. Seriously though, I've been in times of trouble (been there and done that with the negative bank account!) when it seemed there was no help in sight and I'd get a surprise check for some such or the other in the mail. It's a terrific feeling. :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 09:18:19 07/06/03 Sun
• Jeannine, maybe your coworker needed a break as well and now is forced to relax. One never knows. Now we'll see you here for a bit more too hmmm and I won't need your cell phone #!! Anyhoo, onto first menarche, haven't even thought of that in depth yet as Bets is only 8. I know of a woman who makes red devil cake for her daughters when they start but that is the extent of her celebration. So I went searching and found a couple of sites in here.... -- JeanClaire*, 10:19:53 07/06/03 Sun
  • THANK YOU Jeannie! You are so awesome! I didnt even think of doing a search for that kind of thing! The Universe is amazing, and FAST too, hahahahaha (NT) -- J, 00:15:37 07/07/03 Mon
    • I don't know that it was a universe thing!! Just me needing a cooking break yesterday along with having a good search engine;)!! (NT) -- JC*, 10:56:28 07/07/03 Mon
• I am so happy for you!!! The universe keeps doing things like that to me too. About the ceremony I canīt say much either, because we donīt do that here as far as I know. I tried with my DD but she didnīt want to hear anything about it. She hated getting the "stuff" each month and wasnīt in the mood to celebrate, hehe, poor thing. I talked with her anyway, and went for dinner with her. It turned out to be nice. (NT) -- Martina, 11:03:37 07/06/03 Sun
• Thanks again JC, I found lots of cool ideas for gifts...what kind of essential oils would be good for a thing like this or fragrance of incense? What other kinds of foods could be considered womens foods? chocolate, red devil cake, I will do some searches myself or go ask at LOL, they always have info! (NT) -- Jeannine, 02:26:28 07/07/03 Mon
  • I don't really like red devil cake...maybe it's the name or maybe it's that the recipe calls for a bottle of red food color and even though you only eat one little slice I don't like the idea of that much color. Why not just chocolate!!! I posted a bunch of stuff under your Kirk post but will repost here inside for anyone who wants to see>>>>> -- JeanClaire*, 10:54:41 07/07/03 Mon
    • So anything red, and I printed out just about everything at first moon....I will do the next one too, google came up with TONS of stuff, my local library failed though... (NT) -- Jeannine, 23:40:59 07/07/03 Mon
• It is my humble opinion, and that of my 19 year old dd, that if you want to avoid seriously embarrassing your girls that you might consider laying low on all the red. I suppose the point is that they would come to embrace the red, but celebrating by eating tomato sauce is a bit of a stretch in my mind. In fact, when I think of how my dds would have reacted if I told them we were eating all this red in their honor, they would have screamed and never wanted to eat red again. hahahahahaha But that's my kids, perhaps yours would be different. When my dds came of age, the approach that I took was to honor the idea of them being a woman. I gave each of them a necklace with special meaning for each of them. One was into runes at the time, so I chose a nice amulet for her. I believe the meaning was "mystery" and I explained the whole mystique of the cycles to her. The other dd screamed at me to shut up when I talked anything passed what you need to do. hahahaha (NT) -- Lissa, 21:47:55 07/09/03 Wed
  • One of them was excited by the idea, but said I dont want any rituals, ( I had them read the info I had found) I would just like a party and we could all wear red so she liked the idea of a RED party. The other was mortified that I would think to do this and said I dont want to yell to the world I started! I said why not? Its not something to be ashamed of, but to celebrate being a woman. She was totally against that and told me she didnt want to grow up but to stay a kid! She hoped she was 16 when she started....so, its a moot point until they start anyway, but I will at least have Lori make them the bracelets. (NT) -- J, 01:52:51 07/12/03 Sat

