I need to read up on this, because although they might be correct in saying in saying that the new balls could worse, as force = mass x acceleration..it doesn’t negate the fact that players don’t get knocked out by the ball like they used too. Are they saying it’s more to do with repetition, as I find it very hard to believe that new balls hit harder. A lobbed ball will rely more on gravity for its downward force, which would be affected more by weight , than aerodynamics -- SW6.doc

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Date Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 02:57:30pm
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Subject: I need to read up on this, because although they might be correct in saying in saying that the new balls could worse, as force = mass x acceleration..it doesn’t negate the fact that players don’t get knocked out by the ball like they used too. Are they saying it’s more to do with repetition, as I find it very hard to believe that new balls hit harder. A lobbed ball will rely more on gravity for its downward force, which would be affected more by weight , than aerodynamics
In reply to: f bloke 's message, "It is worth searching the Glasgow university research on this - the research is somewhat damning. They need more data but all the indications are that the weight of the ball makes no difference since the balls are now more aerodynamic and travel at far greater velocity than the old balls. If anything, the suspicion is that the new balls may cause more damage. What would be worth trialling is banning all headers outside of the penalty boxes." on Tuesday, December 10, 01:46:31pm

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i seem to recall that they did a test soaking old style balls and modern balls in water and the difference in weight wasn't as much as they had predicted - and that the velocity gap was greater than the weight gap - the modern balls still can hurt when you head them as I found out when I helped out in my sons football training about 10 years ago. (NT) -- f bloke, Tuesday, December 10, 03:07:26pm (host86-134-9-66.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.66)
- There’s so many variables for this. Did they use a machine to test this, or did they do it using humans. And if it were humans did they use old and new boots, as older boots, although heavier and slower, would give the ball more force upon impact, than the new light weight boots. (NT) -- Hg, Tuesday, December 10, 03:16:01pm (NoHost/31.94.34.15)
  - I can't answer your questions re methodology and it may be that some of the findings can be challenged - but as said above, don't think the findings can be dismissed out of hand . In terms of boots - again I dunno but when I was growing up it was mainly the likes of Bobby C and Peter Lorimer who would regularly score from o/s the box - it seems to me that goals from distance much more commonplace now. - but that could be dodgy memory anecdotal evidence on my part. (NT) -- f bloke, Tuesday, December 10, 03:23:54pm (host86-134-9-66.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.66)
    - I’m disputing that heading a ball can make you more susceptible to dementia. Just find it really hard that the new balls can t you with as much force. Those old balls in the wet were like medics balls. (NT) -- Hg, Tuesday, December 10, 03:52:39pm (NoHost/31.94.34.14)
      - Sorry phone playing up. I’m not disputing, that should read. (NT) -- Hg, Tuesday, December 10, 03:55:08pm (NoHost/31.94.34.14)
Well just lernt something new. The old balls weigh exactly that same as a new does, when DRY. I’m sure as most of us who are a certain age will know, the differ massive when wet. (NT) -- Hg, Tuesday, December 10, 03:09:30pm (NoHost/31.94.34.14)
- I’ve heard nothing about boxing being banned. (NT) -- K, Tuesday, December 10, 03:15:36pm (NoHost/37.72.155.225)
- No - the tests involved soaking for some time - both the old and modern balls. Also the modern balls still can hurt when headed - it is just a question of whether the difference (if any) is sufficient to say what was once a problem is no longer a problem. The study is suggesting that it is still a problem. (NT) -- f bloke, Tuesday, December 10, 03:28:43pm (host86-134-9-66.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.66)

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