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Date Posted: Sunday, March 09, 11:19:25am
Author: Mickey
Author Host/IP: 82-132-222-238.dab.02.net / 82.132.222.238
Subject: Europe …..do you really want it ?

For me I’d certainly take nothing less than Europa League , but would you trust the Club to equip the Squad sufficiently well quality -wise , so as to not lessen our PL progression . I’ve always maintained we are nowhere near deep enough to compete on both fronts with the schedule it would bring . Look at their bench options yesterday compared to ours , accepting our injuries played a part . I asked a few weeks ago how much longer we were going to rely on Reed and TC to see out games ; you had an example yesterday of late recklessness from one of them , ‘unlucky ‘ as it may have been . We are def ‘growing’ the quality of the squad , but imho we are still on the trajectory of putting one together capable of introducing more challenges than improving top half finishes . As for Brighton , they have more ‘strings to their bow ‘ than us , in how they play , nor just in quality . Are we really going to outperform at least 2 Teams currently above us , and if so what and how to recruit this summer ? Finally it’s somewhat sickening a Team like Forest look more amd more nailed on for a CL place with a game plan based on low/mid block , low possession and crucially very few mistakes . You just know that their Owner will deliver them the squad required for next season , by hook or by crook .

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Why did BHA just spent 200+ in the summer and have all these options, because they brought young players, developed them then sold for profit. The khans put far more in financially to FFC than Bloom has at BHA, if we keep signing players like Anderson, cast, Berge, good solid, but won’t make profit, prem players then we won’t be looking up much. The real successful transfer market clubs (palace/BHA/ even forest now) are less manger led and more centralised to a long term strategy. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, March 09, 11:38:13am (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
- a different 'model' at other Clubs. FFC with will be run for the benefit of the owners remit. STAY in the PL while (now) generating the lions share of the Revenue oursellves. Which conflicts with having extra UEFA games with means the PIER wont be operational for those days. We will always sign older/proven players why? the HOF is TK and he lacks the know of other real HOFs to unearth GEMS. That said Silva will want progress and to keep him they will allow all his profits to flow back to him. (NT) -- FST loyalist, Sunday, March 09, 11:48:51am (NoHost/104.236.201.30)
- Again I asked recently where are our younger gems plucked from the Championship or similar leagues ? It’s easier to source proven PL players , but I can’t imagine Silva would reject eg a Wharton, Lacroix or Munoz type . If we are going to lessen Silva’s input , then we Have to have those in place who can spot such talent ……. (NT) -- Mickey, Sunday, March 09, 11:51:52am (82-132-222-238.dab.02.net/82.132.222.238)
  - It does appear to be a scouting issue. We very rarely unearth a top level gem and even when we invest in younger players like Muniz and ESR they're mediocre at best. We've had a few championship standouts like Sess and Fabio but the step up proved too much. (NT) -- Samuel, Sunday, March 09, 12:03:07pm (NoHost/81.78.226.36)
    - Actions speack louder than words AND resigning of TC and Wills shows the dircetion of travel.............. I'll defend the buying of Older proven players uptil now ASS we were still rebuilding a PL side after yo-yoing. But this summer could show us what is the longer term plan. ASS we will by june have 5 spaces in our sqaud to fill. Will it be same again? or these younger talents? time will tell? we arent unhappy... the ARROW still points UPwards. I fear for the time TK gets full control though (NT) -- Danagerous Dan, Sunday, March 09, 12:15:32pm (NoHost/90.243.203.66)
    - Guardian cryptic crosswords.Smells a bit fishy to me. (NT) -- HemelRog, Sunday, March 09, 01:18:38pm (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
    - Muniz is not mediocre . I have said it before and I ‘ll say it again . He is deliberately playing half cocked to get a huge sign on deal with his next club . And this would / could not be happening without collusion at the highest levels . (NT) -- alanos, Monday, March 10, 03:15:18am (82-132-215-158.dab.02.net/82.132.215.158)
  - I agree, but this isn’t scouting issue, BHA do stats more than anyone, everyone knows about almost everyone now, it’s a question of is our strategy correct. We have signed, Robbo, tosin, palhina, tete, all absolute gems, but we moved away from that a bit, maybe the relegation has scarred us, but we had it right, last window we reverted to safety first. Minor tweaks which are easily changed though, let’s not forget we are in a great place to kick on with good signings this summer. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, March 09, 12:53:55pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
The weakest aspect is that, Josh King apart, there are no players in the academy who look to be EPL quality. Certainly not now or any time soon. Most EPL clubs seem to have several. We send ours out on loan and they don't do remotely well enough. I reckon we'd need four or five extra prem quality recruits to manage European football. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Sunday, March 09, 01:35:08pm (238.75.189.80.dyn.plus.net/80.189.75.238)
- Agree. In higher level European football we'd need 3+ readymade pros just to be able to compete on all fronts. And what do you do with that bigger squad if you drop out early? This season we've been hampered by the League Cup exit denying Sess, Cuenca, King, Godo (I.e. our young core) game. If we are to get into Europe, I'd be happier with the Conference League so that we can use that to blood in these guys + 2-3 other young players (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, March 09, 01:46:38pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
- Think that is a valid question, I suspect some of it lies again with PSR and how big teams are prioritising youth teams. Arsenal, Chelsea, city etc hoover up so much of the very best talent now, 10 years ago they weren’t as bothered as could buy themselves ready made players, now they see it as profit for PSR as well as adding to first team. Palace have a couple, but not like the days of Moses, Zaha, AWB, further evidence PSR is putting a moat up around the big teams. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, March 09, 03:29:18pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
