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• Name a better centre half than Anderson that you can get for 30 million that is premier league ready and has played in the division?. 30 million is a standard price now I know it is crazy money but is equivalent to 8 - 10 million 10 years ago (NT) -- Button, Monday, February 24, 02:59:48pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
  • why do they have to have played in the prem? Why aren’t we signing lacroix, riskier, but with higher reward. Why not huijsen? 19 and started 19 games for Bournemouth this season. Or zabayarni, played almost every game since last season. All cost loads less and have far higher ceilings than Anderson. We didn’t need someone to start from game 1, we have diop, even if it takes them a few months we had opportunity to aim higher, not play it safe and spend 1/3 our budget on a known quantity. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, February 24, 03:11:38pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
    • Do we have any scouts and people heading our recruitment to 'make' an assessement on players ability to adapt to the PL? (NT) -- cuencas mate, Monday, February 24, 03:17:40pm (NoHost/195.3.220.76)

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• The last two summers we have lost our best/most influential player, and Tosin was more or less a weekly starter. You can see why the emphasis was on signing established replacements at important positions. I also think part of our transfer strategy has been buying undervalued Prem level players (i.e. players at the big clubs who aren't getting games). However, I too would like to see a more forward-looking approach, and/or an opportunity for Academy players to emerge (NT) -- Jungle J, Monday, February 24, 03:28:09pm (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
  • Nature of the beast as mid prem team- palace/olise, b.ford/toney, b.mouth/solanke etc. it’s then where you reinvest that money. I’d just rather not think, who’s best for right now, but look at where a player can get to and how that would then help move the club even further up and financially to reinvest when they’re eventually sold. Loved our transfers last 4-5 years, just thought last summer we could have evolved rather than stick to the tried & tested, hopefully this summer we will. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, February 24, 03:46:29pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
  • Agree. For two years I've been banging the Diop drum. But that doesn't negate the need for two quality players per position or that Diop does not provide what Tosin did vs the high-press. The Andersen problem is that we always play him ahead of Diop, whereas they are horses-for-courses to me. I'd also like to get younger, but can't deny the effectiveness of the current strategy. Dreaming of LaCroix is the same as all the endless dreaming of Gyorkes; neither here nor there. (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, February 24, 03:58:51pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
    • It’s not dreaming about a player, I’ve just used that as we just played palace, could have easily used huijsen or Murillo as other examples. The point is Anderson will take us so far and won’t ever generate a profit to reinvest, we could have been more ambitious in the summer, taken more of a risk, there are an endless supply of these gems, I’d like us to pivot towards them rather than discount them for not being the age/prem experience profile we want. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, February 24, 04:16:54pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)