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• Have a great day, Dave and Keira! Enjoy yourselves! (NT) -- Ron, 09:01:02 07/03/03 Thu
• Happiest of days to you both!!! Hope you can manage a bit of time without kids around *wink wink*. (NT) -- Betsy (who knows ALL ABOUT the challenges of finding time with no kids around!!!), 15:06:48 07/03/03 Thu
• Happy Anniversary Keira and Dave. Keira see you soon! (NT) -- Aislinn, 18:51:12 07/03/03 Thu
• Have a very happy anniversary! (NT) -- Brenda, 22:53:22 07/03/03 Thu
• Happy anniversary!!!!! Hope you enjoy your day!!!!!! (NT) -- Antje, 04:23:25 07/04/03 Fri
• Happy anniversary Keira!!!!!!!! Have fun and remember the old romantic days.*winks* (NT) -- Martina, 07:43:47 07/04/03 Fri
• Have a Happy! Love to you both!! (NT) -- Hugs, Jeannine, 01:37:30 07/05/03 Sat
• Thank you sooo very much for all the wonderful wishes. I'm off to work a 12-hour shift today but Dave and I may just find time this evening for a wee celebration. Come inside>>>>>>> -- Keira, 07:19:32 07/05/03 Sat
  • That song says loads! Did you have a wedding song? Our's was a compromise, he wanted a song by Heatwave and I thought we should do a more classic one and we did with What a Wonderful World. We will celebrate 10 years of wonderful-ness in Oct. (NT) -- JC*, 09:47:50 07/05/03 Sat
• Hope you guys have a wonderful anniversary day and that you find some "quiet time together" *wink wink* (NT) -- Lori, 12:11:08 07/05/03 Sat
• Happy Anniversary dear Keira, have a great 'honeymoon' day :-) (NT) -- Isabelle, 19:20:26 07/05/03 Sat
• I'm a bit late, but I hope you HAD a wonderful and very special day for you Keira and Dave :-) (NT) -- Andrea, 03:35:44 07/06/03 Sun
  • *Hugs* to both of you - sorry I'm so late..thinking of you Keira. (NT) -- Viive..with love, 02:54:40 07/10/03 Thu
    • Thanks again, everyone!!!!!! VIIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been thinking about you so often lately, me thinks a phone call is in order!!!! Hello to Rob, Tiina and Marika!!! (NT) -- Keira, 08:59:56 07/10/03 Thu

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• Please be sure to remind us! And not on Dec. 31, 2004! (NT) -- Ron, 21:45:14 07/07/03 Mon
  • Hey Ron, how about once a month;)!! (NT) -- JC*, 07:33:17 07/08/03 Tue
• OH! sounds like a plan! :oD and great fun! Can we do one for me too? Aug 5th 2004? Its a wed but we could do the weekend after? Should we start a tradition?? I have a few books too J, about rituals etc....none with what I wanted but you maybe interested (NT) -- Jeannine, who is into ritual celebrating these days!!, 23:36:10 07/07/03 Mon
  • Sure Jeannine! The weekend after is open for me!! Well I'm sure I don't need a menopause ceremony yet!! But there must be something we that will work. (NT) -- JC*, 07:35:42 07/08/03 Tue
    • NO not menopause, but goddess driven, and there are a bazillion goddesses to choose from! We could also do a mother ceremony..you know the 2nd aspect of the Celtic goddess. LORI, ideas on jewelry for this one?? (NT) -- Jeannine, 04:49:47 07/09/03 Wed
      • I was very much kidding about menopause!!! Just when I was doing the search for your girls I did get some sites on menopause ceremonies as well. (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 11:27:05 07/09/03 Wed
• This would be SO much fun JeanClaire. I turn 40 the same year as you...not until August though. I haven't yet thought of what I am going to do. My DH will turn 40 a month after me, so I am guessing I am going to be the target for a few "older woman" jokes for a month. (NT) -- Brenda, 01:51:48 07/08/03 Tue
  • I am always the target of old lady jokes since I am 2 1/2 years older than my DH. I just tell him I am getting better like fine wine! (NT) -- JC*, 07:37:07 07/08/03 Tue
  • Lucky girl, I am younger than JS and hear those all the time, hehehe. (NT) -- Martina, 10:14:50 07/08/03 Tue
• Oooooooooooooo count me in! I'm big into any Goddess celebration. I really understand the "age" jokes. Vern is 12 years younger than me (yes, I know, I robbed the cradle - what can I say). It's been the longest relationship I've ever had tho' and what's age anyway. Just a number! (NT) -- Lori, 21:35:02 07/09/03 Wed
• I'll be there. Lets party!!!!! (NT) -- Betsy, 22:03:48 07/09/03 Wed

