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• Would love to show them the all time premier league table where we will be sitting comfortably with no sigh of Sheff Wed anywhere! (NT) -- Waterboy, Monday, March 03, 08:24:34am (NoHost/90.241.99.11)

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• The decline of football? But football's bigger than it's ever been isn't it? Seems to be a Northern club-bias here, and a suspicion of all things southern. Probably written by someone who's never left the north and only knows Leeds and Sheff Wed fans. I've never worn brown brogues in my life and on the odd occasion I wear a scarf I don't tie a knot in it. (NT) -- k, Monday, March 03, 09:28:20am (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
  • Sheff Wed have been out of the top flight for years because they have been really bad at football for a long time, and have employed sub-standard footballers. Sheffield probably blames southerners for the decline of its steel industry (even though they had nothing to do with it) and I suspect is a city consumed by an impotent rage that manifests itself in terrace aggression - some people still interpret over-emotional infantilism on the terraces as the hallmarks of a 'big club'. Fascinating! (NT) -- k, Monday, March 03, 09:30:39am (NoHost/90.213.242.75)

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• Whats a middle class scarf knot? Asking for a friend (NT) -- Carter, Monday, March 03, 09:41:20am (NoHost/79.173.173.66)

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• Fanzines are often tongue in cheek.Perhaps taking the piss out of the juvenile stereotype.Probably not though.Have genuinely never known a middle class Fulham supporter. (NT) -- PovertyKidHemel, Monday, March 03, 10:13:34am (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
  • Don't leave your tongue in there too long Rog - you might bite it. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Monday, March 03, 02:26:00pm (cpc95104-newt39-2-0-cust313.19-3.cable.virginm.net/77.101.245.58)