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• Good question, do we have any creditable scouts? it seems not. Is Talbot &Son still on the books? if so they aren't doing their job properly. Palace aren't afraid to sign players from the Championship, Eze, Olise , Hughes and the guy bought this t/w from Millwall. If they can find the talent why can't we.? I'm sure they have the same money restrictions as we do, but we are still suffering from the incompetent business of our earlier promotions, which has been a millstone around our necks. (NT) -- MWKent, Monday, February 24, 03:44:54pm (host-92-18-220-88.as13285.net/92.18.220.88)
  • Lukic, Palhinha and Bassey indicate that we do have the ability to find gems from outside England. But buying Premiership players at a discount because of their perceived flaws and because all the money is going to younger players is absolutely a viable strategy, particularly because others aren't doing it. Would need to hear from SOS on this, but I'd put money on us having close to balanced accounts at present using this strategy. So if the goal is sustainability, maybe we've achieved it? (NT) -- eganonoa, Monday, February 24, 04:04:29pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
    • Bit more detail explanation inside for word count purposes, but my expectation is 'improved, within PSR, but still operating at a loss.' -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, February 25, 08:58:07am (NoHost/90.241.80.71)
      • The reality is every signing has to be viewed through the prism of PSR, not just how good they are right now and for me Anderson wasn’t the right player. Even if he’d come in and been brilliant, I’d say he’s done ok at best, then we are using up so much room on one player (bet he’s on big wages too), when we had a good one to start in that position already. Wages are a huge issue to with new rules, can’t afford too many around the 60-80k bracket which I reckon Anderson falls in. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, February 25, 09:55:39am (82-132-222-141.dab.02.net/82.132.222.141)
        • He's on a base rate of 90k, apparently. You won't find any disagreement from me on much of that - i've never quite been so positive of Andersen as many - and i completely agree about his cost vs the uplift to the squad he has brought. The fact that he's essentially a sunk cost of £11m per year until 2029 with little or no chance of recouping any of that, concerns me and feels a bit more akin to the 18/19 type signings strategically, than the cleverer way we've been doing things of late. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, February 25, 10:21:53am (NoHost/90.241.80.71)
          • Yes I agree and I think it’s more a silva led signing. As a financial and business decision, it has very little merit, I think it shows he does have a big say in transfers and (stick my tin hat on here) that isn’t always a good thing. We had been on a really smart and productive strategy, like you say, this didn’t marry that path, what the manager wants for here and now if yeh isn’t what’s best for the club. Hopefully it’s not a pre curser to the type we target this summer. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, February 25, 01:31:16pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
      • Thank you. That's a perfect description of the strategy in my opinion. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, February 25, 02:14:11pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  • There aren’t any ‘secret’ players now, mainly as nearly everyone follows a data driven approach. Its not we don’t know about these players, its they don’t fit with our current strategy, which is my (small) gripe, we could be more ambitious and forward thinking. We’ve shown with Robbo, tosin, palhina etc we are happy to look outside what we do now, I’d just like us to pivot a bit more towards those types rather than what our strategy targets now. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, February 24, 04:11:42pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
  • The last press releases from our club, 2017, announced Talbot senior was appointed chief scout and assistant DOF. Following That elevation he employed his son in the role of Senior European Scout. 7 or 8 years later what are they doing now? Indeed what have they ever done…. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Monday, February 24, 04:15:52pm (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
    • We don't know. They could be crucial recruiters, no longer at the club or people who provide scouting assessments for others. My gut feeling has always been that we sign the players we CAN and often that's an agent ( sorry intermediary) led process. We're told someone is gettable and would come and then Marco and TK decide yes or no. Those intermediaries will have been informed of the type of player we think we need. Just my guess - could be bollox. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Monday, February 24, 04:36:00pm (238.75.189.80.dyn.plus.net/80.189.75.238)

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• The powers that be were desperate to get in Andre’ currently holding together the midfield of the 4th team from bottom Wolves ,We were going to pay much more than wolves paid . When the deal fell through we had money that ‘needed spending ‘ to provide the emoluments not available from buying Andre’ . (NT) -- alanos, Monday, February 24, 06:18:04pm (82-132-215-124.dab.02.net/82.132.215.124)
  • Just read an article on him about how he was wolves best player last weekend and is becoming rheir linchpin in midfield. Also goes on to say how he is really good at sniffing out danger and receiving ball of back 4 and linking the play to the attackers. He was always going to take some time to adapt, like muniz, Brazilian football is so different; but I reckon he’ll become a really good player in this league and for 18m bit of a steal given his age. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, February 25, 08:20:51am (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
    • Cunha seems to have adapted ok (NT) -- Bad Boy, Tuesday, February 25, 08:49:48am (NoHost/2.222.160.125)
      • Class player, if you’re picking a combined us/wolves XI he’s first pick. Think people are underestimating this next game, they’re good, far better stats wise than league position suggests, tend to make big errors leading to goals, but generally a good team. If we get 3 it’s not a bad result at all to take 3 points out of the last 2 games. Another team that play 3 at the back though, be interesting to see how we cope with it this time, although their CBs aren’t a patch on palace’s. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, February 25, 09:59:59am (82-132-222-141.dab.02.net/82.132.222.141)
  • Perhaps the sale of Muniz to Spurs last january was part of the deal you are describing ??? (NT) -- GTS, Tuesday, February 25, 08:59:40am (static-customer-assignment.goskope.com/24.206.97.74)

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• We are a handful of points off champions league so to say he has made no difference is a bit odd, Tosin was a disaster most of the time and lets face it Diop always has an error in him. Dont forget you have lost 150 tackles in front of the defence (NT) -- Waterboy, Tuesday, February 25, 11:18:19am (NoHost/90.241.99.11)