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• Happy Birthday Andrea. Have a wonderful day. I hope your bank problem gets straightened up quickly and have a wonderful time on your trip. (NT) -- Colly, 11:13:13 06/24/03 Tue
• Happy Birthday Andrea, wishing you many happy more! (NT) -- Maria A., 16:22:28 06/24/03 Tue
• Happy Birthday, Andrea! Have a great time! (NT) -- Ron, 16:59:17 06/24/03 Tue
• Happy Birthday Andrea! (NT) -- Aislinn, 00:05:46 06/25/03 Wed
• HERZLICHEN GLÜCKWUNSCH, Andrea!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you will have a nice day, see ya soon! (NT) -- Martina, 06:53:09 06/25/03 Wed
• Herzlichen Glückwunsch!!! Viel Spass in Griechenland!!! :-) (NT) -- Antje, 08:16:51 06/25/03 Wed
• Happy Birthday Andrea!! Hope you have a great time (even tho' I don't know where you're going, have fun anyway *wink*)!! (NT) -- Lori, 18:17:27 06/25/03 Wed
• *doing my Happy Birthday dance for you* Hope your day is/was wonderful, Andrea, and full of magic and fun. (NT) -- Betsy, 19:20:36 06/25/03 Wed
• Happy Birthday Andrea! Hope it was a good one. (NT) -- Brenda, 01:26:22 06/26/03 Thu
• Thank you very much for all the nice birthday wishes :-). Lori, I'm going to Corfu Greece and it'll be TOMORROW!!! Wooohooohoooooooooooooooo ;-) (NT) -- Andrea, 04:57:58 06/26/03 Thu
  • Ohhhhhhhh, how nice!! Don't think I need to say have a nice trip!!!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 07:17:34 06/26/03 Thu
• Oh Andrea, this wee angel looks just like you!!! hehehe By the time you read this, you will have returned from your trip to amazing Corfu. Hope it was a wonderful trip for you. What a nice birthday present to give to yourself. (NT) -- Lissa, 08:31:59 06/26/03 Thu
  • Just wondering who had too much Ouzo here ;-)))) (NT) -- Andrea, 03:54:17 07/07/03 Mon
• AH! More reason to have More ouzo!! Have one from me! Happy Birthday a wee bit late!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 05:23:06 06/28/03 Sat

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• Inside, I got REALLY long >>> -- Brenda, 13:36:01 07/05/03 Sat
  • I did a reboot and all is well now!! Life does throw us curve ballsHUH? I am glad you are who you are and though not glad you had to go through all that, glad that you came out stronger!! (NT) -- J, 03:30:04 07/06/03 Sun
• I would agree that life-changing events make you think more about these things. Meeting the right people do too. I was so lost before I found this board. Always questioning everything changing my mind about things. Being in a group where you're comfortable, where everyone doesn't judge you can really be a big thing. The biggest turning point for me was when I was going through the grieving process after both my parents died only a year apart. I had my first encounter with an angel they had sent me to make sure I was OK. Boy was that an eye opener. I'm convinced that just about anything is possible. We use so very little of our brains. How can people say "it's not possible" when we are still so underdeveloped as beings? I'm just a real advocate of doing what seems comfortable for yourself as long as it hurts nobody else. Besides, just think how boring life would be if everyone was all the same... (NT) -- Lori, 22:43:19 07/05/03 Sat
• This computer is wacky tonight, it wouldnt let me read anything "inside". So Brenda I am NOT ignoring you! I agree wholeheartedly Lori!! I think this board has been a life changing influence on me too. Lissa has always been there to explain/remind things to me. I too saw an angel when I was down and worried, and after that warm glow and felt that moment of peace, the troubles of this world seemed so small and petty. I was shown a great thing! I try to remember that when life gets me down!!! I used to ask many questions..and I never heard the answers that suited(sp?) me. I know now to find them all around me, and to listen.I think humans are constantly growing and learning!! At leaset most people are!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:33:48 07/06/03 Sun
• Hmm, I'm not quite sure if "a persons belief system is always subtly changing and developing". I get too wordy, please come inside *g*>>>>>>>>> -- Andrea, 03:30:51 07/06/03 Sun
• Oh Brenda, I am so glad someone else posted a question! I am truly in hectic these days. My comment to the question inside>>>> -- Martina, 10:07:22 07/06/03 Sun