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• Man Utd does seem to have a lot of fans who are these catty types who got into them because they felt a physical attraction to Cristiano Ronaldo and who have little knowledge of football history. It always seems esecially ignorant I think to lump Fulham with Brighton and Bournemouth. Fulham are a big city club with a much more distinguished history than either of those provincial outfits... (NT) -- k, Monday, March 03, 10:21:54am (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
  • but you're showing the same sneering smug superiority that you dislike when fans of bigger clubs do it to us. Personally I like the fact that well run middling clubs are now bloodying the noses of the bigger clubs on a more regular basis. just pleased that we are one of them. (NT) -- f bloke, Monday, March 03, 10:38:05am (host86-134-9-56.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.56)
    • The fact is we do have a more distinguished history than those two clubs. Don't you accept facts? (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, March 03, 11:59:18am (host86-149-115-76.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.115.76)
      • But our history is hardly distinguihed and Brighton have been in as many FA cup finals as us - and more recently. Just don't accept that there should be a pecking order of sneering and that a club's size or history should be of any partiular relevance in the present- feel free to think otherwise and if you do, that's fine but then don't get upset with patronising/sneering comments about us from fans of bigger clubs (NT) -- f bloke, Monday, March 03, 12:13:01pm (host86-134-9-56.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.56)
        • Sorry, but on what basis do you get that I am sneering or think there is a pecking order of clubs. Read what I said again. You can't make assumptions like you have. (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, March 03, 12:37:53pm (host86-149-115-76.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.115.76)
          • I was responding to a previous post which claimed we are a big city club with a more distuinguished history than other 'provincial' clubs like Brighton - I found the tone and tenor sneering and dismissive and trying to place Fulham in a particular hierarchy above the likes of Brighton. ie us doing to Brighton/Bournemouth what fans of clubs bigger than us do to us - that is my only point. (NT) -- f bloke, Monday, March 03, 01:01:52pm (host86-134-9-56.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.56)
            • How many European finals have Brighton/Bournemouth appeared in? In fact, how many times have they even played in Europe. People who lump Fulham with Brighton and Bournemouth have not watched football for very long. Permanent fixture in the top flight in the 1960s, an England captain, first £100 per week footballer, player in England's only world cup winning team... (NT) -- k, Monday, March 03, 01:25:25pm (NoHost/90.213.242.75)
            • I agree, don’t like it when teams like Utd look down their nose at us, to then proceed to look down our nose at a b.mouth/BHA is tad hypocritical. BHA & B.mouth are great success of well run clubs who play positive football, like us. Don’t know why people get upset by it, 90% of the audience yesteday would have wanted Utd to win and far more interest in them, that’s just how it is, tv will play to its audience. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, March 03, 01:28:44pm (82-132-221-64.dab.02.net/82.132.221.64)
              • Are you sure? 90% of the TV audience or at Old Trafford? (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, March 03, 01:40:12pm (host86-149-115-76.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.115.76)
                • I think its a fair assumption that probably the only fans who would have wanted United to win yesterday would have been United fans, and maybe some brentford/rangers etc. The vast majority of other big fanbases (Liverpool/Arsenal etc) would have wanted us to win. So yes, i think an assertion of 90% of the viewers wanting them to win is completely about face. I just think they like to pander to the big clubs. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Monday, March 03, 02:30:26pm (NoHost/90.241.80.71)
                  • I guess it is a question of whether the number of the [100m?] Utd global fan base would represent 90% of the total viewing audience. My guess it would be a significant proportion but not close to 90%. Agree, most neutrals would be ABU (NT) -- f bloke, Monday, March 03, 02:50:09pm (host86-134-9-56.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.56)
                  • What I’m trying to say is, majority watching will be from a Utd view, (ars/liv fans don’t care about FFC analysis), they’re top 3 supported club in the world. TV companies will cover that view more because more people are interested in it. Sky sports is plastered with Utd stuff, talksport etc rhe same. That’s not pandering, they make money via clicks/listeners, that’s how they get more viewers, by talking about the team more are interested in, it’s not to P1ss off little old Fulham. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, March 03, 03:45:37pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
            • But we are a big city club and the other two mentioned are provincial. They are facts. People can choose to interpret them as meaning something bigger or better. Most people don't. We can have a debate about what distinguished means. Lots of clubs in EFL have more distinguished histories than Fulham but I do think it fair it say Fulham has a more distinguished history than Brighton and definitely Bournemouth. That's not sneering. (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, March 03, 01:37:23pm (host86-149-115-76.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.115.76)
              • But what was the purpose in making the point if not to draw some distinction/ establish some form of hierarchy /historical pecking order? And talking about our respective levels of distinction smacks a little of 2 bald men fighting over a comb. A few yrs ago QPR fans were big on claiming they were a bigger club than us – who cares – neither of us are big historically. I like the fact that more clubs of our historic size are starting to challenge the natural order of things. (NT) -- f bloke, Monday, March 03, 02:42:53pm (host86-134-9-56.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.56)
                • So there is a natural order of things in football? (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, March 03, 03:18:21pm (host86-149-115-76.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.115.76)
                  • perhaps I should have said challenging the recent monopoly of the big clubs in terms of trophies and league positions (NT) -- f bloke, Monday, March 03, 03:25:35pm (host86-134-9-56.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.56)
              • Never heard big city/provincial used to describe a club. Does that mean Orient or Barnet, being ‘big city clubs’ are superior to BHA? Not long ago so many get annoyed by fawning over the likes of forest/villa/Leeds due to their history and air of superiority, now we are apparently superior as we played 1 European final (BHA played in Europe more recent than us) and from London, just weird, who cares, BHA/B.mouth/FFC are 3 well run clubs punching above their weight with great style. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, March 03, 03:53:03pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
                • That is the point I was trying to make. Those facts don't mean bigger or better. But it is also weird to say all 3 of us are punching above our weight whilst having a pop at someone having an opinion of our relative weight to each other. (NT) -- The Drobe, Monday, March 03, 04:25:11pm (host86-149-115-76.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.115.76)
                  • Exactly. Thanks. You can't refer to "bigger clubs" in a post and then criticise other people for discussing the relative size of clubs. Double-standards. (NT) -- k, Tuesday, March 04, 01:41:52pm (host81-133-110-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.133.110.86)
                    • Personally think double standards also exist where people complain about the self entitlement and importance of fans of eg the big 6 and their patronising attitude to all other clubs - and then do the same to the clubs they consider below them in some sort of artificially contrived pecking order. (NT) -- f bloke, Tuesday, March 04, 01:53:50pm (host86-134-9-56.range86-134.btcentralplus.com/86.134.9.56)

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• However it's only very recently in our history we made it to the premier league, and only due to huge amounts of money being ploughed in by successive owners. We're in London but not really a 'big city' club, as for almost all of our history we've been unfashionable (= been in the lower divisions so anyone who just wanted to see wins went elsewhere) and only really appealed to locals. (NT) -- .., Monday, March 03, 02:50:58pm (host31-53-153-6.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.153.6)
  • Football existed before the poxy Premier League. (NT) -- HemelRog, Monday, March 03, 06:04:26pm (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
  • It's the Premier League that's recent! Apart from our 9 pre-Premier League seasons in the top division (which you sound like you don't know about) , we were mainly in the second tier rather than leagues lower -- the dozen years ending in 1996 being the exception. (NT) -- b+w g., Monday, March 03, 07:59:06pm (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)

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• If I wasn't clear, it's recent that we got to the Premier League, as that is now the top division, as last time was over 30 years before when it was the First Division, and we struggled there for some time before the inevitable. (NT) -- .., Monday, March 03, 08:38:48pm (host31-53-153-6.range31-53.btcentralplus.com/31.53.153.6)