You're correct that the difference is in the depth of squad. They've been in the Premier League since 2017/18! All this "we need to be like Brighton and sign young players" stuff ignores that until 20/21 their big signings were almost all in the 24-27 range. Then, once the platform was created they were able to go for the likes of Caicedo and move to the next level. We're 3 years in, where Brighton were in 19/20 when their biggest signing was Adam Webster (24). We're in the right place. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, March 09, 01:36:19pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
- Think that’s reasonable, similar with palace being far more established. For me that doesn’t change that I don’t feel Anderson & Berge were the right players, albeit undoubtedly good players for right now. Just hope this summer we grasp opportunities to take bit more of a risk with some and aim high with potential, rather than continue to play it safe. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, March 09, 03:37:26pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
No reason to believe there would be an appetite to use FFP room. I think, sadly, that Europe could be dangerous for us. I think Silva is key to our future (although yesterday wasn't his finest hour). If he went the same squad would be 6 places lower. (NT) -- WayneKerrins, Sunday, March 09, 02:55:48pm (pool-108-2-117-254.phlapa.fios.verizon.net/108.2.117.254)
- Agree PSR isn’t where we are at, move to being self sufficient and also spending on a stand has seen to that. Europe can be dangerous, but exciting and opportunity for revenue and attract higher calibre players, not sure many thought we were ready under Roy. Silva is v.good; but wages normally tell the story and we are about where we should be, BHA thought disaster when potter left, they’ve never looked back. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, March 09, 03:42:05pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
- Based on what?He is a perfect fit for us but far from faultless. (NT) -- InThe Bog For Th Penalty Rog, Sunday, March 09, 04:02:18pm (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
- I think there's a danger if we don't make Europe. I think we certainly lose Robinson in that case, and maybe even Marco. I'd like a modicum of Europe (I.e. conference league) just to show progression. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, March 09, 04:48:13pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  - Just explain why we would lose Robinson . He has 3 years left after this year so WHY would we ‘lose’ him ? (NT) -- alanos, Monday, March 10, 03:19:04am (82-132-215-158.dab.02.net/82.132.215.158)
    - Keep getting the counselling and keep taking the medication Al. (NT) -- FarFromMeRog, Monday, March 10, 09:48:11am (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
- Whilst I'd find the prospect of playing in Europe again very exciting, my head tells me that one look at the bench yesterday proves that Europe would be a risk. Also I don't agree with Henry's point that a season in Europe would definitely attract better players because at that stage we would simply be a pretty stable mid-table club with occasional forays across the water. How did winning the league and playing Champions League help Leicester? (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Sunday, March 09, 05:24:51pm (cpc95104-newt39-2-0-cust313.19-3.cable.virginm.net/77.101.245.58)
  - We have several out, yet our bench still had 5 with 100+ prem games & Cuenca who is class. We will have more revenue, more money = better players. Did you really ask, how did winning the league help Leicester?! What’s the point if when you win anything the first thought is, we are gonna struggle after this. Leic fans have had the best period in their history, you think they’d swap it for 10 seasons of finishing 10th? They’ve been mismanaged since, that’s the cause, not being in europe. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, March 09, 05:37:19pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
  - Yes I really did ask and you are answering a different question - this thread was predicated on risk not fans' preferences. You say 5 of the bench had 100+ games between them - well 3 of them had 100+ years between them too. In any case one suspension and three injured has to be expected at times in a busy season. One them, Willian, probably would not have been signed had it not been for injuries. You may not have read it, but I have already said Europe is an exciting prospect. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Sunday, March 09, 07:32:52pm (cpc95104-newt39-2-0-cust313.19-3.cable.virginm.net/77.101.245.58)
    - You asked, how did winning the league and playing champs league help Leicester. They achieved the ultimate goal, any issues have been caused by management since, not because of those achievements. We wouldn’t have the same squad, we’d have 10s of millions extra revenue guaranteed, meaning we could spend that on improving. We have had 2 proper European seasons ever, just think grab those opportunities with a weakened league, they don’t come often. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, March 09, 08:05:09pm (croy-26-b2-v4wan-167127-cust1611.vm24.cable.virginm.net/82.38.22.76)
Would never want conference league, the standard of teams in there is so poor (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, March 09, 03:50:29pm (NoHost/84.67.210.3)
- This is why I want conference league. Another opportunity alongside early stage League Cup and FA Cup to give our younger players - Benda, Cuenca, Sess, King, Godo, Muniz - and those without guaranteed starts - Diop, Castagne (if we sign an excellent RB), Adama (if we sign another great winger) - more playing time to develop and greater incentive to add more young players to the squad. Keep players happy and sharp, let young players develop. Would be great for us. (NT) -- eganonoa, Sunday, March 09, 04:52:00pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  - Yep spot on for me. (NT) -- HemelRog, Sunday, March 09, 06:16:34pm (5ec0f8a7.skybroadband.com/94.192.248.167)
We go pear shaped after an internatioal break, Can you imaging this squad of availables coping. Not desperate to scrape in just to please the fans for the buzz of it. Keep bloody saying we are not equipted but bloody near if are owners are bothered. (NT) -- CB, Sunday, March 09, 07:37:57pm (213-18-174-131.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.174.131)

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