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• I must say I tried several of them but canīt really say they helped me. I can feel their power in my hands though (like throbbing) or on my chakras (getting hot). But if they really influence me in some way I canīt say. (NT) -- Martina, 05:48:01 06/30/03 Mon
• I started wearing peridot when I knew I was going to have a very stressful work day (peridot is supposed to be calming). I am thinking that they do work as I remained cool and collected through the day. It is hard to say, though, how much is the stones and how much is the power of positive thinking or just a placebo effect kind of thing. (NT) -- Brenda, 15:49:17 06/30/03 Mon
• Absolutely! I started doing research on gemstone therapy for my customers last year. What I do is pick the stones that have the right energies for that particular ailment or body part & also according to my conversations with the customer about their thot's behind their ailments & what they expect for results. Then I cleanse the stones in spring water & set them out to dry in the sun if possible. Then I put them in pure sea salt to cleanse them more & to remove any residual energies. After making up the piece, I perform a ritual asking Universe & the Angels to infuse the piece with their love & healing. Then I smudge it with white sage to give it a final cleansing. My customers have been more than happy and suprised to find that this actually does work. Whether it's the stones or the interaction with Universe & the Angels I can't say. I use stones/crystals on a daily basis & truly believe they have their own energies that work with our own energies! (NT) -- Lori, 20:35:03 06/30/03 Mon
  • Lori, very interesting! What kind of business do you run? I've always been interested in gem therapy but haven't taken the time to read up on it yet. (NT) -- sw va Linda, 11:56:59 07/01/03 Tue
    • Linda, go check out Lori's website here: http://www.rockfaery.com/Welcome.html She has some special things on there you just have to see for yourself. Lori's done a couple of special things for me--a bracelet for a friend last year with a high risk pregnancy. Did I ever tell you Lori she had a girl, 9 months old now I think and Mom, babe and the rest of the family are doing just fine!! (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 09:41:53 07/02/03 Wed
      • Oh wow, I am checking it out now, very cool! Thanks so much for the link. :) :) :) Lori, I think you will have an order from me very soon, budget willing. lol . :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 15:04:19 07/02/03 Wed
• I must concur with Lori -- I absolutely believe in the powers of stones. Like a pregnant woman will crave a food that has something in it that her body needs, I've found myself obessing over certain tyes of stones at certain times. While writing, I became obessed with Citrine, and when we started our house buying experence, I became obessed with coral. And, while focused on the Egyptian period of my novel, it was Carnelian, etc... Rocks rule! And I call Lori the High Priestess of stones. (NT) -- Ann, 20:46:06 06/30/03 Mon
  • Hey Ann, I too become obsessed with stones at different times, but I never thought of it before that I might be in need of them!! I was into rose quartz for a bit, and my zodic stone is jasper, so I was into that, lately it was moon stone, and now green ones, I think I have a malachite? on my key ring that the DDs bought for me, its a worry stone, I love it! (NT) -- Jeannine, 01:46:45 07/05/03 Sat
• Stones are very interesting to me, but I have not used them much because I just don't know enough about them and how to use them. Some day when I have more time on my hands I will do a little delving. (NT) -- Maria A., 22:56:57 06/30/03 Mon
• Thanks you guys! I new she had the baby, JC but I didn't know what it was. Glad to know everyone is doing well. Now if I could only come up with some stones that would keep my hair from turning white - I'm literally keeping Clairol in business single handedly I swear! Hahahahahahahahahaha (NT) -- Lori, 17:50:28 07/02/03 Wed
