You could argue that the way we play football now, more possession and control and playing on the front foot, there'd be less to do for someone like palhinha. In the same way he doesn't have much to do for Portugal or bayern as they don't need a cleaner upper. On that basis, berge suits our current style more. I prefer berge with the ball, I preferred palhinha as a scoring threat. -- SW6.doc

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Date Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 09:15:51pm
Author: Jim © (The Devon IP)
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Subject: You could argue that the way we play football now, more possession and control and playing on the front foot, there'd be less to do for someone like palhinha. In the same way he doesn't have much to do for Portugal or bayern as they don't need a cleaner upper. On that basis, berge suits our current style more. I prefer berge with the ball, I preferred palhinha as a scoring threat.
In reply to: Henry1879 's message, "Pal tried more things, scored goals, long range, headers, all sorts. Had a win at all costs, sheer will &desire others fed off, covered ground far better than Berge. Whoscord has berge our 9th best player this season, 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 MOM. Matic was a fine player, but now he’s an immobile DM in the French league. Berge is quality, but same way Muniz wasn’t ever League1 as some claimed, Berge hasn’t approached what pal did for us." on Tuesday, March 04, 08:17:42pm

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Not sure I agree, feel we are at our best now when we let teams have the ball, we struggle when teams sit deep and we play with more possession, we put in more crosses and lots of long balls and thrive with chaos and end to end, like CFC away. Berge is a v.good prem DM, pal was above that, pal nailed on in our best prem XI, surely people don’t put berge in that yet. (NT) -- Henry1879, Tuesday, March 04, 09:26:28pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
Completely agree. It's stark if you compare Berge this year vs Pal last. Berge is progressing the ball 195 yards per 90 to Pal's 178, with a league-leading 89% long-ball completion rate (Pal 62%), O.92 key passes/90 to Pal's 0.43, 4.85 passes into the final 1/3rd vs 3.20. He's carrying the ball 67.5 yards/90 vs 35, miscontrolling 0.18 vs 0.97, and winning 67% of aerials vs 56%. Pal leads in volume of tackles (3.43 per 90 at 68% success vs 1.17 at 70%) & shots (1.5 per 90 to 0.12) (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, March 04, 10:08:16pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
- All of this is consistent with their career numbers, except shots (where Berge's been better overall) and carries (where Berge's been even better). Pal's destroyer capabilities cannot be denied. But we're clearly better without him than with him, including defensively. Last season we conceded 1.61 goals per game; this it's 1.33, and that's with a drop-off from Leno (Andersen replacing Tosin's been a bit of a wash). We're doing better with more control of the ball and Berge's a big part of that. (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, March 04, 10:13:49pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  - You have to take formation into it though. We didn’t need to play with two dms when palhinha played, and we never played with two dms and 5 at the back when he was with us either. (NT) -- Hg, Tuesday, March 04, 10:42:03pm (cpc141402-brnt4-2-0-cust971.4-2.cable.virginm.net/86.9.199.204)
    - I think, beyond the occasional five at the back, the system that we've played this year have been very similar to last. For about 50% of last year we played with two inside forwards (Cairney and Andreas) and this year we've done the same (ESR and Andreas). Then we played the more traditional 4231 with Lukic/Reed pairing Pal, just like we do now with Berge and Lukic. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, March 05, 12:17:34am (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
    - I think goals scored are on a par and I think goals conceded are less this season, so the 'two DMs' isn't really having a negative effect. (NT) -- Jim© The Devon IP, Wednesday, March 05, 01:51:28pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
      - That's correct. We're scoring at a slightly better rate than last year. But defensively we've been seriously improved in fact and "expectation" (i.e. but for under-performance by Leno, we'd have an even better defensive record). But the "two DMs" is a misnomer. We've played with a sole DM quite a bit, whenever only one of Berge/Lukic has played, but when they've played together, Lukic has performed the same role he did with Pal last season, and Reed did the season prior (i.e. more box-to-box). (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, March 05, 02:55:01pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
- Wow very interesting. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, March 05, 08:03:42am (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)

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