  • Hey Lori, I found my first grey one a few weeks ago! I'm still kind of amused by it. But then after going to my gyn appt the other day I feel really old. It seemed like every time the nurse asked me about something she refered to me as if to say women of a certain age. After a while I really wanted to say "I AM ONLY 38!!!!!!" (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 22:20:34 07/02/03 Wed
• Hahahahahahaha I know exactly what you mean. My doc is not so subdued in her responses. She just comes out and says, well you are middle aged now and women your age experience things like this, it's perfectly normal! Well thanks a bunch lady! I know all that but I don't need to hear it every year. I gave in and went to have my hair done at a salon today as my big treat. One nosy lady told me I should consider cutting it because I was "at the age where women just don't wear hair that long past their shoulders". Well screw her! I'm not ready to give up my long hair. Brother! Who put these people on the fashion police force anyway. Having 75% white/gray hair at almost 45 just sucks the big one *sigh* but it runs in the family so what are ya gonna do... (NT) -- Lori, 22:03:35 07/05/03 Sat
  • Fashion police, lmao!! I'm 34 and have white hairs that have gotten into my bangs area. I've been using a very subtle coloring system (not permanent) for a year or so now. I think I may be one of those that goes gray or white early. Oh well! (NT) -- sw va Linda, 09:21:22 07/06/03 Sun
  • I actually see more and more women over 40 with long hair, and I like it very much. I am a case for the fashion police as well, wearing my hair still long. I donīt care! As long as I like my mirror reflection.*lol* (NT) -- Martina (43), 09:40:16 07/06/03 Sun

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• Wow, give her my congrats! Thatīs really something to be proud of. I love it when the kids make us proud, when most of the time they make us repeat everything they should do.*g* (NT) -- Martina, 09:22:11 06/29/03 Sun
• Great job to the little lassie! :) :) You must have been so proud to watching her dancing. What fun, I hope I can make a highland games this fall. :) (NT) -- Linda in sw va, 16:29:47 06/29/03 Sun
• Good for your DD! (NT) -- Ron, 23:17:11 06/29/03 Sun
• ahhh, that`s so wonderful, and don`t they look just the angels when they are asleep?! Congrats Rayna!! Nice peptalk too! (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:52:12 06/30/03 Mon
• Is there anything more fulfilling than watching your child try and succeed? Good job to you both!!! (NT) -- Betsy, 03:02:45 06/30/03 Mon
• How cool is that!! Way to go Mom! Ya got pictures?? (NT) -- JeanClaire*, 09:02:25 06/30/03 Mon
  • I uploaded about 4 pics under "Photos Three" on pages 6 and 7. (NT) -- Brenda, 15:55:12 06/30/03 Mon
    • Oh Brenda!! She is a cutie!!! Great job on her outfit too! When's her next competition???? (NT) -- JC*, 17:43:29 06/30/03 Mon
      • Thanks JeanClaire. Her next competition is not until the fall...no formal practices in the summer....just her own practicing at home. (NT) -- Brenda, 18:10:08 06/30/03 Mon
        • I saw the pics last night! Totally awesome!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 00:37:38 07/06/03 Sun

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• HAPPY BIRTHDAY Melissa!!!!!!!!! Have a great day! (NT) -- Martina, 14:28:18 06/27/03 Fri
• Happy Birthday a day early!! I'll be down in Iowa for the weekend and my sisters birthday is also tomorrow! Hope you have a great one! (NT) -- Lori, 16:06:26 06/27/03 Fri
• Yay Melissa! happy Birthday to you! have a great day! (NT) -- Ron, 16:43:04 06/27/03 Fri
• Happy Happy Birthday! Hope to catch you up one of these days!! Have a super day!! (NT) -- Jeannine, 05:13:43 06/28/03 Sat
• Ah my Melisha, how I wish I could greet you in person! Be that as it may, I instead must use the facilities of the world wide web to say that I do indeed hope that you have a very wonderful birthday. (NT) -- Sean (who else?), 09:32:25 06/28/03 Sat
• Have the Happiest Day Melissa!. It's your day all the way! (NT) -- Maria A., 18:39:25 06/28/03 Sat
• Oh Booo...I'm late again. Well, Melissa, I hope it was fun. And Happiest of Belated Birthdays to you!! (NT) -- Betsy, 03:05:03 06/30/03 Mon
• Oh Melissa, I'm often wondering how you've been ? Have a great birthday (NT) -- Isabelle, 19:22:36 07/05/03 Sat

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